Video review: “Who Are The Nephilim?” by James Chilton

The comments I posted to the video are as follows:

You quoted Gen 6:4 and commented, “note, they were there before the flood and after the flood” but the verse did not refer to the flood. In fact, the flood is not even mentioned for the very first time until v. 17—a full 13 vss. later.

The verse tells you to what it’s referring, Nephilim “were on earth in those days and also afterwards, when the sons of god went to the daughters of men and had children by them” so the question is when was that?

Well, v. 1 told us “When men began to increase in number on earth and daughters were born to them, the sons of God [you accidentally said, “men” here] saw that the daughters of men were beautiful and they married” so the question is when was that?

Well, it could have been as early as when Adam and Eve’s children, started having children.

Yet, the point is that Nephilim “were on earth in those days” which were “When men began to increase in number on earth and daughters were born to them” and then “also afterwards” so after “When men began to increase in number on earth and daughters were born to them” but that is all still pre-flood.

In other words, the sons of God married and mated with the daughters of men “When men began to increase in number on earth and daughters were born to them” and continued to do so until the flood.

You rightly note that “the LXX translates it ‘gigantus’ or ‘giants,’ that’s where the King James Version got that.” Just keep in mind that the ancient meaning of gigantus/giants is “earth born” and it is only the modern usage that has it as something to do with subjectively unusual height—such is not what Greek or English versions mean by gigantus/giants.

In passing, I thought to note that it seems to me that “some of these Angels fell and were in opposition to god” at the Genesis 6 affair timeline: that seems to record the very act which cased them to be considered fallen sinners.

Indeed, “some scholars believe that Yahweh gave instructions to utterly destroy entire cities of the Gentiles and Canaan land so that any remnant of the Nephilim could be destroyed” but “some scholar” are mistaken.

God told us various times why He gave such instructions and never said one single word about Nephilim—ever.

As for “a second incursion perhaps there were several of these incursions” well, I’m certain you know that no such thing in even hinted at in the Bible—also, Jude and Peter affirming that the Angels that sinned were incarcerated implies that just like the flood brought an end to Nephilim, so the flood marks the time of that incarceration (there is only a one time fall/sin of Angels in the Bible).

But what of Numbers 13:33 well, as you noted, “we have the report of the ten well, non-believing spies.” Indeed, they were unfaithful, disloyal, contradictory, embellishers who presented an “evil report” which contained five assertions about which the whole entire rest of the Bible knows nothing and whom God rebuked.

In short, there is the one and only post-flood reference to Nephilim and it is utterly unreliable. Thus, there is no such biblical thing as post-flood Nephilim—ever.

When you noted, “the Anakim were a race of giants” we’re back to the issue of what “giants” means and biblically, referring to them as such means that they were a race of Rephaim: which they were, they were a Rephaim subgroup. Regarding the modern usage of “giants” (which, again, the Bible is not doing) they were “tall” yet, subjective to the average Israelite male who in those days was 5.0-5.3 ft.

Also accurate is, “Goliath the Philistine was the descendant of Anakim.” Just in case, note that the Masoretic has him at just shy of 10 ft. but the earlier LXX, and earlier Dead Sea Scrolls, and the earlier Flavius Josephus have him at just shy of 7 ft.

Another just in case: the issue of height is irrelevant to Nephilim since only the 10 spies tell us that they were very, very tall: we have no reliable physical description of them at all.

As to “how can a spiritual being, an Angel, mixed with the human flesh” and that “we know there are cases where Angels are able to take on physical bodies”:

1) Be careful to not confuse and compound “spiritual” with “spirit” since here, you mean “spirit.”

2) That “we know…Angels are able to take on physical bodies” is nowhere stated in the Bible but is presupposed. In fact, it is putting the speculative cart before the biblical horse. Biblically, Angels are described as looking just like human males with no indication that they “take on” any bodies.

Thus, the implication is that they are, ontologically, embodied in a flesh of their own sort—and we were make “a little lower” than they. So there is no need think that “we may be entertaining Angels unaware” because they “take on physical bodies” but because such is how they naturally are.

Just a little correction about, “in Genesis 18 Abraham was visited by three Angels”: it was two Angels and YHVH Himself.

As for “at the resurrection people will neither marry or be given in marriage they will be like the Angels in heaven” indeed, Jesus was specifically talking about the loyal ones “in heaven” which is why those who did marry are considered sinners, having “left their first estate” as Jude put it.

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Atheist states, “Listen up everybody there it is NO GOD”

Hereinafter is a specific discussion I had with a bloke with whom I had another bit of discourse at video Stephen Hawking has found God!!!

A certain “D mo” commented:
“Listen up everybody there it is NO GOD…. god.” (ellipses in original).

I replied—Ken Ammi:
“Friend, since you claim to know that there is no God then please prove it.”

I made the point of asking because I have a list of some Atheists who positively affirm God’s non-existence (without evidence, of course).

D mo replied:
“Ken Ammi primitive evolving mythological ideas that live in books just like the Three Bears Goldilocks troll under the bridge Cinderella Peter Rabbit Bugs Bunny Daffy Duck Foghorn Leghorn Allah Jesus and 4000 others that’s listed in the encyclopedia of deities created by man. You prove that he exists and don’t use science watch the fantasies come out of your head and through your mouth.”

Ken Ammi:
“Friend, let us review: you made an assertion claiming to possess positive knowledge, I asked you to prove it, you cannot do so—but I realize that your worldview fails you thus, you can no longer honestly make that assertion.

‘primitive evolving mythological ideas’ this entails a logical genetic fallacy.

‘books just like the Three Bears Goldilocks troll under the bridge Cinderella Peter Rabbit Bugs Bunny Daffy Duck Foghorn Leghorn Allah Jesus…’ this entails a category error.

‘You prove that he exists and don’t use science’ this entails you seeking to sidestep the fact that you made an assertion that you cannot justify and also sets up a subjective criteria.

I would love to keep going round and round but as it is, due to time constraints, I only devote one day to replying to comments and it is taking me hours to do so.

I am wondering why any of this is an issue for you. If you really believe that we are temporarily and accidentally existing bio-organisms then what does it matter how we interpret random bio-chemical reactions within our brains?

If theism is a Darwinian survival mechanism then why do you seek to decrease the survivability of others?

How does your worldview provide you a premise for even holding others to standards of truth, ethics, logic or for you to condemn anything?”

D mo:
“Ken Ammi you’re quoting Carl Sagan I love the way you use science to try to prove fairy tales.”

Ken Ammi:
“I would love to keep going round and round but as it is, due to time constraints, I only devote one day to replying to comments and it is taking me hours to do so. I am wondering why any of this is an issue for you.

If you really believe that we are temporarily and accidentally existing bio-organisms then what does it matter how we interpret random bio-chemical reactions within our brains? If theism is a Darwinian survival mechanism then why do you seek to decrease the survivability of others?

How does your worldview provide you a premise for even holding others to standards of truth, ethics, logic or for you to condemn anything?”

D mo:
“Ken Ammi primitive evolving ideas that exist and books. Dmo out……..” (ellipses in original).

Ken Ammi:
“Well friend, at last we can agree that yours are primitive evolving ideas and that you are out of them.”

And indeed, he was “out” of replies and he/she and/or it never did so again.

