“Professing Themselves To Be Wise, They Became Fools”, part 3 of 5

Ethics/Morals

We state that we are dealing with the issue of “ethics/morals” as homage to a young man who, with his secular chest puffed up, told me that he was not into morals. No indeed! He informed me that he was into ethics. Yes, I had to be the one to inform him that ethics is a body of morals. The issue is that considering just how many sects of secularism there are, which of their ethics/morals are we to follow? Let us look at some of their statements on the issue.

Brights:

“values, ethics, and conduct derive from a naturalistic worldview, free of any supernatural sorts of entities or forces.”1

Humanism:

“without supernaturalism, affirms our ability and responsibility to lead ethical lives of personal fulfillment that aspire to the greater good of humanity.”2

“Humanists believe that moral values are properly founded on human empathy and scientific understanding.”3

Secular Humanism:

“emphasizes reason and scientific inquiry, individual freedom and responsibility, human values and compassion, and the need for tolerance and cooperation.”4

Naturalism:

“Reference to moral or divine purposes has no place in scientific explanations.”5

Rationalism:

 

“aims at establishing a system of philosophy and ethics verifiable by experience, independent of all arbitrary assumptions or authority.”6

Universism:

“Your beliefs and your actions are your responsibility alone…Do what you will, while striving to allow all to do what they will.”7

What could possibly be wrong with urging ethics/morals, especially when they are urged within the context of an absolute rejection of theism and its byproducts? The issue is that, generally speaking, once secularism removes undesired theistic authoritarianism and superstitious ignorance from the realm of ethics/morals they somehow manage to end up with many of the same ethics/morals. One exception would be that secularists generally believe that it is right, good, ethical/moral and certainly legal to brutally murder beautiful, perfectly healthy, innocent, and defenseless human beings. Although, we are supposed to merely term this abortion and refer to it as a women’s rights issue. There are many issues entangled with ethic’s/morality’s reality when viewed form a secular perspective. For example, if ethics/morals are not absolute then we cannot condemn any actions at all, not even the ones perpetrated by evil and oppressive theists. If ethics/morals evolved along with our cognitive abilities then they may be the mere byproduct of the random chemical makeup of our brains and therefore, ultimately arbitrary. Moreover, precisely when did a sufficient distinction take place from ape to man so that we became responsible for ethical/moral behavior? Are apes to be held accountable? Prof. Richard Dawkins (whom I wrote about here) has written, “We are not, then, merely like apes or descended from apes; we are apes,”8 where does this leave us? And if ethics/morals are evolving even now, how do we discern this evolution? According to Prof. Richard Dawkins “it’s in the air” (see here). We certainly could not condemn any past actions since those were the ethics/morals de jour. But how could we condemn an action today if we do not know if it is no longer unethical/immoral? How do I know that an ethical/moral action today will not be unethical/immoral tomorrow? Who will inform us, some great council of secularists? A neo-authoritarianism? A neo-dogmatism? Secularists condemn persecutions by Christians without foundation. Christianity condemns persecutions by Christians with a foundation. When secularists commit evil they violate nothing. When Christians commit evil they violate the moral code.One issue of concern is that we should never base ethics/morals, our worldview, on science because science is constantly changing. In this case ethics/morals are most certainly guaranteed to be tentative. Moreover, considering the absolute authoritarianism and dogmatism that science represents for secularists there is always a danger that the science de jour will end in concepts that are considered unethical/immoral by later generations. Such is the case of eugenics, racism, sexism, social discrimination, mass slaughter, etc. We will consider these issues, as they have been perpetrated by and in the name of, secularism mixed with science in the next section, part 4.

Before moving on, let us consider one very interesting comment from the Freedom From Religion Foundation as they ask and answer an important question:

“Hasn’t religion done tremendous good in the world? Many religionists are good people-but they would be good anyway. Religion does not have a monopoly on good deeds. Most modern social and moral progress has been made by people free from religion-including…Charles Darwin…Most religions have consistently resisted progress-including the abolition of slavery; women’s right to vote and choose contraception and abortion; medical developments such as the use of anesthesia; scientific understanding of the heliocentric solar system and evolution, and the American principle of state/church separation.”9

The obvious and historically verifiable answer would be, “Of course! In every corner of the plant and in every way! Who else has consistently established, funded and administrated hospitals, universities, homeless shelters, adoption agencies, disaster relief organizations, charities, soup kitchens, foster homes, etc., etc., etc.?”

They claim that they would be good anyway. Firstly, we must ask them what good is, since their ethics/morals include the murder of beautiful, perfectly healthy, innocent, and defenseless human babies in unimaginably brutal manners. Secondly, their statement would require omniscience since in no other way could they possibly know that they would be good anyway. They appear to make this statement based on an a priori commitment to the absolute truth of their position: since there is no God, no supernatural agent with the ability to change us, then random chance would have caused these people to become good, somehow and for some reason (or actually no reason at all). And what about bad people, are they destined to be bad? Will it be said of them they would be bad anyway? In this case a viable logical conclusion is that violent/oppressive theists cannot be condemned for merely following what they will be in any case. They also state that religion does not have a monopoly on good deeds even though the question did not imply this, it is merely a zinger of an inference. Then again, some secularists claim that only atheists have pure motives.

