Video review: “Giants, Nephilim – Where They Came From?”

I made the following remarks to this video’s comments section. The video is by a certain “Perry Church of Christ” but I do not know which one since they offer no contact info—see the end of the comments for a tidbit.

May I urge you to re-research this issues since when it comes to Nephilology, it is very easy to come to faulty conclusions based on simple errors in one’s premises.

Now, when you asked, “let me ask you before we start do you believe in giants that they existed?” the answer should have been “what do you mean by the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage, and undefined English word ‘giants’” since the ancient meaning is not the same as the modern usage, people us it in different ways, and when used in English Bibles it does not imply anything about subjectively unusual height.

You noted, “Josephus actually talks

about the Goliath” and he is, along with the LXX and Dead Sea Scrolls tell us that he was just shy of 7 ft. The latter Masoretic is what has him as just shy of 10 ft.

You noted, “the bones even still being around that people went looked at in Josephus’ day” but what bones? We don’t know if they found dinosaur, whale, pachyderm, etc. bones and since they were not expert anatomists, they just thought they were human (or humanoid).

You noted, “there is a guy six fingers six toes and he is of the giant family” but biblically “giant family” means “Rephaim family” indeed, he was a Repha.

You need to be more specific when stating, “they spy out the land and the inhabitants why is it that they’re a little bit scared because there’s we’re like grasshoppers in their sight that’s one of the paths we’ll read in numbers.” The issue is that “they” refers to 12 spies but 10 of them—the unfaithful, disloyal, contradictory, embellishers—are the ones who made that mere assertion which is not backed by even one single other verse and you didn’t note that you’re actually relying on an “evil report” by the 10 whom God rebuked for the major premise of your teaching: why would you believe some of the least reliable guys in the whole Bible—especially when they also contradict Moses, Caleb, Joshua, God, and the rest of the Bible?

You said, “the promised land that they’re going to take which is Canaan happens to be full of what type of people big people” which, again, means you believe an “evil report”: some of those peoples were “big” (which is as subjective a word as “giants”) but that’s subjective to the average Israelite male who in those days was 5.0-5.3 ft.

You say Nimrod “was a killer of men” but what makes you think so?

When you say “guess where what line” and I’m unsure if you said, “the defile them” or “the Nephilim” “and the refine that’s the two kind of giant classes” but you need to understand that some English Bibles render (don’t even translate) both “Nephilim” and “Rephaim” as “giants” so when you say “two kind of giant classes” you biblically mean “Nephilim and Rephaim classes” neither of which implies anything about height and they have nothing to do with each other: you only think they do because you believe an “evil report” and not even that report states that outright, it only asserted that the Anakim subgroup of Rephaim were related to Nephilim (which is biblically impossible, of course).

You said you “kind of sometimes struggle like God is commanding, ‘I want you to kill what men women children’…God wanted this group of Canaanites which includes these Nephilim” and I am thankful that you, at least, noted, “at least a possibility of that’s the reason why.” The fact is that God told us various times why He commanded such things and never said one single word about Nephilim nor about relation to them so no, it did not includes Nephilim.

As you noted from 2 Peter (something that is reiterated a handful of times in the Bible), God, “spare the ancient world but saved Noah for the eight people” but you have post-flood Nephilim so did they survive the flood? If so then you contradict the Bible. Did they (somehow) return? If so then you are inserting an invented tall tale into the Bible since it does not even hint about any such thing.

You mention Og but only because you think Nephilim and Rephaim are related but they are not. Also, because you think that Nephilim were very tall so anyone who was very tall must be related to them but you only think Nephilim were very tall due to one single verse in the “evil report”—also, we are not told Og’s height (not that his height is relevant).

So, when you assert, “Nephilim is kind of the big term there’s a secondary category of these giants that the Rephaim” there’s no biblical support for that and is it utterly inaccurate: Nephilim were strictly pre-flood hybrids, Rephaim were strictly post-flood humans.

Back to “Numbers 13:33 is where they go in and spy out the land” “they” being the 12, “they gave the children and all the people who we saw in it are men of great stature there we saw the giants the descendants of Anak came from the giants and we were like grasshoppers” “they” being the utterly unreliable 10. Note that 1) post-flood Nephilim, 2) that Anakim were related to them, and 3) that Nephilim were very tall are exclusively asserted within the “evil report” without one other single verse to back any of that.

