VIDEO: Atheism Explained and Exposed: Atheism itself

Atheism Explained and Exposed: Atheism itself.

This is from a lecture I presented at the EMNR “Myth Taken” conference May 2015 AD. It is titled “Atheism Explained and Exposed” and covers the issues of truth, morality, science, the problem of evil and Atheism itself.

Sadly, the audio goes from bad to worse.

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Which Jesus?, Part 1 – Introduction

This essay present a mere sampling of the many false Jesus Christs of various religious groups. When Jesus is not specifically mentioned I have quoted from their general concept of God.

In this regard, it may be interesting to note what the Barna Group has written:

Americans Wrestle with an Imaginary Jesus

The nature of people’s interacting with Jesus is a central focus of a new book by Matt Mikalatos, entitled Imaginary Jesus. In that story the main character encounters a wide variety of characters who claim to be Jesus, but who actually represent our diverse and ever-changing depictions of who we want Jesus to be and the roles we want Him to fill for our personal benefit. In his take on America’s theological confusion about their savior, Mikalatos gently and humorously exposes the errant views of Jesus that have undermined people’s perspectives about faith, morality, relationships and life purpose.

In his fast-paced, not-quite-true but not-quite-false story, Mikalatos provides a deceptively serious and significant inspection of how Americans’ views of Jesus and how we remake Him into our desired mold before we discard Him in order to move on to our next need.
Introducing us to some of the countless Jesus characters we fabricate for our personal use – ranging from “King James Jesus,” “Magic 8-ball Jesus” and “Testosterone Jesus” to “Free Will Jesus,” “New Age Jesus” and “Meticulous Jesus” – this wild ride pushes the reader to consider the relationship and communication we have with Jesus – the relationship that two-thirds of Americans claim to have firmly in place and the communication that three out of five Americans say influences how they live.1

Find Amazon Matt Mikalatos books here.

Part 2 – Eastern Mysticism: Krishna Consciousness / Hare Krishna Maharishi Mahesh Yogi – Transcendental Meditation Paramahansa Yogananda – Self-Realization Fellowship Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh Baba Ram Dass – Hanuman Foundation / Lama Foundation Daheshism Krishnamurti – The Theosophical Society Eckankar

Elizabeth Clare Prophet – Church Universal and Triumphant

Part 3 – The Three Sai Babas and New Age: Sri Sai Baba of Shirdi Sathya Sai Baba Prema Sai Baba Western Yogi Christopher Hills Shirley MacLaine

Ashtar Command

Part 4 – Asian and Middle Eastern: Sun Myung Moon – Unification Church Reiki Gnostic Pantheism / Gospel of Thomas Infancy Gospel of Thomas Gospel of Judas Baha’i Faith

Judaism

Part 5 – Islam and Nation of Islam: Islam

Nation of Islam

Part 6 – Aberrant Christian Groups: Jehovah’s Witnesses – Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society Mormonism – The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints

Christian Science

Part 7 – Word Faith: Frederick K.C. Price Kenneth Copeland Paul Billheimer Kenneth Hagin Morris Cerullo Charles Capps

Benny Hinn

Part 8 – Miscellaneous: Unity School of Christianity Religious Science – Science of Mind Rosicrucian Fellowship Unitarian Universalism

Native American

Part 9 – Biblical Christianity:

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Islam / Muslim : Muhammad and Jesus, part 1 of 10

Islam considers both Muhammad and Jesus to have been prophets of Allah. This is an introduction to a ten part series which will consider their similarities and differences.

This essay is parsed thusly:

Part 1: Introduction Part 2: Heavenly Bliss Part 3: Virgin Birth Affirmed Part 4: Regarding Wives Part 5: Muhammad’s Sins? Part 6: Divinely Approved War and Curses Part 7: Regarding Miracles Part 8: Jesus’ and Muhammad’s Revelation and Mission Part 9: Jesus’ and Muhammad’s Heavenly Journey

Part 10: Intercession

Introduction

Some of the distinctions between Muhammad and Jesus are as follows:

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The segments to follow will consider some of these in detail.

Ravi Zacharias has interestingly and succinctly pointed out some of the distinctions:

“There is much more that can be said by way of contrast between the lives of Mohammed and Jesus.