They also mention Charles Darwin as an example of a motivator of modern social and moral progress but, as we shall see in the next section, a racist and sexist should hardly be hailed as a positive role model. But perhaps this gives us a window into their concept of good.The last issue to raise at this point is that, just as in any worldview, there is on the one hand, the stated worldview and on the other, what people choose to do in the name of the worldview. For instance, individual Christians, and even Christian movements/churches, may teach racism, persecution, and sexism but they could never viably substantiate these views from the Bible. The simple fact is that people, regardless of chronology, geography, theology or secularism, have consistently resisted progress.

In his debate with John Rankin entitled Evolution and Intelligent Design: What are the issues?, Dan Barker, of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, declared, “Darwin has bequeathed what is good.” In the debate he spends some time explaining that morals can be had without God and that his third generation atheists wife and fourth generation atheist daughter life morally upright lives without God. This may very well be, although I would imagine that it is because they borrow their morals from Christianity as no secular moral concepts have ultimate foundations. The interesting point here is that Dan Barker gives us an insight into just what these morals are:

“I support a woman’s right to choose an abortion. I think it’s a good thing. I think abortion is actually a good thing for society. If I can borrow a religious word, a word that my mother-in-law uses, I think abortion is blessing for many, many, many women.”

There you have it: the brutal murder of innocent and defenseless human beings is moral!
If you are interested in reading more about how Dan Barker deals with the issue of abortion, please see my essay Dan Barker – His Views On Human Dignity.And why not, just consider the words of Prof. Richard Dawkins:

“nature is not cruel, only pitilessly indifferent. This is one of the hardest lessons for humans to learn. We cannot admit that things might be neither good nor evil, neither cruel nor kind, but simply callous-indifferent to all suffering, lacking all purpose.”10

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John Polkinghorne,

Divine Action

Creation, Evil and Time

Natural Theology

Is Destiny beyond Death Credible?

Vinoth Ramachandra, The Science and Theology of Natural Disasters

Nicholas Saunders, Divine Action in Modern Science

Richard Bauckham, Jesus, God and Nature in the Gospels

Denis Alexander,

The Dawkins Delusion, part 1, part 2

Truth Telling in the Practice of Science

Is God a Virus?

Does Evolution have any Religious Significance?

w/ Philip Kitcher, Is Science All We Need? Two Perspectives, part 1, part 2

w/ Janna Levin, Dawkins and the Divine: Is God a Virus of the Mind?, part 1, part 2

Transcending Dawkins’ God: Renewing the Interface between Science and Faith

The Historical Background to the Science-Religion Debate

w/ panel (discussion) God and Biology

R.J. Berry, Evolution and Theology: Are They Connected?

John Bryant, Evolution, Creationism and Intelligent Design

Simon Conway Morris,

If The Evolution of Intelligence is Inevitable, What are the Theological Implications?

Is Biological Evolution Inevitable?

The Cambrian Explosion

Evolution and Fine-Tuning in Biology

Darrel Falk,

Human Evolution

Creationism and Intelligent Design

Human Evolution

Graeme Finlay,

Genesis and Phylogenesis

Human Genetics and the Image of God

Richard Hess, God and Origins: Interpreting the Early Chapters of Genesis

Ard Louis, Evolution and Fine-tuning in Biological Complexity

Kenneth Miller, Chance, Necessity and Evolution

Michael Roberts, From Darwin to Scopes

Michael Ruse, Can a Christian be a Darwinian?

Jeff Schloss,

The “End” of Love: Evolutionary Psychology, Altruism, and Human Purpose

The Evolution of Religion and the Religion of Evolution

Evolutionary Evil and a Good Creation?

Naturalistic Explanations of Religion: Explaining or Explaining Away?

John Hedley Brooke,

Historical Interactions Between Science and Religion, part 1, part 2

Science vs Religion? The Roots of the Conflict Thesis

Should the word “Nature” be eliminated? A Historical Survey

Geoffrey Cantor, The Bible, the Creation and the Inner Light: Tensions within Quaker Science

Allan Chapman, Why Do Scientific Writers Sometimes React Irrationally When Faced With Religion? An Historical Survey From The Reformation To Reductionism

Ted Davis, Science and Religion in the Life of Robert Boyle

Peter Harrison,

The Bible and the Emergence of Modern Science, Lecture, Discussion

The Religious Origins of Modern Science

The Role of the Bible in the Emergence of Modern Science

The Fall of Man and the Foundations of Science

The Doctrine of the Fall and the Epistemological Foundations of Modern Science

Michael Hoskin, Newton and God

Edward Larson, The Reception of Darwism

David Lindberg,

The Mediaeval Church Encounters the Classical Tradition: St Augustine and Roger Bacon

The Florentine Heretic? Galileo, the Church, and the Cosmos

David Livingstone, Evolutionary Theory and Public Spectacle: The Fortunes of Darwinism in the Calvinist Cultures of Victorian Calvinist Edinburgh and Belfast

Ernan McMullin, Was Galileo Guilty?

