Harry McCall

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Read the article about which Gary Habermas, PhD (Distinguished Research Professor & Chair of the Department of Philosophy at Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary) said, “I have hung on to it since you sent it, & plan to keep doing so”: Historical Jesus – Two Centuries Worth of Citations.

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Bob Schlenker – serpent seedline of Satan

Bob Schlenker on Cain as serpent seed of Satan

Bob Schlenker on Cain’s Satanic seedline

Bob Schlenker on cannibalism in the Garden of Eden

Bob Schlenker on how to be rightly racist and sexist

Bob Schlenker on Michelangelo and serpent seed of Satan DNA

Bob Schlenker on occult symbolism of Satan’s oral sex with Adam

Bob Schlenker on Satan’s sodomy with Adam

Bob Schlenker on serpent seed of Satan mutations

Bob Schlenker on serpent seed of Satan symbolism in Genesis 3

Bob Schlenker sex orgy interpretation of Genesis 3

Bob Schlenker’s serpent seed of Satan adult version of the Genesis 3

Serpent seed of Satan theory promulgators

Cain

As has been elucidated in various articles found with the Serpent Seed category: the Bible does speak the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman. Yet, it does not, in any way, relate seed of the serpent to Cain being the result of Eve having sex with Satan.

In fact, since the serpent seed of Satan theory is not biblical, promulgators, such as those listed below, have different ideas as to who the seedlines / bloodlines are.

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The Wars of the Jews

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Atheist hate speech from The Centre for Inquiry – Le Centre Pour l'Enquête

No, I certainly have not jumped upon the charging of hate speech bandwagon, but am simply playing off of Canada’s judicial tendency towards charging those with whom they disagree with hate speech.
A friend was actually concerned about this when I traveled to Canada in order to debate an atheist on the issue of morality (find video here).

The Centre for Inquiry – Le Centre Pour l’Enquête is the latest atheist activist group to waste money attempting to show how clever they are whilst not helping those in need during trying times.

They describe themselves thusly:

We are an educational charity with a legal mandate to educate and provide training to the public in the application of skeptical, secular, rational, and humanistic enquiry…and to develop communities where like-minded individuals can meet and share their experiences. We focus on three broad areas: 1. Religion, Ethics and Society, 2. Pseudoscience, Paranormal and Fringe-science claims, 3. Medicine and Health

FYI: “skeptical, secular, rational, and humanistic” means “atheism” by any other name. This is further evidenced by the fact that their number one concern is “Religion”: they are an anti-theism support group.

Atheists such as those “like-minded individuals” from The Centre for Inquiry – Le Centre Pour l’Enquête have a LOT of money to spend (read, “waste”), especially during the holidays. This group has wasted money on bus ads:

A new “skepticism campaign” is aiming to roll out on Toronto’s [Canada] transit system in 2011, taking on “well-known and widely believed claims”…they would…read “Extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence” and then list a variety of things the CFI says are not backed by science, including UFOs, homeopathy, Zeus, Allah, Christ and God.

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The campaign’s website says: “Why is belief in Bigfoot dismissed as delusional while belief in Allah and Christ is respected and revered? All of these claims are equally extraordinary and demand critical examination.”
Justin Trottier, executive director of the CFI, says it would be wrong to simply call it an “atheist campaign,” since they also call out alternative medicine such as homeopathy. “While Toronto doesn’t hold the same beliefs of literal conservative-style religion that are stifling in the U.S….Toronto is home to many purveyors of extraordinary claims, such as homeopaths and psychics. These claims are not trivial, and their practitioners are peddling unproven practices which parents often use on their children.”…

The Centre was involved with the atheist bus campaign last year, featuring the bus ad stating “There’s probably no God so stop worrying and enjoy your life.” [which was dissected here]…he notes. “We are just asking for evidence, asking people to think critically.”

The very premise of the ads is faulty as extraordinary claims only require adequate evidence.
Also, there is no logical of theological correlation between Jesus, Zeus, or for that matter the Flying Spaghetti Monster or Invisible Pink Unicorns (a point that is elucidated here).

Obviously, appealing to the “extraordinary” is a loophole-escape-clause. No matter what evidence one may provide for, let us say Jesus, they mere have to say that it does not meet the self-serving standard of “extraordinary.”

This is merely a baseless system whereby they attempt to make evidence for God simply impossible.