But you conclude, “yes there were giants yes they were huge…Caleb doesn’t deny yeah they’re big dudes but you know what nevertheless let’s go we can do this no fear even though they’re ginormous people” but you’re basing that on the “evil report” and you missed that the original report in Num 13 has the inhabitants of the land as being “strong” and even the 10 initially refer to them as being “stronger” than the Israelites but they embellish the “evil report” by suddenly inventing the assertion that all of the various people groups that where mentioned in the original report (which did not list Nephilim, by the way) were “of great stature” which is another thing not back by any other single verse.

You refer to Amos telling us about that the Amorites were strong as oaks and tall as cedars but why take him telling us that they were big and strong as some sort of implication of a one-to-one ratio based mathematical comparison?

Yes, “Book of Enoch goes into detail which and it’s confirmed Enoch’s around like 200 BC” which is MILLENNIA after the Torah was written and it also contradicts the Bible, a lot, and has Nephilim being MILES tall which is great folklore but poor reality.

You note, “the Nephilim name means fallen ones, the Rephaim…has something to do with it’s all wrapped up in that same distorted minds sinful minds there might be some even playing of what the these angels taught men” which I can hardly understand but again, those are two utterly different people groups.

If I may ask, did the flood have anything to do with Nephilim? You imply that it did in the teaching but I just want to ensure.

Thank you for hearing (or, reading) me out and be assured that my motivation is sharpening iron with iron.

That was the end of the comment. Now, since I wanted to reach out to them—in a more personal format than a YT comment—I search for and then emailed the “Perry Church of Christ” whence I thought the video came and received this reply from the “Minister”:

Friend, before you start blasting someone, I suggest you know who your talking too. May the peace of God rest on you at this time. You’ve got the wrong website and YouTube user. Once you dive into the the speculation of these subjects, which you clearly want to argue, I believe the book of Jude gives some insight to you’re query. But if your the man that wants to argue, did Adam have a belly button and about giants, I will defer you to the apostle Paul [along with a quote of 1 Corinthians 15:1–5]…Thanks and have blessed day in the Lord Jesus Christ!!

I replied:

I pray I find you well.
I’m unsure why your reply is so emotive and you refer to “blasting”: perhaps you’re projecting.
In any case, you’ll note that I began with “Is this the same Perry Church that…” so as to know who I was talking to.
May the peace of God rest on you at this time as well.

The reply was:

My apologies, It seems since Covid a lot of preachers, me included did videos, and it opened the door up for folks to super criticize preachers for every single syllable we speak.

And we left it at my final reply:

I appreciate that.
Some appreciate sharpening iron with iron and this was about major errors.
But, I’ve come to find that when we seek to sharpen iron with iron—someone tends to get cut.

I can empathize with internet sleuths going about to “super criticize preachers for every single syllable we speak” but on the other hand, perhaps that will motivate such preachers to tighten their game—capiche?

For more details, see my relevant books.

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Now, when you asked, “let me ask you before we start do you believe in giants that they existed?” the answer should have been “what do you mean by the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage, and undefined English word ‘giants’” since the ancient meaning is not the same as the modern usage, people us it in different ways, and when used in English Bibles it does not imply anything about subjectively unusual height.

You noted, “Josephus actually talks
about the Goliath” and he is, along with the LXX and Dead Sea Scrolls tell us that he was just shy of 7 ft. The latter Masoretic is what has him as just shy of 10 ft.

You noted, “the bones even still being around that people went looked at in Josephus’ day” but what bones? We don’t know if they found dinosaur, whale, pachyderm, etc. bones and since they were not expert anatomists, they just thought they were human (or humanoid).

You noted, “there is a guy six fingers six toes and he is of the giant family” but biblically “giant family” means “Rephaim family” indeed, he was a Repha.

You need to be more specific when stating, “they spy out the land and the inhabitants why is it that they’re a little bit scared because there’s we’re like grasshoppers in their sight that’s one of the paths we’ll read in numbers.” The issue is that “they” refers to 12 spies but 10 of them—the unfaithful, disloyal, contradictory, embellishers—are the ones who made that mere assertion which is not backed by even one single other verse and you didn’t note that you’re actually relying on an “evil report” by the 10 whom God rebuked for the major premise of your teaching: why would you believe some of the least reliable guys in the whole Bible—especially when they also contradict Moses, Caleb, Joshua, God, and the rest of the Bible?