Jason M Rampelt, Sir Arthur Stanley Eddington (1882 – 1944): Relativity and Dogma

Martin Rudwick, Demythologising the Historical ‘Conflict’ between Geology and Genesis

Nicolaas Rupke, Animal Behaviour and Human Morality in Historical Perspective

Colin Russell,

Science and Faith in the Life of Michael Faraday

Historical Interactions Between Science and Religion, part 1, part 2

John van Wyhe, Darwin’s Loss of Faith

Philip Clayton,

Concepts of Emergence in Science and Religion

Explanation in Science and Religion

Emergence

Lydia Jaeger, The Idea of Law in Science and Religion

Edward Larson, Darwinism, Eugenics and Religion

Tom McLeish, Values and Science – What is Science For?

Mikael Stenmark, The Fallacy of Scientism as a Worldview

John Taylor,

Perspectives on Science – A New Venture in History, Philosophy and Ethics of Science in Post-16 Education

The Truth about Truth: Realism and Relativism. A Workshop in Exploring Philosophical Ideas in the Classroom

Roger Trigg,

The Rationality of Science

Does Religious Belief Need Justification?

The Rationality of Religion

Dean Zimmerman,

Material and Immaterial Persons

God and Time

Katherine Blundell, God and the Big Bang

Andrew Briggs, And Information Has Become Physical

Peter Bussey,

Physical Infinities – A Substitute for God

Does quantum mechanics have any relevance for religious belief?

Barbara Drossel, Complexity, emergence and God

George F. R. Ellis,

Physics and the Real World

A Critique of Multiverses

The Multiverse, Ultimate Causation and God
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Gerald Gabrielse,

God of Antimatter
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Rodney Holder,

The Search for Extra-Terrestrial Life

Is the Universe Designed?

Chris Isham,

Dialogue: Can God Know the Future? Reflections on the Block Universe

Quantum Theory and Being

Simon Mitton, A History of Cosmologies and their Religious Contexts

Gerard Nienhuis, Interpretations of Quantum Theory and Their Implications for Theology

Don Page, Quantum Cosmology and Its Implications for Theology

John Pilbrow, The Impact of Einstein’s Relativity on Christian Thought

John Polkinghorne,

Religion and the Anthropic Principle

The Universe in a Trinitarian Perspective

The Anthropic Principle

Why is Physics Possible?

Quantum Theory, Critical Realism and Religious Belief

Meta-Stories of Fine-Tuning

Critical Realism in Science and Religion

Models for Relating Science and Faith

Models for Relating Science and Religion

Critical Realism in Science and Religion

The Future of the Science-Religion Debate

Can a Scientist Pray?

David Wilkinson, The Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence

John Bryant, Science and Religion: An Overview

Brian Heap,

A Life in Science

Being a Christian in Science

John Houghton, Big Science – Big God

Peter Lipton, Science and Religion: Belief or Commitment?

Alan Padgett, A Mutuality Model for Science and Religion

Wilson Poon, Science and the Hiddenness of God

Eric Priest, Science, Religion and Creativity: A Personal View

Mikael Stenmark, Models for Relating Science and Religion

Roger Trigg,

Can Religion be as Rational as Science?

Science and Religion in the Public Domain

Michael Welker, Science and Religion or Science and Theology

Michael Brooks, Science and Religion in Science Journalism

John Gummer, How Does Parliament Handle the Ethical Issues Raised by Scientific Advances?

David Martin, Does the Advance of Science mean Secularisation? Lecture, Discussion

Martin Redfern, Science and Religion on the Radio

Jonathan Sacks, Power and Responsibility: Science, Humanity and Religion in the 21st Century, Lecture, Discussion

Ernan McMullin, Theologies of Nature

Colin Humphreys,

Science and the Question of Miracles, part 1, part 2

Science and Miracles

Astronomy and the date of the Crucifixion

Science and the dating of the Easter week events

Science and the Star of Bethlehem

Can Scientists Believe in Miracles?, Lecture, Discussion

Ernest Lucas,

Science and the Bible: Are they incompatible? The creation story as a test case
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Genesis and Evolution

God and Origins: Interpreting the Early Chapters of Genesis

Gordon Wenham,

Interpreting Genesis 1-11

Making Sense of Genesis 1-11

Tom Wright,

Can a Scientist Believe the Resurrection?
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The Things That Matter Most:

Skeptic in Chief, Michael Shermer and Ben Wiker on What is Evil (or Good) and Where Does It Come From? Part I

The Birth of Christianity and The Dead Sea Scrolls

NOVA’s The Bible’s Buried Secrets reviewed by biblical archeologist

Faith and Doubt

What Does it Take to Believe in God?