When it comes to strict inquiry (and not atheistic cynicism in disguise), I am all for it: “‘Come now, let us reason together,’ says the LORD” (Isaiah 1:18), in the New Testament the Bereans are considered more noble (or more “fair minded”) for double checking everything that Paul told them (Acts 17:11), Thomas asked for the evidence which the others had seen and had merely retold to him (John 20:24-30), Jesus stated, “Love the Lord your God with all your…mind. This is the first and greatest commandment” (Matthew 22:36-38). We are clearly called to discern, test, and judge, prophets, spirits and all things: “Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge” (1st Corinthians 14:29). One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is “discerning of spirits” (1st Corinthians 12:10). “Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world” (1st John 4:1). “Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies. Test all things; hold fast what is good. Abstain from every form of evil” (1st Thessalonians 5:19-22). “you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly” (Deuteronomy 13:14).

Etc., etc., etc.

Christian Apologetics

In John chapter 11 we learn of the death of Lazarus of Bethany.

Lazarus’ sisters, Mary and Martha, had sent for Jesus with a message stating, “Lord, behold, he whom you love is sick.”
Jesus offers an odd response, “This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God may be glorified through it.” Odder still he stayed put two more days. Afterward, upon leaving for Lazarus’s home he stated, “Our friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up” to which the disciples responded, “Lord, if he sleeps he will get well.”

International Ministry

As has been elucidated in various articles found with the Serpent Seed category: the Bible does speak the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman. Yet, it does not, in any way, relate seed of the serpent to Cain being the result of Eve having sex with Satan.

In fact, since the serpent seed of Satan theory is not biblical, promulgators, such as those listed below, have different ideas as to who the seedlines / bloodlines are.

Bertrand L. Comparet on the Jews as Cain’s Satanic seedline-bloodline

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…Genesis 4:1. “And Adam knew his wife, and she conceived and bare Cain.” Notice that what is not said is more significant that what is said, the Bible nowhere says Adam begat Cain…there are

literal children of Satan surviving in the world today…

—Bertrand L. Comparet

With this series, which I herein conclude, I will consider Bertrand L. Comparet, A.B., J.D.’s The Cain/Satanic Seed Line. You can find the series on Comparet here.

Bertrand L. Comparet writes that “people are divided into two classes” and attempts to buttress his racism by stating that “I John 3:12 records that as for those that are our brothers, not the children of Satan, we should love them and not be as Cain.” Thus, love those of Adamic genetics but not those of Satanic genetics (basically anyone who does not have the same epidermal pigmentation as Comparet).

He quotes 1 John 3:10, “‘In this the children (teknon) of God are manifest, and the children (teknon) of the devil’. Remember, John has talked about us as the born teknon of Yahweh and the others as the born teknon of the devil.” But in what context? Well, he does also quote verse 12 which, indeed, states that Cain, “who was of that wicked one and slew his brother.” He then writes, “The people that have churchianity rather than Christianity say, ‘Oh well, you know it doesn’t say that he was a son, it just means that Cain was morally associated with Satan and was bad and a reprobate and so on.’”
Well, the people that have serpent seedline of Satan theory rather than Christianity claim that the Bible tells us that Cain who was of that wicked one but it does not at least not within Comparet’s context. For instance, note that Cain was of that wicked one in that he took the action of slaying his brother. Moreover, the text actually tells us why he did so, “And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother’s righteous.” Thus, he did so because his works, actions, were evil and not his genetics. It is amazing what happens when we read a text for context.

Bertrand L. Comparet asserts that “the Jews are the descendants of Cain and therefore from the devil.” He then refers to John 8:31-33, “If ye continue in My doctrines indeed, then ye shall be My disciples; and you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. They answered Him, We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man.” Yet, he notes that “all of Abraham’s children had been in bondage at one time or another” so that “these people weren’t descendants of Abraham.” Well, this actually means that they were speaking to a context of which we are not exactly aware of simply wrong (perhaps lying, exaggerating, etc.).
Of course, as aforementioned, in verse 37 Jesus states, “I know that ye are Abraham’s seed” so that Comparet is arguing against Jesus at this point.

He notes that “Esau married two Canaanite women in violation of Yahweh’s law. Esau couldn’t leave anything but mongrelized satanic descendants” and that “John Hyrcanus, one of the Maccabee kings…offered the Edomites a choice; he would spare them if they would accept the religion of Judaism. This was not the religion of the Old Testament ever; it was what was brought back from Babylon with the Babylonian Talmud.”
I do not know if his timeline is accurate but it is true that, as I will term it, Rabbinic Judaism is not the faith of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Aaron, Moses, etc. But is exactly that, a Rabbinic religion which holds Rabbinic thought on the same level as, if not up above and beyond, God’s own word: the Talmuds over the Bible. Bertrand L. Comparet quotes Rabbi Stephen S. Wise thusly, “The return from Babylon and the introduction of the Babylonian Talmud marked the end of Hebrewism and the beginning of Judaism.”