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On Enrico Morano’s “New Research on Mani’s Book of Giants”

In his paper, “New Research on Mani’s Book of Giants,” Enrico Morano, PhD, sought to, “try to give the fragments in a sort of ‘sequences’, which may reflect the original development of the ‘plot.’”

The book in question is aka “on account of/for/at request of the Parthians” or “a writing for the Parthians” due, or so it seems (as per an email to Morano from Pavel Lurje), “the Coptic rendering ‘writing on account of/for the Parthians’ in the place of ‘Book of Giants’ could be just a result of confusion of two meanings of Iranian pahlaw(ān) 1. ‘Parthia(n)’ and 2. ‘hero, athlete’, which could suit the meaning ‘giant.’”

Of course, that only begs the question of what is the meaning of “giant” or rather, what was the contextual meaning back then since the English word giant is not only vague, generic, and subjective but multi-use. The modern usage pertains to unusual height but such was not, for example, the meaning it carries when English Bibles are following the LXX/Septuagint in rendering (not even translating) Nephilim as gigantes/gigantos (or gigas and note that the LXX also renders Rephaim and also gibborim as such).

In any case, Morano notes, “There follows a list of the sequences proposed, a complete concordance of the published fragments, and the description of some fragments, still un- published, which may belong to the Book of Giants.”

He breaks these up into sequences.

We begin with, “Rebellion in the watchpost of the Rex Honoris. 200 demons (= watchers) fall to earth. Their descent from heaven stirs up the other heavenly beings. They descend because of the beauty of the women they saw there, and they reveal forbid den arts and heavenly mysteries.”

Rex Honoris refers to “one of the 5 sons of the Living Spirit. In Mani’s Book of Giants a transposition of the Jewish God (in Coptic and Sogdian texts respectively)” with this Living Spirit being “one of the Manichaean gods of the ‘second creation.’”

That the “Rebellion” was specifically of “200 demons (= watchers)” reflects that which 1 Enoch/Ethiopic Enoch notes since it offers the specific number “200,” the Bible does not specify any such number.

Now, 1 Enoch does not have what is here “200 demons (= watchers)” since it would have demons (which it terms “unclean spirits”) not as Watchers (a Second Temple Era manner whereby to refer to Angles) but as the spirits of dead Nephilim—something else that the Bible does not specify, for my Bible based identification of demons, see my article “Demons Ex Machina: What Are Demons?

That this led to that they “fall to earth…descent from heaven” due to “the beauty of the women” is ultimately based on Genesis chap. 6 and it is 1 Enoch which asserts that “they reveal forbid den arts and heavenly mysteries.”

Now, one of the funniest moments in pseudepigraphic history is that 1 Enoch has God telling them, “You have been in heaven, but all the mysteries had not yet been revealed to you, and you knew worthless ones” (XVI:1).

Continuing, “Šahmīzād (one of the fallen watchers) begets two Giants sons: Sāhm (=Ohyah) and Pāt-Sām (=Narīmān or Ahyah); other demons and Yakṣas beget the rest of the Giants.”

My first question, again, is what is meant by Giants, from what word was it rendered as such, etc. This is especially the case since reference was made to “Giants…and…other demons” which, again, might be 1 Enoch influenced.

Šahmīzād is “one of the leaders of the Watchers” and apparently, so was Yakṣas.

Moreover, “Giants’ deeds. First warnings from Heaven. The Giant Māhawai, son of one of the Watchers who descended to earth, hears (possibly in a dream) a cautioning voice while flying along at sunrise and is guided to safety by Enoch’s voice, who warns him to descend before the sun sets; his wings are on fire. Back to earth, he hears again the heavenly voice, which leads him to Enoch. Sāhm and Māhawai have a contest, and someone reassures Māhawai that he will be protected from Sāhm.”

If “in a dream” then that would correlate to the Dead Sea Scrolls’ Book of Giants—in chapter, “Cherubim, Seraphim, Satan, Angels and the Nephilim in the Books of Enoch” of my book, “In Consideration of the Book(s) of Enoch” I review the parallels between the Dead Sea Scrolls’ Book of Giants and 1 Enoch.

Did you note that “The Giant Māhawai” was “flying along” on “wings”? Perhaps it was just a dream since there is no indication that any results of unions between Watchers and humans led to winged offspring: particularly since Watchers and humans have some things in common including that neither have wings: that Angles have wings is commonly believed but is not biblical.

Yet, that he “flying along at sunrise” but that “his wings are on fire” may be influenced by the myth of Icarus—he flew too close to the Sun on artificial wings made of wax that the Sun melted.

Furthermore, “The Giants begin robbing wives and killing one another and other creatures. Sāhm has a dream in which a tablet was thrown in the water. It seems to have borne three signs foreshadowing anguish, escape and destruction. Narīmān has a dream in which he sees a garden full of trees in rows. Enoch is asked to interpret the dream: the trees are the Watchers and the Giants.”

This then, does touch upon the Dead Sea Scrolls’ reference to prophetic warnings within dreams.

Continuing, “The 4 Archangels (?) bring the earth’s complaint before the Rex Honor- is (=Yima?) and honour him. Enoch acts as mediator. The demons assemble fearful before him and ask for mercy. Apparently they promise to reform their ways.”

Biblically, only Michael is referred to as Archangel—and “Arch” may imply there can be only one. Yet, Mani has “The 4 Archangels: Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, Uriel” with Raphael and Uriel not being biblical Angels—see my, “Hollywood theology in Ryan Reynolds ‘The Voices’ movie.”

“Rex Honor” means something like Honored King or King of Honor.

Moreover, “Enoch (?) warns the demons that they will be taken through the fire to face eternal damnation and describes how the righteous will fly over the fire of damnation and rejoice.”

Again, here Watchers, and maybe also the Giants, are demons.

Furthermore, “Enoch’s message to the demons. Enoch gives a message to the demons and their children, telling them that they will have no peace, and that they will see the destruction of their children. They will rule for 120 years. Then he predicts an era of earthly fruitfulness.”

The timespan surely plays off of Genesis 6:3, “the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years” and the “era of earthly fruitfulness” would be post-flood—since Giants (Nephilim) did not make it past the flood, nor did they return: not biblically and not 1 Enochically.

Continuing, “Enoch’s messages to demons and giants. Sāhm’s dream. Māhawai (?) comes with two stone tablets. He has brought them in order to share the contents of one tablet, pertaining to the demons, with the giants. Šahmīzād tells him to read the writing by Enoch. Sāhm exhorts the other giants to cheer up and to eat, but they are too sorrowful to eat and fall asleep instead. Sāhm has a dream: he came above in the sky, and sees the water of the earth consumed with heat and a demon of wrath comes out of the water. He then sees the heavenly rulers.”

Here a categorical distinction is made between “demons and giants.”

The dream seems to predict the flood.

Moreover, “Sāhm and Narīmān prepare to fight. Someone (Enoch?) tells how he saw some (the Giants?) who were weeping and lamenting and many others who were sinful rulers.”

Morano notes, “At this point one could insert a recently published Uigur text, in which Sāhm kneels down and calls upon the Sun God, imploring mercy for his sins.”