Why People Reject Christianity: Honest Questions about God’s Injustice, Religious Hypocrisy, Biblical “Myths”, and More, part 1, part 2

Does Science Make Belief in God Obsolete – Gary Rosen

What a Million Monkeys Can and Can’t Do – Benjamin Wiker

10 Books That Screwed Up the World – Benjamin Wiker

How the World’s Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind – Roy Varghese

Did Jesus Exist Or Was He Just a Myth? – Paul Maier

New Atheist Crusaders – Becky Garrison

Expelled The Movie – Mark Mathis

How Can We Know What is True – J.P. Moreland

How Reliable Is the Bible – Pat Zukeran

Putting Worldviews to the Credibility Test – Ken Samples

Alister McGrath – A fellow Oxford professor responds to strident atheist, Richard Dawkins’ The God Delusion

Answering Tough Faith Questions

God: The Failed Hypothesis – How Science Shows that God Does Not Exist with Dr. Victor Stenger, part 1, part 2

Did God Write the Bible

The Lost Tomb of Jesus

Can God Forgive Even Jeffrey Dahmer?

Evidence for God within our souls and desires

The Gospel of Judas: Two Experts Weigh In

Secret Gospels: Sorting Through Alternative Christianities

How everything from Shakespeare to the Periodic Table Reveals the Genius and Meaning Woven into Our World

I Don’t Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist

Letter to a Christian Nation, part 1, part 2

Near-Death Experiences: A Christian and Atheist Perspective

The Historical Jesus

Scientific Evidence for Answered Prayers

The Bethlehem Star

Is the Koran the Word of God?

The Prophecies of Nostradamus and the Bible.

Darwin vs. Design – Nancy Pearcey

Am I More Than My Body and My Brain?

Sticks, Stones and Bones…What does archaeology tell us about the reliability of ancient Scriptures?

Does God Answer Prayer?

Science and God: How do you combine the two?

Reasons to Believe – RC Sproul

The Privileged Planet

Is God Real or Imaginary?

Edge of Evolution – Michael Behe

The Case for the Real Jesus

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Adolf Hitler Was a Christian! Was Adolf Hitler a Christian?, part 2

Hitler did not wage “war due to being an Aryan supremacist”

EvilBible.com

We now begin considering a section entitled;
Hitler’s involvement with the Church:
Let us parse this section:

a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.

Note that the title of the section is “Hitler’s involvement with the Church” and not, at least not yet, “This is why Hitler was a Christian.” Thus, we are not yet dealing with the misunderstanding of many who think that baptized as equals is a Christian (although I would imagine that this is the implication).

b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. (On his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved with the monastery’s coat of arms bearing a swastika.)

One can only wonder what this means since she does not elucidate but we are apparently supposed to equate the swastika on the monastery school with the swastika of Nazism. The swastika can be found on ancient artistry from the ancient Indians (“swastika” comes from the Sanskrit “svástika”) to the ancient Native Americans and various cultures in-between. She may be implying that Hitler was giving homage to his monastery school when devising Nazi symbolism. She might as well claim that Hitler has giving homage to Eastern philosophies (which would actually be a much more accurate claim as I evidenced in From Zeitgeist to Poltergeist, Part 8 of 13).

c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.

Again, for now we must leave it at, “Fine. Where are you going with this?”

d) As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

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While we were promised German soldier gleaned gnosis we get a quote from Mein Kampf—perhaps the anecdotal gnosis it to follow.
Yet, this quotation actually makes a very, very important point. No, not about Hitler but about Charlotte and evilbile.com. This is indicative of just how carefully one must read their writings.

Is she actually quoting Adolf Hitler? Yes.

Is she actually quoting Mein Kampf? Yes.

Did Hitler have a love for the church and clergy? Yes (but…).

Does the quote actually imply what she infers? No.

Note that as a citation she offers “Mein Kampf.” This is not very scholarly as it is generic and not helpful for the true skeptic who wants to check out the primary source material—citing an entire book is vague. Note that her quote ends at “…the highest and most desirable ideal.” By ending here she has provided just enough of the quote to seem as if her assertion is thus vindicated. Note that above I wrote “Yes (but…)” which I did because I did something that I hope many people will do; check out the source and read the context.