You said, “the promised land that they’re going to take which is Canaan happens to be full of what type of people big people” which, again, means you believe an “evil report”: some of those peoples were “big” (which is as subjective a word as “giants”) but that’s subjective to the average Israelite male who in those days was 5.0-5.3 ft.

You say Nimrod “was a killer of men” but what makes you think so?

When you say “guess where what line” and I’m unsure if you said, “the defile them” or “the Nephilim” “and the refine that’s the two kind of giant classes” but you need to understand that some English Bibles render (don’t even translate) both “Nephilim” and “Rephaim” as “giants” so when you say “two kind of giant classes” you biblically mean “Nephilim and Rephaim classes” neither of which implies anything about height and they have nothing to do with each other: you only think they do because you believe an “evil report” and not even that report states that outright, it only asserted that the Anakim subgroup of Rephaim were related to Nephilim (which is biblically impossible, of course).

You said you “kind of sometimes struggle like God is commanding, ‘I want you to kill what men women children’…God wanted this group of Canaanites which includes these Nephilim” and I am thankful that you, at least, noted, “at least a possibility of that’s the reason why.” The fact is that God told us various times why He commanded such things and never said one single word about Nephilim nor about relation to them so no, it did not includes Nephilim.

As you noted from 2 Peter (something that is reiterated a handful of times in the Bible), God, “spare the ancient world but saved Noah for the eight people” but you have post-flood Nephilim so did they survive the flood? If so then you contradict the Bible. Did they (somehow) return? If so then you are inserting an invented tall tale into the Bible since it does not even hint about any such thing.

You mention Og but only because you think Nephilim and Rephaim are related but they are not. Also, because you think that Nephilim were very tall so anyone who was very tall must be related to them but you only think Nephilim were very tall due to one single verse in the “evil report”—also, we are not told Og’s height (not that his height is relevant).

So, when you assert, “Nephilim is kind of the big term there’s a secondary category of these giants that the Rephaim” there’s no biblical support for that and is it utterly inaccurate: Nephilim were strictly pre-flood hybrids, Rephaim were strictly post-flood humans.

Back to “Numbers 13:33 is where they go in and spy out the land” “they” being the 12, “they gave the children and all the people who we saw in it are
men of great stature there we saw the giants the descendants of Anak came from the giants and we were like grasshoppers” “they” being the utterly unreliable 10. Note that 1) post-flood Nephilim, 2) that Anakim were related to them, and 3) that Nephilim were very tall are exclusively asserted within the “evil report” without one other single verse to back any of that.

But you conclude, “yes there were giants yes they were huge…Caleb doesn’t deny yeah they’re big dudes but you know what nevertheless let’s go we can do this no fear even though they’re ginormous people” but you’re basing that on the “evil report” and you missed that the original report in Num 13 has the inhabitants of the land as being “strong” and even the 10 initially refer to them as being “stronger” than the Israelites but they embellish the “evil report” by suddenly inventing the assertion that all of the various people groups that where mentioned in the original report (which did not list Nephilim, by the way) were “of great stature” which is another thing not back by any other single verse.

You refer to Amos telling us about that the Amorites were strong as oaks and tall as cedars but why take him telling us that they were big and strong as some sort of implication of a one-to-one ratio based mathematical comparison?

Yes, “Book of Enoch goes into detail which and it’s confirmed Enoch’s around like 200 BC” which is MILLENNIA after the Torah was written and it also contradicts the Bible, a lot, and has Nephilim being MILES tall which is great folklore but poor reality.

You note, “the Nephilim name means fallen ones, the Rephaim…has something to do with it’s all wrapped up in that same distorted minds sinful minds there might be some even playing of what the these angels taught men” which I can hardly understand but again, those are two utterly different people groups.

If I may ask, did the flood have anything to do with Nephilim? You imply that it did in the teaching but I just want to ensure.

Thank you for hearing (or, reading) me out and be assured that my motivation is sharpening iron with iron.

 

For more details, see my relevant books.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A plea: I have to pay for server usage and have made all content on this website free and always will. I support my family on one income and do research, writing, videos, etc. as a hobby. If you can even spare $1.00 as a donation, please do so: it may not seem like much but if each person reading this would do so, even every now and then, it would add up and really, really help out. Here is my donate/paypal page.

Due to robo-spaming, I had to close the comment sections. However, you can comment on my Twitter page, on my Facebook page, or any of my other social network sites all which are available here.