Furthermore, “The demons capture some ‘heavenly helpers’. As a result, the Angels descend from heaven, terrifying the two hundreds demons, who take human form and hide among human beings. The Angels separate them and set a watch over them; then they separate the giants from the demons and lead them in thirty-two distant towns prepared for them by the Living Spirit. These people invented arts and crafts. Harsh fight between the 4 Angels and the 200 demons. Many are killed, among them hundreds of thousands of Righteous, because of fire, naphta and brimstone used by the Angels in the battle. The Angels protect Enoch. Electae and Auditrices are ravished and other beautiful women are forcibly married. The battle goes on. Atnabīš fights strongly and three giants are killed. An Angel, called ‘Great Angel’, ‘royal Messenger of the Gods’, kills and destroys.”

Now, we have Watchers, who are Angels but are called demons, who “take human form and hide among human beings” yet, biblically, Angels look just like human males already, ontologically, and we were made “a little lower” than they.

Cool, “These people” were, like, scrapbooking and stuff—I jest.

So 4 Angels take on 200 demons (other Angels, Watchers) and one of the battle’s byproducts is that “hundreds of thousands of Righteous” humans, apparently, perhaps the “These people,” die.

In Spanish, nafta refers to gas, as in gasoline, so I would imagine that naphta refers to a combustible, perhaps a liquid one.

Electae and Auditrices are mentioned as if out of nowhere and Morano does not comment upon them.

The only other thing noted by Morano is that one sequence contains, “Doctrinal text on the 5 elements” and another, the last one, “Exegetic text on the Hearers.”

He then has a section on “Texts of uncertain position” about which he comments thusly, “Text U (Parthian): in this text three kings and heroes of the Zoroastrian period are mentioned. Mani must have identified the heroic period with that of the antedeluvian patriarchs. If this fragments belongs to the Book of Giants, it should perhaps be placed at the beginning, in a kind of introduction to the Manichaean history of origins.”

What caught my eye was the reference to “the Manichaean history of origins.” Now, the original, traditional, and majority view on the sons of God of Genesis 6:2 and 4 was the Angel view—as I chronicled in my book On the Genesis 6 Affair’s Sons of God: Angels or Not? A survey of early Jewish and Christian commentaries including notes on giants and the Nephilim.

One turning point, in a manner of speaking, in moving away from that view and towards the Sethite view was the hugely influential Augustine of Hippo—who wrote for such a long period of time that he visited and revisited the topic and ends up taking a nuanced view.

It seems to me that the reason that he opted for a view unlike the normative Angels view was because he had been a Manichaean, the Gnostic sect named after Mani, and when he converted to Christianity, he sought to divest himself of any and all traces of Manichaeanism. Thus,

if Mani taught the Angel view, Augustine would reject it.

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Video review: “Giants, Nephilim – Where They Came From?”

I made the following remarks to this video’s comments section. The video is by a certain “Perry Church of Christ” but I do not know which one since they offer no contact info—see the end of the comments for a tidbit.

May I urge you to re-research this issues since when it comes to Nephilology, it is very easy to come to faulty conclusions based on simple errors in one’s premises.

Now, when you asked, “let me ask you before we start do you believe in giants that they existed?” the answer should have been “what do you mean by the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage, and undefined English word ‘giants’” since the ancient meaning is not the same as the modern usage, people us it in different ways, and when used in English Bibles it does not imply anything about subjectively unusual height.

You noted, “Josephus actually talks
about the Goliath” and he is, along with the LXX and Dead Sea Scrolls tell us that he was just shy of 7 ft. The latter Masoretic is what has him as just shy of 10 ft.

You noted, “the bones even still being around that people went looked at in Josephus’ day” but what bones? We don’t know if they found dinosaur, whale, pachyderm, etc. bones and since they were not expert anatomists, they just thought they were human (or humanoid).

You noted, “there is a guy six fingers six toes and he is of the giant family” but biblically “giant family” means “Rephaim family” indeed, he was a Repha.

You need to be more specific when stating, “they spy out the land and the inhabitants why is it that they’re a little bit scared because there’s we’re like grasshoppers in their sight that’s one of the paths we’ll read in numbers.” The issue is that “they” refers to 12 spies but 10 of them—the unfaithful, disloyal, contradictory, embellishers—are the ones who made that mere assertion which is not backed by even one single other verse and you didn’t note that you’re actually relying on an “evil report” by the 10 whom God rebuked for the major premise of your teaching: why would you believe some of the least reliable guys in the whole Bible—especially when they also contradict Moses, Caleb, Joshua, God, and the rest of the Bible?

You said, “the promised land that they’re going to take which is Canaan happens to be full of what type of people big people” which, again, means you believe an “evil report”: some of those peoples were “big” (which is as subjective a word as “giants”) but that’s subjective to the average Israelite male who in those days was 5.0-5.3 ft.

You say Nimrod “was a killer of men” but what makes you think so?

When you say “guess where what line” and I’m unsure if you said, “the defile them” or “the Nephilim” “and the refine that’s the two kind of giant classes” but you need to understand that some English Bibles render (don’t even translate) both “Nephilim” and “Rephaim” as “giants” so when you say “two kind of giant classes” you biblically mean “Nephilim and Rephaim classes” neither of which implies anything about height and they have nothing to do with each other: you only think they do because you believe an “evil report” and not even that report states that outright, it only asserted that the Anakim subgroup of Rephaim were related to Nephilim (which is biblically impossible, of course).

You said you “kind of sometimes struggle like God is commanding, ‘I want you to kill what men women children’…God wanted this group of Canaanites which includes these Nephilim” and I am thankful that you, at least, noted, “at least a possibility of that’s the reason why.” The fact is that God told us various times why He commanded such things and never said one single word about Nephilim nor about relation to them so no, it did not includes Nephilim.

As you noted from 2 Peter (something that is reiterated a handful of times in the Bible), God, “spare the ancient world but saved Noah for the eight people” but you have post-flood Nephilim so did they survive the flood? If so then you contradict the Bible. Did they (somehow) return? If so then you are inserting an invented tall tale into the Bible since it does not even hint about any such thing.

You mention Og but only because you think Nephilim and Rephaim are related but they are not. Also, because you think that Nephilim were very tall so anyone who was very tall must be related to them but you only think Nephilim were very tall due to one single verse in the “evil report”—also, we are not told Og’s height (not that his height is relevant).

So, when you assert, “Nephilim is kind of the big term there’s a secondary category of these giants that the Rephaim” there’s no biblical support for that and is it utterly inaccurate: Nephilim were strictly pre-flood hybrids, Rephaim were strictly post-flood humans.

Back to “Numbers 13:33 is where they go in and spy out the land” “they” being the 12, “they gave the children and all the people who we saw in it are
men of great stature there we saw the giants the descendants of Anak came from the giants and we were like grasshoppers” “they” being the utterly unreliable 10. Note that 1) post-flood Nephilim, 2) that Anakim were related to them, and 3) that Nephilim were very tall are exclusively asserted within the “evil report” without one other single verse to back any of that.

But you conclude, “yes there were giants yes they were huge…Caleb doesn’t deny yeah they’re big dudes but you know what nevertheless let’s go we can do this no fear even though they’re ginormous people” but you’re basing that on the “evil report” and you missed that the original report in Num 13 has the inhabitants of the land as being “strong” and even the 10 initially refer to them as being “stronger” than the Israelites but they embellish the “evil report” by suddenly inventing the assertion that all of the various people groups that where mentioned in the original report (which did not list Nephilim, by the way) were “of great stature” which is another thing not back by any other single verse.

You refer to Amos telling us about that the Amorites were strong as oaks and tall as cedars but why take him telling us that they were big and strong as some sort of implication of a one-to-one ratio based mathematical comparison?