Just after writing—and I mean the very next words that Hitler wrote after—“…the highest and most desirable ideal” Hitler wrote, “For a time, at least, this was the case…” Do you see why she halted the quote where she did? It is so that it can be made to appear as if Hitler is stating something that he was not. It is as I stated “Did Hitler have a love for the church and clergy? Yes (but…).” Charlotte never got to the “but…” part but I will. Hitler continues by writing:

As it happened, my temporary aspiration for this profession was in any case soon to vanish…

Rummaging through my father’s library, I had come across various books of a military nature…which now became my favorite reading matter It was not long before the great heroic struggle had become my greatest inner experience. From then on I became more and more enthusiastic about everything that was in any way connected with war or, for that matter, with soldiering. But in another respect as well, this was to assume importance for me. For the first time, though as yet in a confused form, the question was forced upon my consciousness: Was there a difference -and if so what difference-between the Germans who fought these battles and other Germans? Why hadn’t Austria taken part in this war; why hadn’t my father and all the others fought?Are we not the same as all other Germans?Do we not all belong together? This problem began to gnaw at my little brain for the first time. I asked cautious questions and with secret envy received the answer that not every German was fortunate enough to belong to Bismarck’s Reich..This was more than I could understand.

As is clear from history: Hitler’s motivation was not religious but racial and nationalistic (National Socialist Party). Thus, his childlike “love for the church and clergy” quickly gave way to his love for nation and race.

This was quoted from Mein Kampf Volume One – A Reckoning” “Chapter I: In The House Of My Parents. If you think that she was misrepresenting the text, imagine what she does with the Bible. Actually, you do not have image, I evidenced it in my parsed essay Atheism, EvilBible.com, “Theists Suck” and Christians are Hypocrites.

Evilbile.com continues Charlotte’s essay thusly:

e) Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church. Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for God” in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.

f) Hitler, Franco and Mussolini were given VETO power over whom the pope could appoint as a bishop in Germany, Spain and Italy. In turn they surtaxed the Catholics and gave the money to the Vatican. Hitler wrote a speech in which he talks about this alliance, this is an excerpt: “The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie.” Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party [brackets in original]

This, and what is to follow, is indicative of something which personages such as Charlotte do not seem to consider: it represents a chaotic concoction of political and theological machinations towards the end of either those in political and religious power or those who sought to gain such power.

Atheism, EvilBible.com, “Theists Suck” and Christians are Hypocrites, part 3 of 6

At this point I must parse Charlotte’s 22 side dishes as she begins to make the fallacy which I mentioned at the beginning of part 1 which discredits the overwhelming majority of all of her arguments from impotent outrage. These are the texts that seek to apply Old Testament laws to Christians. We will group these at the end since it is at the end of her “sermon” that she lays it out in toto.

Let us continue:

4) Ever watch these Christians on television and notice how their bowed heads uniformly shake amen while some evangelist goes on and on in prayer for a ******* hour? Well, repetitious and monotonous praying is in violation of Matthew 6:7. “But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.” [expletive censored]

Strictly speaking, if she wants to condemn repetitive prayer based on this text all I can say is AMEN!!! (I did that myself here).
However, her reasoning is faulty. The text states “when ye pray, use not vain repetitions_for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.”Yet, her example is twofold:

1) Christians who bow their heads and while I am not sure what “shake amen” is I suppose that it is a word picture for nodding whilst saying amen numerous times: this is not repetitive prayer; “amen” denotes repetitive agreement with the various portions of the prayer that they are hearing.
2) The evangelists goes on and on in prayer yet, a long prayer is not condemned it is a prayer that is repeated over and over like a mantra. This is her example, a long prayer, she does not even state that it was repetitive. She wants to condemn it for being “monotonous” yet, the texts says nothing about monotony. There is a complete thought which indicates that the reason that “they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking” is because they are employing “vain repetitions.”

5) Christians are not supposed to take their disputes before non-Christian courts or judges. (“If any of you has a dispute with another, dare he take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the saints?” — 1 Corinthians 6:1 NIV) How interesting! Considering that state is separate from church all courts are supposedly “ungodly”. Does this stop Christians from tying up the supreme court with law suits concerning school prayer, abortion, or numerous other absurdities? Hell no it doesn’t, and my taxes are paying the ******* bill for their hypocrisy! [expletive censored]

Apparently, Charlotte does not know the difference between the Constitution’s “Establishment Clause” and a letter written by Thomas Jefferson but in any regard she may think that she is shaming Christians but she is 2,000 years later as in that very text Paul stated v. 5, 7, 8, “For I speak to your shame_there is already on the whole a failure among you_you do wrong and defraud.”

6) Christian women are supposed to dress discreetly (“…that women should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly attire” –l Timothy 2:9 RSV; and “Let not yours be the outward adorning of braiding of hair, decoration of gold, and wearing of fine clothing”— 1 Peter 3 :3). Violations of these rules are too numerous to mention. Just visualize Tammy Faye Baker’s mascara laden eyes and gold encrusted wrists.

This is certainly a good point to which, again, we can say AMEN!!!

7) Here is perhaps the mother of verses ignored: “Judge not, that ye be not judged” (Matthew 7:1) and “Judge not, and ye shall not be judged, condemn not and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven” (Luke 6:37). I have yet to meet a Christian who has not judged my atheism. The whole world is chalk full of judges, juries, voters, employers, teachers, etc. which are all constantly judging others.