He states that “People have asked me if I thought the Jews know of their descent from Cain” and that “They certainly do, and here is how they proved they know” get ready for the evidence which is, drum roll please, “The Jews have given the owner of the radio station on which I broadcast, a very bad time.” Well then, there it is. Here is a thought: perhaps the reason that “The Jews” (is that painting with a broom enough?) have given the owner of the radio station on which Comparet broadcasts a very bad time is because Comparet was an anti-Semitic racist. Apparently, “The Jews” wanted his show to be cancelled and the station’s owner told them that if they can show “anything that you think is untrue, although they are paying for their time, I will give you an equal amount of free time for you to answer them” but alas “Surprise, surprise, the Jews didn’t take the station owner up on his offer.”

Well we have to take his word for it but I certainly would have loved to take that offer.

Note that in order to do away with the hybrid Nephilim bloodline God flooded the Earth so that they all drowned to death. However, when Cain, who would supposedly spread his alleged hybrid bloodline, God actually protects him even in the midst of cursing him, “the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him” (Genesis 4:15). Well, Comparet notes that the station ended up hiring a Jew who would censor the programs and “On one of my broadcast tapes, I quoted the Bible verses telling that after Cain killed Abel, Cain had been a farmer…I went on to say that I suppose you have noticed that the children of Cain are not farmers today. You find them in financial and money lending institutions. I didn’t use the forbidden word Jew, I just said the children of Cain. Guess what the Jew censor cut out of my tape! As a Jew he knew exactly whom I was talking about. Yes, they know who they are.”

Well, maybe but then again maybe they discerned that Comparet spoke of “The Jews” due to his context and they did not appreciate his greater context of being called literal descendants of Satan himself.

Yet, Bertrand L. Comparet is aware of God’s protection of Cain and notes, “If, as the preachers teach, Adam and Eve were the parents of the only people on earth who were these other people? The only other child of Adam and Eve, at this time, was Abel and he was dead.” Wrong again. He is obviously attempting to make room for his fictional myth of pre Adamic races. Yet, when Genesis 5 goes back to offer details we find out that while Cain and Abel were growing up multiple generations passed and plenty of people are born. For example, “And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters” (Genesis 5:4).

In fact, we are only given the names of three of Adam and Eve’s children: Cain, Abel and Seth and yet we are not told that Seth was their third born but only that Eve considered him a replacement, of sorts, for Abel.

Comparet rightly notes that which I referenced which is that God “put a mark on him so the people would recognize him and not kill him. Just what was that mark?” Well, the Bible does not tell us but Comparet does, “Did Yahweh tattoo something on the sole of Cain’s foot or where Cain would sit down on it? No, long before any hidden mark could possibly be seen, Cain would have been killed. Yahweh had to put this mark where it was the first thing others would see, He put it in the exact geometrical center of Cain’s face. This big Jew nose they have borne ever since, as the sculptured monuments of the ancient empires show.”
So, apparently, God performed a reverse rhinoplasty of sorts. And Comparet wonders why “The Jews” had a problem with his show—oi vey!

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Did Ellen White recast Nephilim as good guys?

Perhaps only second in infamy to the fallen angels are their offspring the Nephilim. This all pertains to the Genesis 6 affair, as I have come to term it whereby it is noted, as Ellen White rightly puts it, that “The Nephilim, the product of the sons of god mingling with the daughters of Adam…Genesis 6:1–4 tells the readers that the Nephilim, which means “fallen ones” when translated into English, were the product of copulation between the divine beings (lit. sons of god) and human women (lit. daughters of Adam).”

Before moving on it seems that I should elucidate that these are not statements by Seventh Day Adventism founder Ellen G. White but rather Ellen White, Ph.D. Hebrew Bible, University of St. Michael’s College and senior editor at the Biblical Archaeology Society. Within her article Who Are the Nephilim? The mysterious beings of Genesis 6, Biblical Archaeology website, January 3, 2016 AD she notes that the Nephilim have an undeserved bad rap, “It was once claimed that the mating of the sons of god and the daughters of Adam that resulted in the Nephilim caused the flood, and this caused the Nephilim to have a negative reputation.”

She also refers to the Nephilim as “the great Biblical giants, ‘the fallen ones’” who “are known as great warriors and Biblical giants…‘heroes of old, the men of renown.’”

She notes that they got a bad rap for two reasons, “This was believed because the next verse (Genesis 6:5) is the introduction to the flood narrative and because their name means ‘fallen ones.’” But, she claims, they are good guys—or, at least not stereotypically evil, etc., “Genesis 6:4 presents nothing but praise for the Nephilim and no criticism is present.”

Thus, she considers the bad rap interpretation to be “unlikely” to be correct and “the name ‘fallen ones’ is likely a reference to their divine paternity transforming—falling—into the human condition, albeit an almost superhuman condition.”