Yes, “Book of Enoch goes into detail which and it’s confirmed Enoch’s around like 200 BC” which is MILLENNIA after the Torah was written and it also contradicts the Bible, a lot, and has Nephilim being MILES tall which is great folklore but poor reality.

You note, “the Nephilim name means fallen ones, the Rephaim…has something to do with it’s all wrapped up in that same distorted minds sinful minds there might be some even playing of what the these angels taught men” which I can hardly understand but again, those are two utterly different people groups.

If I may ask, did the flood have anything to do with Nephilim? You imply that it did in the teaching but I just want to ensure.

Thank you for hearing (or, reading) me out and be assured that my motivation is sharpening iron with iron.

That was the end of the comment. Now, since I wanted to reach out to them—in a more personal format than a YT comment—I search for and then emailed the “Perry Church of Christ” whence I thought the video came and received this reply from the “Minister”:
Friend, before you start blasting someone, I suggest you know who your talking too. May the peace of God rest on you at this time. You’ve got the wrong website and YouTube user. Once you dive into the the speculation of these subjects, which you clearly want to argue, I believe the book of Jude gives some insight to you’re query. But if your the man that wants to argue, did Adam have a belly button and about giants, I will defer you to the apostle Paul [along with a quote of 1 Corinthians 15:1–5]…Thanks and have blessed day in the Lord Jesus Christ!!

I replied:
I pray I find you well.
I’m unsure why your reply is so emotive and you refer to “blasting”: perhaps you’re projecting.
In any case, you’ll note that I began with “Is this the same Perry Church that…” so as to know who I was talking to.
May the peace of God rest on you at this time as well.

The reply was:
My apologies, It seems since Covid a lot of preachers, me included did videos, and it opened the door up for folks to super criticize preachers for every single syllable we speak.

And we left it at my final reply:
I appreciate that.
Some appreciate sharpening iron with iron and this was about major errors.
But, I’ve come to find that when we seek to sharpen iron with iron—someone tends to get cut.

I can empathize with internet sleuths going about to “super criticize preachers for every single syllable we speak” but on the other hand, perhaps that will motivate such preachers to tighten their game—capiche?

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UFO disclosure at last!!! Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

Well, “UFO disclosure at last!!!” was what some expected and/or hoped for but a Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena is what we got and herein is what it reveled.

Firstly, note the change from UFO to UAP which denotes moving from referring to Unidentified Flying Objects to Unidentified Aerial Phenomena. Clearly, UAP allows for a fuller scope of investigation.

Both refer to and/or admit dealing with (at least initially) Unidentified this or that and the this or that are specifically Flying in the one case but Aerial in the other. Flying implies some or another level of volition, mindful purposefulness, etc. since it implies traversing the sky from point A to point B.

Yet, there could be plenty of UFOs in the sky that are not flying but could be, say, floating, being blown by wind, could be lights, etc. Thus, Aerial merely informs us that its “up in the sky! It’s a bird! It’s a plane! It’s…” who knows what?

Likewise, Object implies something, something that is actually and really, and physically present, something along nuts and bolts, something tangible. Conversely, Phenomena could be something like clouds, lights, ball lightning, the infamous swamp gas, etc.

Thus, “Airborne objects not immediately identifiable. The acronym UAP represents the broadest category of airborne objects reviewed for analysis” and “There are probably multiple types of UAP.”

Unidentified Aerial Phenomena is more general and all-encompassing—which may also have the effect of watering things down (this is somewhat like moving from global warming to climate change).

The Office Of The Director Of National Intelligence released an unclassified report on 25 June 2021 AD titled, Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena.
Its Scope includes, “to submit an intelligence assessment of the threat posed by unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) and the progress the Department of Defense Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force (UAPTF) has made in understanding this threat” note that they are identifying the aerial phenomena as a “threat.”

Yet, that is followed directly with that “This report provides an overview for policymakers of the challenges associated with characterizing the potential threat.”

Since this is Preliminary, it is meant to provide “means to develop relevant processes, policies, technologies, and training for the U.S. military and other U.S. Government (USG) personnel if and when they encounter UAP, so as to enhance the Intelligence Community’s (IC) ability to understand the threat”—it is noted, “No standardized reporting mechanism existed until the Navy established one in March 2019. The Air Force subsequently adopted that mechanism in November 2020.” Also, we are told that there was a “a six-month pilot program in November 2020 to collect” such data.

One notable thing on that the report is “limited primarily to U.S. Government reporting of incidents occurring from November 2004 to March 2021.”

The Assumptions include that “Various forms of sensors that register UAP generally operate correctly and capture enough real data to allow initial assessments, but some UAP may be attributable to sensor anomalies” which is fair enough since anyone dealing with various forms of sensors, etc., knows about the key necessity of calibration.

It is specially noted, “The sensors mounted on U.S. military platforms are typically designed to fulfill specific missions. As a result, those sensors are not generally suited for identifying UAP.”

It is noted, “The limited amount of high-quality reporting on unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) hampers our ability to draw firm conclusions about the nature or intent of UAP.”

It is noted that those phenomena reported “between 2004 and 2021…probably do represent physical objects.”

Additionally, “In a limited number of incidents, UAP reportedly appeared to exhibit unusual flight characteristics. These observations could be the result of sensor errors, spoofing, or observer misperception and require additional rigorous analysis.”
Expectations are, “Our analysis of the data supports the construct that if and when individual UAP incidents are resolved they will fall into one of five potential explanatory categories: airborne clutter, natural atmospheric phenomena, USG or U.S. industry developmental programs, foreign adversary systems, and a catchall ‘other’ bin.”

The “USG or U.S. industry developmental programs” category includes that these “could be attributable to developments and classified programs by U.S. entities” and no, this does not mean that military personnel in restricted flight zones who witness such Phenomena would be made aware that tests are being run within tests or training within training so that part of the experiment would be how they react, what they describe, what is made of it, etc.

Regardless, “UAP clearly pose a safety of flight issue and may pose a challenge to U.S. national security…if they are foreign adversary collection platforms or provide evidence a potential adversary has developed either a breakthrough or disruptive technology.”

A subsection notes, “Available Reporting Largely Inconclusive” so that “Limited Data Leaves Most UAP Unexplained” which is also due to “inconsistency in reporting.”

Yet, “the UAPTF focused on reports that involved UAP largely witnessed firsthand by military aviators and that were collected from systems we considered to be reliable.”

This led to the ability “to identify one reported UAP with high confidence….a large, deflating balloon.”

“144 reports originated from USG sources” with “80 reports involved observation with multiple sensors.”

It is noted “Most reports described UAP as objects that interrupted pre-planned training or other military activity.”

This is interesting since UFOs/UAPs have a long history of interacting with nuclear weapons, being around restricted air space, etc. so that the aliens are either peaceniks or earthly governments are keeping tabs on each other, it is also specified, “UAP sightings also tended to cluster around U.S. training and testing grounds.”
Another subsection is about “UAP Collection Challenges” covering things such as “Sociocultural stigmas and sensor limitations…technical challenges…radar clutter…disparagement associated with observing UAP, reporting it, or attempting to discuss it.”

One interesting point is that “the effects of these stigmas have lessened as senior members of the scientific, policy, military, and intelligence communities engage on the topic seriously in public, reputational risk may keep many observers silent, complicating scientific pursuit of the topic.”