This succinct comment is saturated with fallacy. To begin with; are we really to not judge? Anything? In any way? At all? Ever? How could we judge that the text means?This is another very, very common misconception which arises when people such as Charlotte conveniently selectively quote self-serving portions of texts, she is removing a text from it context to make a pretext for a prooftext.

But first, let us ask whether she missed noticing that two previous texts that she quoted stated, “Judge for yourself” and “dare he take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the saints?” Well, then; let us just say that this is not only hypocrisy but contradiction. Or is it?

Before resolving this issue let us note that even if we grant her misconception it is illogical to apply it to a whole world that is “chalk full of_all constantly judging others” because the whole world is not Christian.Note that Charlotte quoted Matthew 7:1 but if she had read as far as the very next verse her misconception would have been remedied. Perhaps, she did read it but chose not to quote it so as to not let meddlesome facts get in the way of good a nice side of propaganda. In any case, let us read from v. 1 all the way to v. 2,

Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you judge, you will be judged; with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.

Obviously, judge not is in reference to the manner in which you yourself will be judged, v. 3-5 makes this clear,

And why do you look on the splinter that is in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the beam that is in your own eye? Or how will you say to your brother, Let me pull the splinter out of your eye; and, behold, a beam is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First cast the beam out of your own eye, and then you shall see clearly to cast the splinter out of your brother’s eye.

I guess that in calling Christian hypocrites Charlotte was quoting Jesus!

Or consider Luke 6:37,

Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you shall be forgiven.

Jesus makes this point all the clearer when He, Himself, commands us to judge,

Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment (John 7:24).

Paul also elucidates this point in writing,

Therefore you are without excuse, O man, everyone who judges; for in that in which you judge another, you condemn yourself, for you who judge do the same things (Romans 2:1).

Furthermore, we are clearly called to discern, test, and judge, prophets, spirits and all things,

“Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge” (1st Corinthians 14:29).One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is “discerning of spirits” (1st Corinthians 12:10).

“Test all things; hold fast what is good. Abstain from every form of evil” (1st Thessalonians 5:19-22).

Thus, we cannot judge according to appearance nor judge a person’s motivations since only God knows the heart,

for the Lord searches all hearts and understands all the intent of the thoughts (1st Chronicles 28:9).

Above, Charlotte had missed that Jesus calls us to judge our own conflicts rather than going before the courts,

And why, even of yourselves, do you not judge what is right? For as you go with your adversary to the judge, give pains in the way to be set free from him, lest he drag you to the judge, and the judge deliver you to the officer, and the officer cast you into the prison. (Luke 12:57-58).

Moreover, we are called to judge doctrine and hold false teachers accountable by making them known by name,

But if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed (Galatians 1:8-9).

Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them (Romans 16:17).

And their messages will spread like cancer. Hymenaus and Philetus are of this sort (2nd Timothy 2:17).

Alexander the coppersmith did me much harm. May the Lord repay him according to his works (2nd Timothy 4:14).

I wrote to you in my epistle no to keep company with sexually immoral people. Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; not even to eat with such a person. For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? But those who are outside God judges. Therefore put away from yourselves the evil person (1st Corinthians 5:9-13).

Thus, Charlotte’s atheism may be judged as it denotes a falsehood and Christians are allowed to pass judgment within the parameters laid out in the Bible.

And so we will trod on next time-stay tuned.

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“The Lost Tomb of Jesus”, part 2 of 10

Sensationalistic Claims – The Hype is RipeDSC states,

“The documentary includes dramatic recreations, based on the latest historical evidence, illustrating accurate images of Jesus of Nazareth, his family, his followers, his ministry, his crucifixion and his entombment.”1

It is granted, given the lowly state of The Da Vinci Culture, that the most half-baked theory backed by the least amount of evidence is exalted beyond the incredible amount of evidence supporting the New Testament’s reliability-this is a substandard double standard. Thus, this documentary depicts, in living color, Jesus and His family, something which is, as we shall see below, simply unfounded. In this case, the latest historical evidence is the fanciful imaginations of the documentary’s storytellers. This is where a documentary goes from simply showing us what was found to weaving stories based on personal interpretation of evidence.

Simcha Jacobovici states,

“An incredible archaeological discovery in Israel changes history and shocks the world. Tombs with the names The Virgin Mary, Jesus of Nazareth, Mary Magdalene and Judah, their son, are found and an investigation begins.”2

The problem with this claim is that it is a good old fashioned overstatement. This is not surprising since the quote came from his website’s homepage. Apparently, it is supposed to peak your interest. However, accuracy is always important. Let us consider the claim, “changes history,” how so? “shocks the world,” shocks with accurate revelation or with shock at weak evidence and imaginative storytelling?

We are then told that the tombs are inscribed with the names “The Virgin Mary, Jesus of Nazareth, Mary Magdalene and Judah, their son.” But the fact is: “No” on the first claim, “No” on the second, “No” on the third and “No” on the fourth.

“The Virgin Mary” was not found but rather, “Maria,” with no indication of who she was nor whether or not she was a virgin.