Mohammed’s marriages to eleven wives have been a fascinating subject for Muslim scholars to explain. Whatever else a marriage does or does not prove, it clearly established the gradual need to die to one’s self so that the two can become one. It is a process of failing and picking up, never one of perfection.

But even if one were to grant all of the strained explanations for Mohammed’s practices, included in which is the embarrassing Koranic description of heaven as ‘wine and women’ (Surah 78:32ff, which Muslims dismiss as metaphorical), there is never even a hint in the life of Jesus that He was ever driven by sensuality or needed to seek forgiveness for anything.

Jesus alone emerges as the spotless One, untainted by any error of omission or commission. It should also be noted that this contrast is not only evident in the way Jesus and Mohammed lived, but also in the way they understood their call.

So different is this sense of origin and call that, by Islam’s own accounts, when Mohammed first claimed to have received revelations, he was confused and not sure what it meant. It was others who told him that this could be the voice of God speaking to him.

Jesus on the other hand, knew exactly who He was and from whence He came.”1

Islam / Muslim : Muhammad and Jesus, part 10 of 10 ›

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Sense 8 Netflix LGBTQ show

Thus far, I have just caught just one episode of the Netflix show “Sense 8” so I do not know very much about it but can comment on that which I have seen and I have seen enough to know that I need see no more.

There were two references to homosexuality within three and a half minutes into the show which, minus the intro, is about one minute into the show. Oh by the way, no, the show is not about homosexuality but is supposed to be a drama/mystery/sci-fi. One issue is that, as per below, homosexuals know that this is an LGBT show but I did not know that and I watched the episode based on my interest in mystery/sci-fi although not so much in drama. Thus, many are sucked into the show based on a faulty premise and end up having homosexual propaganda and anti-Christian hate speech shoved down their throats.

The show is described by the Internet Movie Database as, “A group of people around the world are suddenly linked mentally, and must find a way to survive being hunted by those who see them as a threat to the world’s order.” This somehow ends up in a show all about the righteousness of homosexuality whilst encouraging Christaphobic hate speech.

By six minutes and thirty second another reference is made along with two references about just how bad Christian parents are. One of the point made is that pride is not a sin because, of course, the homosexuals celebrate Gay Pride and the Bible condemns both Gay and Pride so since the homosexual turns same sex attraction into a worldview they have to conclude that the Bible is wrong because they chose to carry out a homosexual lifestyle.

The triumphant moment is when a homosexual rejects her parents, rejects Biblical theology and announces her determination to march in a Gay Pride parade. Now, she feels even more prideful by thinking of herself as a martyr who is standing up not only for herself but for other homosexuals. Since she was specifically referencing Thomas Aquinas, she ends a bit of self-congratulatory monologue with “So, **** yourself Aquinas” and this, merely because Aquinas had noted that pride is a sin which it cannot be because our politically correct culture de jour commands that pride the celebrated.

The “she” who monologue, Nomi, was born a “he” and had a sex change operation aka sex reassignment surgery. Thus, a man because a woman and ended up with a lesbian sex partner.

Then, at just past t=11:00 the issue of a homosexual not being allowed to visit her lesbian sex partner is raised.
Within this context, a fictional movie is reference which is titled, “Love has not boundaries but death.” Get it? Since “Love has not boundaries” then homosexuality is perfectly acceptable. The movie’s male protagonist is actually a hunk of an actor and a big deal is made about the beautiful babe with whom he shows up to the primer. However, guess what, he is secretly a homosexual—oh no! He is secretly involved in a lifestyle that is literally celebrated by the throwing of parades and against which you can say nothing without risking losing your job, your business, your good name, etc. since we have no freedom of speech but fear of speech in this new McCarthy era…so, what is the problem, exactly, with him being gay?

Now, when a woman who is interested in him shows up at his residence and precedes to take her clothes of, he tells her that his heart belongs to another but she could care less and states that this is “just a little harmless sex.” How sadly indicative of our post-Christian culture which views sex as nothing but the mashing together of two, or more, bio-organisms. Well, his gay sex partner was hidden away in the bedroom and when she barges in and finds him she just makes the next do-what-thou-wilt based decision and wants to have sex with both of them. Welcome to the utter sexuality perverse depravity which shows such as Sense8 celebrates. She calls this moral nightmare a “dream come true.”