I will add the effect of the media in general, New Age style UFOlogists—apparently, UAVologists now—and Hollywood since it used to be that you were nuts if you believed in little green men but now you are nuts if you deny them.

I will also add Atheistic evolution and the fact that some astrobiologists/exobiologists have entire careers of essentially doing nothing. Thus, they tell us that the universe is so very vast and since life was accidented into being on Earth then it could have been accidented into being elsewhere: long ago, in a galaxy far, far away, etc.

It is noted that “Some Potential Patterns Do Emerge” which include, “there was wide variability in the reports and the dataset is currently too limited” yet, there is “some clustering of UAP observations regarding shape, size, and, particularly, propulsion.”

The issue of “UAP sightings…cluster[ed] around U.S. training and testing grounds” is said to touch upon “a collection bias as a result of focused attention, greater numbers of latest-generation sensors operating in those areas, unit expectations, and guidance to report anomalies.”

Also, “a Handful of UAP Appear to Demonstrate Advanced Technology” specifically, “18 incidents” included, “unusual UAP movement patterns or flight characteristics” which is not surprising given the surge of drone tech since when you remove a human pilot from within a craft you have more maneuverability leeway since you no longer have to be concerned with the ill effects related to certain speed and movement related effects on the human body.

Specified is that “Some UAP appeared to remain stationary in winds aloft, move against the wind, maneuver abruptly, or move at considerable speed, without discernable means of propulsion.”

Overall, “UAP PROBABLY LACK A SINGLE EXPLANATION” since, again, this pertains to Phenomena in general. Yet, also due to “an array of aerial behaviors, reinforcing the possibility there are multiple types of UAP requiring different explanations.”

Overall, “The UAPTF intends to focus additional analysis on the small number of cases where a UAP appeared to display unusual flight characteristics or signature management.”

Moreover, “UAPTF’s long-term goal is to widen the scope of its work to include…artificial intelligence/machine learning algorithms.”

And so, this was a report about reporting—about reporting procedures—and not about results. This merely begins a new wave of reports and who knows what will come of it or when anything will come of it.

Oh, and no, nothing was said about aliens.

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Discussion on “How did Abel find a wife?”

To the Quota site question, How did Abel find a wife?, Neil Hawkins replied:

Cain and Abel never existed. Their story is purely metaphorical and is based on the Sumer Akkadian legend of Enten and Emesh, who argued about who was the most important god in farming.
Enten brought forth the ewe to give birth to the lamb, the goat to give birth to the kid, the cow to give birth to calf etc etc . He was like a shepherd god.
Emesh brought forth the trees for their fruit, the grasses to produce grain, and to cause good harvests and stables and granaries to be filled high etc etc.
Their story is a combination of creation myth and the start of domesticating animals and agriculture.
The great god Enlil had to intervene and act as referee and state that both agriculture/farmer gods were as important as each other. So, the “brothers” stopped arguing and endeavoured to cooperate.
It’s a very different ending to the biblical tale of Abel, the personification of shepherds being murdered by Cain, the personification of agriculture.
Nearly all the stories in Genesis are based on ancient Sumerian and Akkadian mythology.

I, Ken Ammi, replied:

Why stop at that “Their story is purely metaphorical and is based on the Sumer Akkadian legend” and “Nearly all the stories in Genesis are based on ancient Sumerian and Akkadian mythology” rather than that both are based on what was then commonly known and shared history?

Neil Hawkins:

The point is, it’s exaggerated history. Nearly all myth is based on true events. A prime example is the Tower of Babel. Anyone with an ounce of sense knows it’s a metaphorical story, but it is based on the collapse of the great ziggurat of Eridu during its construction.
Cain and Abel aren’t real people. But, their story of agriculture and domesticating animals is based on the Sumerian myth, which in turn, could be based on a group of Neolithic settlers in Mesopotamia who argued about which form of farming is more important.
Yes, it’s a theory, but it’s a very plausible theory.

Ken Ammi:

I see. I’d caution against making positive affirmations such as “Cain and Abel never existed…Cain and Abel aren’t real people” since you may be called on it, to prove it.
So, we seem to agree on “both [or more] are based on what was then commonly known and shared history?”
FYI: “Anyone with an ounce of sense knows…” is not helpful.

Neil Hawkins:

Who are you, the Quora police?
I stand by what I say, anyone with an ounce of sense knows Cain and Abel are purely mythical. They are biblical characters, and as everyone in academia knows, the bible is a book of mythology, because it’s been proven as such. The bible is not a historical document.

But, back to Cain and Abel, they aren’t real. They are based on the Sumerian gods Enten and Emesh, who were the respective personifications of agriculture and shepherding. It’s possible that the Ubaid culture, which preceded the Sumerians in Mesopotamia, are the source of agricultural gods/persons, like Enten and Emesh, and of course Cain and Abel.
The biblical texts are typical of Middle Eastern mythology, where the person, or persons involved are an over exaggeration of a snippet of truth.

Ken Ammi:

I had noted, “I’d caution against making positive affirmations such as ‘Cain and Abel never existed…Cain and Abel aren’t real people’ since you may be called on it, to prove it.”
So now I am calling you on it: you made a positive affirmation and must prove it.
After that we can discuss your many, many hidden assumptions—since you tend to begin by jumping to merely asserted conclusions.

Neil Hawkins:

Oh you cautioned me, did you?! 😂😂
And now you’re calling me on it???!!! 😂
Well, well, well. It seems, Ken, that you are the self appointed Quora police after all!!
Now let me get this straight, Ken. You are demanding that I prove Cain and Abel, who are characters in a book, that has already been proven to be historically and scientifically unreliable? Are you sure this is the course of action that you wish to go?
I made a positive affirmation? Indeed I did, Ken!
Having studied the history behind the bible, I can say, unequivocally, that Cain and Abel are not and have never been real.
Let’s look at the history, shall we? You obviously know when the bible was written? Would you agree it was at the end of the Babylonian Exile and during Persian rule?
So, in historical and archaeological terms, 1,500 BCE to 1,300 BCE is not that long ago. I’m talking about the Old Testament now, because if I include the New Testament, the bible was completed in its current form 419–420 CE.
If we are to go back even further to the time of the Sumerians, then we get the origins of the stories contained in Genesis. That’s a historical fact. The evidence is overwhelming, and I don’t have to prove anything to you.

Ken Ammi:

Indeed, I cautioned you but you have clearly decided to be unconcerned about discrediting yourself—how sad.
You seem to be talking past yourself. You made a positive affirmation, I asked you to prove it, you fail time and again—including this time since merely asserting “has already been proven to be historically and scientifically unreliable” based on your own pseudo authority is impotent.
So, sure, you “can say” whatever you want and assert that you are doing so “unequivocally” but you merely followed that up by merely repeating the positive affirmation, “Cain and Abel are not and have never been real” which only begs the question—yet again.
But you miss the bigger point: by asserting, “been proven to be historically and scientifically unreliable” you imply some sort of universal imperative to only believe in what has been proven historically and scientifically reliable but how is that the case, on your worldview?
Ironically, you end up showing support of the historicity of Cain and Abel by appealing to that “If we are to go back even further to the time of the Sumerians, then we get the origins of the stories contained in Genesis.” Cool.

Neil Hawkins replied by posting three snowflake emojis.
It ended when I replied:

Quora is saturated with people who make big assertions but can’t back them.