“Jesus of Nazareth” was not found but rather, “Yeshua bar Yosef” Jesus son of Joseph-it may be Jesus of Talpiot, Jesus of Jerusalem, Jesus of Fresno, etc.).

“Mary Magdalene” was not found but rather, “Mariamne”-“Magdalene” denotes her being from Magdala, but again, this could be Mary from elsewhere. One reason that Mariamne is interpreted to be Mary Magdalene is that “Mariamne e Mara” is said to mean “Mary the Master.”At least it is said to mean that within the confined of the documentary. However, the original scholars who worked on the site, and who are sited as sources on DSC’s website, are of a different opinion.

In his “Catalogue of Jewish Ossuaries,” L.Y. Rahmani translates “Mariamne e Mara” as “of Mariamne, who is (also called) Mara.” He also notes that “Mara” is “a contraction of the name Martha.” And that “e” is “used in cases of double names.”

Likewise, in his “A Tomb With Inscribed Ossuaries in East Talpiyot, Jerusalem,” Amos Kloner translates “Mariamne e Mara” as “of Mariamene, [also called] Mara.” And likewise states, “Mara, a contraction of the name Martha, is used here as a second name.”Richard Bauckham makes the following statement,

“‘Mara’ in this context does not mean Master. It is an abbreviated form of Martha. probably the ossuary contained two women called Mary and Martha (Mariamne and Mara).”3

“Judah, their son” was not found but rather, “Yehuda bar Yeshua” or “Judah the son of Jesus”-there is absolutely no indication that it was the son of Jesus and Mary Magdalene, or even this Yehuda and this Mariamne; in this regard my essay “Their Own Whims and Lusts” Liberal Scholars and Jesus’ Marriage may be of interest.

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The documentary’s narrator asks, “Why didn’t anyone take notice of these names?” Considering that they tomb was found two decades ago.
They did, and they found them to be generic and inconclusive. This is actually something that the documentary goes on to firmly establish by citing various scholars.

Also, what are we to make of “Matia,” (Matthew)? Who is he to the family? It is inferred that since there are Matthew-like names in the genealogy in the Gospel of Luke (which according to James Tabor, “people don’t notice it much,” see below). At this point, it may be advantageous to mention that it appears that the way in which the documentary explains various discrepancies in the evidence is by plugging them into their preconceive notions. In other words, instead of the evidence informing the theory it appears that the theory is manipulating the evidence. If we say, “Well, certainly there is a New Testament character, in fact the author of a Gospel, that is named Matthew. This must be him.” Please do keep in mind that as appealing or even as correct as this may be; we are simply inventing 2,000 year old history right off of the tops of our 21st century heads merely in order to force a piece of evidence to fit our preconceived theory.

Clearly, what Simcha Jacobovici presented us on his website is a perfect example of mixing the evidence with a personal interpretation which is then retold as if it was what the inscriptions actually stated.

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Another “debate” on morality with an atheist, part 3 of 4

I responded thusly:

I am not sure if you cannot identify a rhetorical device when you encounter one or if you are being sarcastic. Obviously, or so I thought, I was attempting to get you to elucidate because you did no “show” anything—you merely presented some assertions and I was asking why those assertions are valid and or upon what they were premised.

Moreover, you are incorrect in stating that “so much for the xian claim of atheists having no moral code,” this is not the claim, the claim is that you have no premise beyond your personal preferences.

Furthermore, the concept of Christian morality being based on someone watching and dictated by rewards and threats of punishment is an atheist myth based on atheist’s presuppositions and prejudice. How do you know why a Christian does or does not do something? Can you read thoughts? Can you discern motivations?

I then succinctly explained what I drew out in the Red Light essay and ended this way,

You make assertions about morality but I am trying to understand why, what is behind them, on what are they premised? Simply stating something to the likes of you should be “moral” because you should be “moral” and morality is preserving humanity just does not cut the proverbial mustard.

His next response was a more typical, of him, ramble for a few pages session but here are the most relevant portions:

…if stuff like empathy, the golden rule, or the well-being of future generations of people doesn’t count then it’s apparent that those are not things that you’re concerned about…I guess empathy, consequentialist morality and thinking of the survival of the human race are just “assertions” to you then?

Is preserving humanity not “valid” enough?…”Personal”? Is the survival of the human race merely a personal preference? Theists…have no sense of morality at all…

You spent a lot of time trying to question where atheists get “our” morality from, but you’ve never really explained where you get yours from (ie. what’s God’s rational for the laws of morality he passed down?)

He then finished off with PZ Myers this, flat-earther that and Dover trial the other (see here for flat-earth info). Note that he is, I would imagine, responding emotively by stating, “if stuff like empathy, the golden rule, or the well-being of future generations of people doesn’t count.” They count towards the survival of the human race but does not explain why that should be our goal and our premise for morality.

Then he attempts to side track me by bringing up God again; I call it attempted side tracking because he obviously wants to copy and paste his favorite well within the box atheist talking point de jour.