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Well, Genesis 6 has not been discussed for millennia because it is simple and straight forwards. In fact, it contains a lot to unpack such as who are the sons of God, who are the daughters of men, who are the Nephilim, is Nephilim aka for the Gibborim (the term used for “mighty”), when were “those days,” when was “after that,” etc., etc., etc.

Yet, in a way it is straight forwards such that, for example, the Nephilim were “mighty men which were of old, men of renown” and so they are connected to the next verse, the flood narrative, because it states, “GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.” Now, I would not think that this solely refers to the Nephilim but that it does include them and their, subsequent, offspring.
You see, verse 6 states, “it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart” and verse 7, “And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast…”

It may be that the connection between the Nephilim and the flood is that as they had offspring and their offspring had offspring all of humanity, which had yet to spread all over the Earth, would essentially have inherited hybrid genetics. Nephilim were born, “when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them” with a timeline ending at the flood which may be plenty of time for various generations to pass.

Now, I wrote, “ending at the flood” but most people involved in Nephilim (and/or giants) research appeal to various forms of return of the Nephilim ideas—which I do not see within the Bible at all.

But wait, Ellen White notes that “Genesis 6, Ezekiel 32, and Numbers 13 are the only passages that mention the Nephilim by that term.” But if the Nephilim drowned at the flood how do they return so as to make appearances in in Numbers and Ezekiel? Well, this can all get complex and verbose as some claim that more Angels fell and repeated the whole cycle again (which I do not see within the Bible at all) or that Noah’s wife, sons or sons’ wives carried Nephilim genetics through the flood (which I do not see within the Bible at all).

I considered Numbers 13 in detail in the article Did Caleb and the spies see Nephilim giants in the land: the bottom line is that the LORD had told the Hebrews to inhabit the land, the spies discourage them from doing so, Caleb disagrees and encourages them and it is only then when they want to kick the fear mongering up a notch that the other spies claim that they saw the Nephilim. In fact, when Caleb relates the event in Joshua 14:12 he affirms the presence of the Anakim in the land but not the Nephilim.

Ezekiel 32 brings us to a point about etymology since “Nephilim” are not really mentioned therein. Rather, the primitive root whence some think Nephilim comes is found seven times in that chapter and that “Naphal.”

The Strong’s Definitions Legend reads thusly: to fall, in a great variety of applications (intransitive or causative, literal or figurative):—be accepted, cast (down, self, (lots), out), cease, die, divide (by lot), (let) fail, (cause to, let, make, ready to) fall (away, down, -en, -ing), fell(-ing), fugitive, have (inheritance), inferior, be judged (by mistake for 6419), lay (along), (cause to) lie down, light (down), be (× hast) lost, lying, overthrow, overwhelm, perish, present(-ed, -ing), (make to) rot, slay, smite out, × surely, throw down.

As an example of usage: the KJV translates it as follows: fall (318x), fall down (25x), cast (18x), cast down (9x), fall away (5x), divide (5x), overthrow (5x), present (5x), lay (3x), rot (3x), accepted (2x), lie down (2x), inferior (2x), lighted (2x), lost (2x), miscellaneous (22x).

Others think that Nephilim derives from the Aramaic root naphiyla which means giant (whatever that means: keep in mind that the average Hebrew male of those days was 5.5 feet tall).

In any case, Ezekiel 32 contains no reference to fallen Angels offspring, giants, or any such thing—here are all of the text containing naphal:

Verse 12 By the swords of the mighty will I cause thy multitude to fall, [naphal] the terrible of the nations, all of them: and they shall spoil the pomp of Egypt, and all the multitude thereof shall be destroyed.

Verse 20 They shall fall [naphal] in the midst of them that are slain by the sword: she is delivered to the sword: draw her and all her multitudes.

Verse 22-24 Asshur is there and all her company: his graves are about him: all of them slain, fallen [naphal] by the sword: Whose graves are set in the sides of the pit, and her company is round about her grave: all of them slain, fallen [naphal] by the sword, which caused terror in the land of the living. There is Elam and all her multitude round about her grave, all of them slain, fallen [naphal] by the sword, which are gone down uncircumcised into the nether parts of the earth, which caused their terror in the land of the living; yet have they borne their shame with them that go down to the pit.

Verse 27 And they shall not lie with the mighty that are fallen [naphal] of the uncircumcised, which are gone down to hell with their weapons of war: and they have laid their swords under their heads, but their iniquities shall be upon their bones, though they were the terror of the mighty in the land of the living.

Thus, the fact is that we do not know as much about the Nephilim as many would think: they have a bad rap due to being offspring of fallen Angels, they were mighty in some way, that they are renown may mean that various myths and legends tell of them (sometimes describing them as gods or aliens, etc.) that they played a part in the reason for the flood seems contextually certain and that they all drowned in the flood never to reappear seems just as certain.

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