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Discussing Dr. Michael Heiser’s Nephilim Giants AFTER Noah’s Flood?

The following discussion took place due to the video Nephilim Giants AFTER Noah’s Flood? Dr. Michael Heiser when a certain canadiankewldude commented

Noah’s wife carried one bad gene, Ham received it, Ham rapes his mother, Saw Noah’s nakedness. Read Leviticus 18 through 20. Dr Heiser supports Ham raping his mother.

Canaan ended up cursed and with two halves of Nephilim genes combined through a Sinful act.

Nephilim and giants almost all came from the line of Canaan, if any of them intermarried, that would explain the odd single bad seed in other lines, except Shem’s.

Thus far, no Canaanites researched, appear to be dark skinned, from Ham. In Genesis they began spreading out before the Babel incident. The land of Canaan, later Israel and other far off lands.

I, Ken Ammi, replied

Besides that there’s zero evidence for that, are you implying that God failed? He meant to be rid of them but missed that loophole?

canadiankewldude

They all died in the flood, aside from animals, only 8 people lived beyond the flood.

I simply have been researching ways the Nephilim could be present after the great flood.

God has never failed nor ever lied.

Thus, my focus has been how the Nephilim were present in the land of Canaan during the life of Moses, while keeping things true, Biblically.

How do you explain Nephilim after the days of Noah, Biblically.

God Bless

Ken Ammi

A return of Nephilim post-flood implies that God failed as much as a survival of them: God must have missed a loophole and the flood was much of a waste—see what I mean.

Now, you seek to answer, “ways the Nephilim could be present after the great flood…how the Nephilim were present in the land…How do you explain Nephilim after the days of Noah, Biblically.”

It’s very simple: post-flood Nephilim isn’t biblical—period, full stop.

You seem to be genuinely researching this so rather than making statement, I will ask you what makes you think that there were ever post-flood Nephilim?

If you know your stuff, and you surely do, you’ll realize you’re literally forced to build an entire all-encompassing theory upon one single verse—period.

So then, ensure that you re-read the narrative, not just one verse, and read the next chapter about the fallout of the statement in that one verse—and yes, I’m being vague on purpose since the travel is worth the destination, or so I have found.

Shalom!

canadiankewldude

Hugh Ross says:

“The explanation for the post-flood Nephilim is that sons of God, distinct from those who went to the daughters of humans before the flood, went to the daughters of humans born after the flood. If these sons of God were fallen angels, then these fallen angels are in addition to the ones who were locked up in the abyss as a result of their having sexual relations with human females before the flood. Thus, the abyss would contain two sets of fallen angels: those who had violated human women before the flood and those who had violated human women after the flood. If the sons of God were human males, this interpretation would imply that God had commanded the sons of Shem and/or Japheth not to have sexual relations with the daughters of Ham and/or Canaan. The violation of this command evidently would have produced a second generation of Nephilim.”  –  Hugh Ross

Dr. Michael Heiser also says very directly that they exist post flood, I fail to understand why they too are in err.

For the record, I do not abide by the opinions of Hugh Ross. He was just more research on this topic.

I have been researching more but I keep running into suggestions which are counter to Scripture.

How are you so sure that non of the cursed Canaanites, giants, men of renown and so forth not Nephilim.

KJB is my research, please suggest other than Gen. 6.

God Bless

Ken Ammi

I’ve written critiques of Ross’ and Heiser’s Nephilology already. Ross’ premise is faulty, “The explanation for the post-flood Nephilim” presupposes “post-flood Nephilim” but there’s no such thing—ever.

Bottom line is that they both exclusively build an entire all-encompassing theory upon one single verse and then turn that one single verse into a worldview hermeneutic whereby to then misread, misunderstand, misinterpret, and misapply other verses.

The concept of 1. post-flood Nephilim, 2. that anyone, post-flood, was related to them, and 3. that they were very, very tall are all literally based on one single verse that that single verse is Num 13:33 which is part of an “evil report” the speakers of which were rebuked by God.

Heiser was all but forced to actually interact with the narrative of that chapter when so many people complained to him that he was just merely picking up one uncontextual verse and ran with it.

Here are some Bible-fact based critiques of his views:

Review of Amy Richter and Michael Heiser on four Enochian Watcher related women in Jesus’ genealogy

Rebuttal to Dr. Michael Heiser’s “All I Want for Christmas is Another Flawed Nephilim Rebuttal”

I actually featured Heiser in my book “The Scholarly Academic Nephilim and Giants.”

That ended that as no more replies were forthcoming.

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Adherent of Atheism claims “we don’t need an ‘ism’ to live our lives”

The following discussion took place due to my video Q&A session including Ken “TrueFreeThinker” Ammi: high tech, transhumanism, evolution, etc.

Jerome Reiter commented

Ken, you are NOT a free thinker because your mind is trapped inside an invisible box that began with an unseen assumption.

From then on, you have twisted every bit of evidence that contradicts your assumptions into a tool for you to keep yourself locked up.

My reply—Ken Ammi

Friend, here comes the fundamental issue again: you imply that I am wrong or deceptive in calling myself a “True Free Thinker” but upon what premise does your worldview allow you to demand adherence to truth, ethics and logic?

Also, you are very clearly unfamiliar with epistemology which is premised upon the fact that at the core of everyone’s worldview there is an “unseen assumption” that is basic 101 level epistemology, logic, philosophy, etc.

Jerome Reiter

You are wrong in your assumption I am “clearly unfamiliar with epistemology” as I went to Christian college and seminary, taught classes in epistemology and preached the bible until I realized it was all just mythology.

Please tell me about your education since you like to look down on the rest of us for lacking the education you pretend to have.

For those of us in the real world, we don’t need an “ism” to live our lives. I am happy to be a just human.

Ken, you think you are free because you are under the delusion a book of mythology can give you morality and you assume people who don’t believe the fairy tales in your book have no basis for morality.
The bible claims everything was paradise until it was ruined by a magical talking snake and a fictional first human pair (with special blame for the woman, of course, since this is a man-made creation myth).
The bible claims the solution to all of humanity’s problems was a godman who came to die and rise, as godmen often do. He was last seen flying off a mountain and we were left with a promise he would return on a flying horse. Pure mythology.

Ken Ammi

Friend, I cannot call you a liar as that would require an ability to read minds. However, I do find it astonishingly difficult to believe that you went to Christian college and seminary, taught classes in epistemology and preached but that is only due to the evidence before my eyes that you seem to be quire unaware of the contents, concepts and contexts of the Bible as well as epistemology.

For example, you claim that for the fall into sin, the Bible places “special blame for the woman, of course, since this is a man-made creation myth” which proves my point: you are unaware that Adam is blamed.

I have no education of which to speak and you are simply mistaken in concluding that I “look down on” people due to lack of education.

So, rather than turning this into a styled ad hominem: you imply that I am wrong or deceptive in calling myself a “True Free Thinker” but upon what premise does your worldview allow you to demand adherence to truth, ethics and logic?

Also, you just claimed that “the bible” is “just mythology” and since this is a positive affirmation to possess knowledge then please prove it.

Then your personal opinion regarding “ism” is just that.

Jerome Reiter

I provided you proof that the bible is mythology already. You need to do your homework.

Also, since you have zero education or expertise, and you speak for no religious body, doesn’t that make you just another internet troll know-it-all?

And I bet you hide your background because your background is just a typical jailhouse conversion. You have that love of big words you don’t even understand.