I noted, in part:

…I am afraid that you are misunderstanding me. Please do not confuse my questions and my requests for further elucidation for disagreement. I agree with your moral assertions but you have not provided any premise for them. You are stating what we should do but not stating why. Empathy, the golden rule, the well-being of future generations, etc. are not reasons, they are assertions.

For example, you stated “Is preserving humanity not ‘valid’ enough?” Valid as what? It may be a goal and something that we ought to strive for but it is not a valid reason since it is not a reason at all…

He then rambled on about the Bible and then wrote, “So, the well-being of future generations is not a reason? Then nothing possibly can be then, I guess. If that isn’t a valid reason for you, then what would be?” then back to God this and God that sort of stuff, creationists this, flat-earther that, etc.

And with that, well, that was about that.

I will wrap it up in the next segment.

Freethought Without Forethought? Part 2: How do freethinkers know what is true?

This section begins by stating:

“Clarence Darrow once noted, ‘I don’t believe in God because I don’t believe in Mother Goose.”

Sadly, this is indicative of the level at which vast amounts of atheistic literature is written in the image of our sound-byte, pull-quote, gotcha, pop-culture. Apparently, if Mr. Darrow could be convinced that Mother Goose existed he would then also believe in God. Moreover, no one has ever claimed that Mother Goose is real or plays any role whatsoever in the universe. The existence or non-existence of Mother Goose is irrelevant and so this is a category mistake. William Lane Craig’s arguments against the Flying Spaghetti Monster is applicable to Mother Goose as well. I cannot believe that I just had to write such a sentence-Flying Spaghetti Monsters and Mother Goose, oi vey!-but that would merely be my argument from personal incredulity.

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The tract continues:

“Freethinkers are naturalistic. Truth is the degree to which a statement corresponds with reality. Reality is limited to that which is directly perceivable through our natural senses or indirectly ascertained through the proper use of reason.”

Again, we hit dogmatic barriers: your reason is not allowed to ascertain anything that is not absolute naturalism. Apparently, anything else would not be “proper.”

The tract continues thusly:

“Reason is a tool of critical thought that limits the truth of a statement according to the strict tests of the scientific method. For a statement to be considered true it must be testable (what evidence or repeatable experiments confirm it?), falsifiable (what, in theory, would disconfirm it, and have all attempts to disprove it failed?), parsimonious (is it the simplest explanation, requiring the fewest assumptions?), and logical (is it free of contradictions, non sequiturs, or irrelevant ad hominem character attacks?).”

It would be rather refreshing if Dan Barker and the FFRF would put their own statements to this test.

For instance, Dan Barker wrote:

“the real drive behind the antiabortionists: misogyny. I don’t believe that any one of them cares a hoot for a fetus.”1

This statement is indeed testable and falsifiable: we could ask a pro-life proponent why they support that particular view, if they answer with anything but “misogyny” the statement has been falsified. We can do this on the spot with me as a volunteer: I am pro-life, or “antiabortionists” as Dan Barker terms it, and am concerned about beautiful, innocent and defenseless human beings, or “fetus” as people who want to conveniently narrow the argument and dehumanize babies term it. The test results are that the statement has been falsified.

The parsimonious criteria is a bit contrived particularly when consider that it is likely based on the concept of Ockham’s Razor – but be aware that the razor cuts both ways (see here and here).

Is it logical? Dan Barker claims to know why approximately 166,879,663 people (this just in America) are pro-life when he surely could not provide one single shred of evidence to prove his claim (see Dan Barker’s Views On Human Dignity for more on this issue). No wonder he states that his shockingly cynical, pessimistic and besmirching statement is something that he believes. All of this is not surprising however, considering that this is the very same Dan Barker who in his debate with John Rankin stated,

“Darwin has bequeathed what is good.”

As well as,

I think abortion is a blessing.”

Above, we noted that he also mentioned “irrelevant ad hominem character attacks” (of course, this is redundant since ad hominems are character attacks). In his self-published book, Losing Faith In Faith, Dan Barker wrote a chapter entitled “Ministers I Have Known,” which is nothing but ad hominems. He refers to these ministers “perspiring,” “waving their hankies,” “shouting,” “prancing about,” “ruling their churches like little kingdoms.” One he besmirches for being “overweight,” yet another for being “skinny.” One is a Mexican who has 12 children “!” He also employed the ad hominid above in his beliefs about pro-lifers: he was besmirching their character and motivations rather than dealing with the issue.
Moreover, he also makes another comment that is about as childish as the one which he approvingly quoted about Mother Goose:

“I have a friend who says if you were to take all the preachers in the world and lay them end to end, it would be a good idea just to leave them there.”

Once it has been demonstrated by the scientific method that the scientific method is the test of the truth of a statement Dan Barker can claim that this is the criteria that we are to utilize. Until such time he cannot hold his rigidly controlled sect of Freethinkers to a standard to which he does not adhere.

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