Ken Ammi

Friend, you are confused: you asserting subjective opinions (base on random bio-chemical neural reactions) is not “proof.”

BTW: since I posted and you commented that makes you troll. Also, I do not hide my background but if it fascinating that you try to imagine what it was.

But you still have not begun with the premise upon which you demand adherence to truth, logic and ethics and without establishing this then every statement you make is meaningless.

Jerome Reiter

You totally hide your background. You refuse to say if that is you in the profile pic. You state you have no education relevant to the points you make.

You admit no church or other body has appointed you or even recognized you.
Why do you speak as if you alone are the voice of truth on earth?
Why not just admit we are all humans and our basis for morality evolves and changes over time?

Ken Ammi

I stated that I have no education of which to speak within the context of your claims to have had academic training. I am self-taught in many areas and so I do have “education” relevant to the points I make.

Why do you speak as if you alone are the voice of truth on earth?

Now, if “morality evolves and changes over time” then you have just disqualified yourself from ever condemning anything: you cannot condemn anything in the past as the “morality” was different then and you cannot even condemn anything in the present since even now that which was “immoral” yesterday could be “moral” today and that which was “moral” yesterday could be “moral” today.

But you still have not begun with the premise upon which you demand adherence to truth, logic and ethics and without establishing this then every statement you make is meaningless.

Jerome Reiter

Al Queda considered themselves “true free thinkers” too, because they also saw themselves as the voice of their god, but this is a dangerous delusion for them and for Ken.

I still suspect Ken got his religion while he was incarcerated. He refuses to deny or confirm that. Very dodgy.

Ken Ammi

Atheist regimes in the 1900s AD considered themselves “true free thinkers” too, because they also saw themselves as the voice of evolution and mass murdered hundreds of millions, but this is a dangerous delusion for them and for Jerome. I still suspect Jerome got his Atheism while he was incarcerated. He refuses to deny or confirm that. Very dodgy.

But you still have not begun with the premise upon which you demand adherence to truth, logic and ethics and without establishing this then every statement you make is meaningless.

 

 

And that is as far as we got as he never replied.

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Pastor Paul on 25 Characteristics of Nephilim in the Bible

A certain Paul, who self-identifies as, “Pastor, Husband, Father and Bible Believer” who makes, “King James Bible teaching and preaching videos” and “would love to show you what the Bible says, not what I think” (I don’t even see what he pastors) posted a list of 25 Characteristics of Nephilim in the Bible.

1.  Tall Stature – Giants in the Bible are described as being of tremendous height. (Deuteronomy 3:11)

That verse reads, “For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.”

Note that there’s not a single word about “Tall Stature…tremendous height” in that verse.

Some merely assert that he was due to being called a “giant” and having a big “bed.” Yet, the pastor doesn’t seem to be aware that when he reads of Og as a “giant” in the KJV he’s reading that Og was a Repha so the word “giant” doesn’t even imply anything about height whatsoever since it’s job is to merely render (not even translate) Repha: that’s what it’s doing in 98% of the verses in which it’s found—the other 2 verse in which it’s found it renders “Nephilim.”

Ergo, that is not about a Nephil but about a Repha so the very first one on the list doesn’t belong there and didn’t teach us any “Characteristics of Nephilim.”

Moreover, Og’s bed was not something upon which he slept but was a ritual object—a “bed” of the same dimensions was found in the Etemenanki ziggurat.

For details, see my book The King, Og of Bashan, is Dead: The Man, the Myth, the Legend—of a Nephilim Giant?

2.  Nephilim – Giants are referred to as Nephilim in Genesis. (Genesis 6:4)

That verse reads, “There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”

Oddly, likely due to his KJV leanings, he got it 100% backward since it’s anachronistic to claim “Giants are referred to as Nephilim” since it’s really “Nephilim are referred to as Giants” since the ancient Hebrew came first.

Also, the pastor doesn’t seem to be aware that biblically contextually “Giants are referred to as Nephilim” reads as “Nephilim are referred to as Nephilim.”

3.  Fame and Renown – They were men of renown, respected and feared by others. (Genesis 6:4)

Fair enough.

4.  Warriors – Giants were often depicted as fierce warriors. (1 Samuel 17:4)

That verse reads, “And there went out a champion out of the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath, of Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span.”

Goliath was a Repha, not a Nephil so he’s also irrelevant.

Since Pastor Paul is reading the KJV he’s fixated on its reliance on the Masoretic text which has him at just shy of 10 ft. Yet, the earlier LXX and the earlier Dead Sea Scrolls and the earlier Flavius Josephus all have him at just shy of 7 ft./four cubits and a span—compared to the average Israelite male who was 5.0-5.3 ft. in those days.

5.  Strength – They possessed extraordinary physical strength. (2 Samuel 21:16)

“And Ishbibenob, which was of the sons of the giant, the weight of whose spear weighed three hundred shekels of brass in weight, he being girded with a new sword, thought to have slain David.”

Here “the giant” in question is Goliath: “the giant”/“the Repha.”

As for “extraordinary physical strength” well, regular guy Benaiah took a spear like a weaver’s beam from a 7.5 ft. Egyptian and successfully wielded it against him in hand-to-hand combat (2 Sam 23:21).

6.  Armor Bearers – Giants were described as having significant and impressive armor. (1 Samuel 17:5)

It’s interesting to note the Pastor’s hyperbolic manner of speaking: here he has one description of one giant’s armor, the only such description in the Bible, and applies to how “Giants were described” in the plural and in general.

Note that he had a guy assisting with the equipment and you can search for strongman or weightlifting competition vids and see guys who are around 6 ft. lifting 1,000 lbs.

7.   Six Fingers and Toes – Some giants had six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot. (2 Samuel 21:20)

Note that this was supposed to be about Nephilim but, due to the KJV, the Pastor keeps telling us about “giants.”

In this case, we also have the issue of watering down and exaggerating since we’re told of extra digits one single time about one single person who was a Repha and that somehow turned into that some Nephilim had such features.

“And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.”

Now, recall that “of great stature” means taller than 5.0-5.3ft and that “born to the giant” refers to being Goliaths’ son.

8.  Descendants of Anak – Some giants were referred to as Anakim, descendants of Anak. (Numbers 13:33)

Numbers 13:33 reads “And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.”

He didn’t bother telling us that he was appealing to one sentence from an “evil report” by 10 unreliable guys whom God rebuked so there’s no reason to believe them and many to disbelieve them.

His statement “Some giants were referred to as Anakim, descendants of Anak” is missing the key points since Anakim were descendants of Anak who was Arba’s son but then how do we get them having anything to do with Nephilim? The biblical answer is: we don’t.

This is the second of the two verses that refer to Nephilim as “giants” and it’s unreliable.

9.   Inhabitants of Canaan – Giants lived in Canaan. (Deuteronomy 9:2)

“A people great and tall, the children of the Anakims, whom thou knowest, and of whom thou hast heard say, Who can stand before the children of Anak!”

Anakim were a clan of the Rephaim tribe and Rephaim were “tall” in general (so, taller than 5.0-5.3ft.) and lived in Canaan. But, again, this has nothing to do with Nephilim.

10.  Philistines – Some giants were from the Philistine region. (1 Samuel 17:23)

“And as he talked with them, behold, there came up the champion, the Philistine of Gath, Goliath by name, out of the armies of the Philistines, and spake according to the same words: and David heard them.”

Recall that what he’s supposed to be telling us is “Some Nephilim were from the Philistine region” but, of course, there’s literally zero indication of that since they didn’t make it past the flood in any way, shape, or form.

Thus, he’s actually asserting that Philistines weren’t fully human which is shameful.

11.  Champions of Battle – Giants often occupied key roles in battle. (1 Samuel 17:4)

How about we simplify things hereinafter since it’s going to be more repetitions.

In this case, guess what, it has nothing to do with Nephilim, it’s about Rephaim.

Nephilim were strictly pre-flood hybrids, Rephaim were strictly post-flood humans, and there’s zero correlation between them.

12.  Multiple Battles – Giants appeared in several battles against Israelites. (2 Samuel 21:18)

Nothing to do with Nephilim.

13.  Pride and Defiance – Giants like Goliath displayed pride and defiance against God. (1 Samuel 17:10)

Nothing to do with Nephilim.

14.  Fearsome Reputation – Their reputation instilled fear. (Deuteronomy 2:10-11)

Nothing to do with Nephilim.

15.  Subjects of God’s Judgment – Giants were often subject to God’s judgment. (Deuteronomy 2:21)

Nothing to do with Nephilim.

16.  Heart of Stone – Giants were described as hard-hearted. (1 Samuel 17:44)

Nothing to do with Nephilim.

17.  Relics and Weapons – Their colossal weapons and relics required special attention. (1 Chronicles 20:5)

Nothing to do with Nephilim.

18.  Rephaim – Another term for giants used in the Bible. (Genesis 14:5)

Nothing to do with Nephilim.

Yet, in this case we see another instance of anachronism since “Rephaim – Another term for giants used in the Bible” should read “giants – Another term for Rephaim used in the Bible.”

19.  Increased Land’s Difficulty – Giants made the Promised Land appear unconquerable. (Numbers 13:32-33)

Nothing to do with Nephilim.

20.  Renowned Heroes – Giants earned respect similar to heroes. (2 Samuel 23:13)

Nothing to do with Nephilim.

21.  Island Inhabitants – Lived on islands and coasts. (Jeremiah 47:5)

Nothing to do with Nephilim.

22.  Feared by Enemies – Their presence alone could intimidate. (Deuteronomy 9:2 )

Nothing to do with Nephilim.

23.  Empowered by False Gods – Believed to be empowered by false gods. (Joshua 11:21)

Nothing to do with Nephilim.

24.  Correlation with Evil – Often associated with evil and sin. (Genesis 6:5)

What this has to do with Nephilim is that they were part of the “God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually” mix.

25.  Defied Israelite Expansion – Hindered Israelites from expanding territory. (Deuteronomy 3:13 )

Nothing to do with Nephilim.

So, of the “25 Characteristics of Nephilim in the Bible” what did we actually learn about Nephilim? A wrongly and vaguely generically worded, “Giants are referred to as Nephilim in Genesis” and “Fame and Renown – They were men of renown, respected and feared by others” plus “associated with evil and sin” by association—oh, and even though Pastor Paul didn’t tell us, also that centuries post-flood some guys made up a tall-tale about them.

Thus, that was not so much about “Characteristics of Nephilim in the Bible” but was about what I suspect was that which I term KWBT: Key-Word Based Theology (or, in this case, Nephilology) whereby he merely searched for the word “giants” and strung together some of the verses in which it appears, in the KJV, in a case of taking texts out of context to make pretexts for prooftexts.

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DejahVu’s video on Giants of the Old Testament

The YouTuber DejahVu posted a video titled Giants of the Old Testament and it still never ceases to amaze me how someone can speak, on the WORLD WIDE web mind you, on a subject that they get 99% wrong.

I mean virtually every single statement she made is wrong and not at levels of abstraction but just based on straight up front simple data that is either there or isn’t.

I’m just going to paste the comment that I left on that video and you’ll get the idea—and the vid is only 3:03 minutes, BTW, so it’s pretty amazing just how many fallacious statements she managed to pack into such a short vid.

You began by using the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” without defining it.

You then jumped to the specific ancient Hebrew term “Nephilim” so it’s hard to follow what you’re saying.

Also, what do, “almost every giant or race of giants” have to do with “Nephilim”?

In fact, Nephilim “were destroyed during the flood” and there’s zero reliable indication of “Nephilim descendant again after the flood.”

You seem to merely assert that there were based on chasing one English word around a Hebrew Bible so it’s no wonder you’re confused and are confusing others on the WORLD WIDE web.

One theory is that God wasn’t smart enough to figure out the genetic loophole and so the flood was much of a waste since God failed.

Also, that theory contradicts the Bible five times: Genesis 7:7, 23; Hebrews 11:7; 1 Peter 3:20; and 2 Peter 2:5.

You also don’t realize that Rephaim, Zamzummim/Zuzim, and Emim were not “different giants”: those are just parochial a.k.a.s for Rephaim.

And when you say “listed as giants” well, there’s a reason that the others aren’t: they’re not Rephaim.

It seems that these questions are key:

What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles?

What’s your usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants”?

Do those two usages agree?

When you jump from Hebrew to Arabic, for whatever un-contextual reason, to tell us that a word means “giant” that only begs the question: what does “giant” mean?

As for Amos: what makes you think that Amorites had literal fruits and roots growing out of their bodies?

Emim/Rephaim “were as tall as the Anakim” (who were a clan of the Rephaim tribe) but “tall” is just as vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” so you didn’t tell us anything. And “tall” is subjective to the average Israelite male who was 5.0-5.3 ft. in those days.

How can you conclude that Og was “9 to 13ft” based on a “bed” that was a ritual object not meant to be slept upon? [see my book The King, Og of Bashan, is Dead: The Man, the Myth, the Legend—of a Nephilim Giant?]

You say “Goliath…was huge” but “huge” is just as vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “tall” or “giants.” Besides, most reliably, as per the preponderance of the earliest data, he was just shy of 7ft.

There’s no indication “Nimrod…built the Tower of Babel.”

There’s zero indication that at “the Tower of Babel…very” or even slightly “likely was more recreation of Nephilim” as if God failed and the flood was much of a waste because He missed the recreation loophole.

There’s literally zero indication that “Joshua…going around these different Canaanite

city states and destroying the people” had anything whatsoever to do with “heavenly beings coming down and mating with human women creating these giants.” God told us many times why He commanded such things but never said even one single word about any of that.

As for, “they were trying to pollute the bloodline that Yeshua our Messiah was supposed to be born from” well, that’s a popular tall-tale but the fact is that those you merely assert where not fully human are in Jesus’ genealogy.

There’s also no indication of “cannibalistic” anyone in the whole Bible.

Thus, the conclusion that “when Joshua went into the land it was to rid the world of these Nephilim descendant giants” is 100% biblically, logically, bio-logically, and theo-logically incorrect and easily proved to be so.

Likewise with, “when you understand the story of the Nephilim and the Nephilim giants and

how they messed with the DNA of people and animals” and there’s also zero indication they “messed with the DNA of…animals” so that “the story of Joshua down to King David destroying them and ridding them of the land makes a lot more sense” since there’s zero indication of any such thing.

Friend, in the spirit of sharpening iron with iron please, please, stop listening to modern pop-Nephilologists and see what God revealed to us about these things—and not just by chasing an English word around a Hebrew Bible.

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