There is also a scene wherein a character picks up a magazine about mastering the tarot directly after which he is told that we all experience many births and death thus, reincarnation.

On July 6, 2015 AD, So So Gay Magazine published “You should know about: Sense8” wherein “Jordan Hogan explains why you should be watching the new series ‘Sense8’ on Netflix.”
It notes that “the popularity of LGBT themed television has become increasingly popular.” In fact, I do not have cable or satellite but merely broadcast TV and virtually every single show regardless of genre always (and in a statistically impossible manner) includes reference to homosexuality (and always in a positive light: they are always healthy, happy, well off, well educated, etc.).

It is also noted that “ Sense8 is a new LGBT themed TV show created by J. Michael Straczynski and the Wachowskis, masterminds behind The Matrix trilogy.” Well, the referenced “the Wachowskis” used to be known as the “Wachowski brothers” consisting, as they did, of Andrew Paul “Andy” Wachowski and Laurence “Larry” Wachowski yet, Larry underwent a sex change operation aka sex reassignment surgery and is now “Lana Wachowski.”
As for the Wachowskis being “masterminds behind The Matrix trilogy” the fact is that Sophia Steward is the mastermind, she is depicted as the oracle within the franchise, see here for the background and a review of her script for Matrix IV.

So So Gay states that Sense8 is “about love” with love, apparently, being whatever one wants to make of it and that “there’s quite a lot of sex throughout the series, but it’s not like any Game of Thrones fans will be shocked by this.” Thank you for giving us a reason to never bother watching Game of Thrones!

They note “If you like to see naked bodies (cleverly shot to obscure full nudity)” actually, in the episode in view there is some sexual nudity at t=21:35.

To a video which was a “Sense8 | Cast Hangout Interview” I wrote the following comment:

I can certainly empathize with wanting to support a show that caters the LGBT lifestyle choice but am unsure about whether a show that so blatantly expressed Christophobia via hate speech should go without criticism of its lack of tolerance in not celebrating diversity.

A certain “blackham” replied:

The show doesn’t attack religion. Rather it defends itself against people that impose/force their religious beliefs on others and use slurs such as “faggot”, “dyke” ” nigger” “tranny” in order to discriminate against others, it teaches people to love each other through its themes such as the use of the coloured rainbow, and the relationship/friendships you see between the main characters even though they’re each from very different worlds.
Their abilities are also meant to show that if we work together as one unit and combine our skills, we can do anything.

I replied in turn with:

Friend, so in other words the show defends itself against people that impose/force their religious beliefs on others and use slurs in order to discriminate against others by using Christophobic slurs in order to discriminate against others. It teaches people to love each other as long as they agree. Apparently, their abilities are meant to show how from very different worlds can all be hateful and have other people defend them for being hateful.

And that is as far as it went.

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I thought to begin keeping a chronicle of the times when I encounter LGBTQ sexuality on TV, movies, music videos, etc. but have realized that such as task would be a full time job.
I do not even have cable or satellite but only broadcast TV and still am deluged with LGBTQ sexuality—I cannot even imagine what is occurring on cable, satellite, Netflix, etc. Also, I do not watch raunchy movies nor pop music videos so I assume that I am missing A LOT.

That being said, I ask: why can we not watch TV, a movie, a music video, etc. without having LGBTQ sexuality shoved down our throats?

Roman Catholicism – Was Peter the Rock? Was Peter the First Pope?

This essay will consider whether the apostle Peter was appointed to be the rock the first Pope.

Also, see my archive of Roman Catholic related essays here.

Let us begin by considering the primary text to which appeal is made in discussing the claim that Jesus appointed Peter as Pope:

When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?” So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on Earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on Earth will be loosed in heaven” (Matthew 16:13-20).

Generally, and for some odd reason, when this text is referenced in this regard the rest of the context is not considered,

Then He commanded His disciples that they should tell no one that He was Jesus the Christ. From that time Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things form the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day.
Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!” But He Turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men” (Matthew 16:21-23).

Note that Roman Catholic scholar Jean de Launoy (1603-1678) conducted a survey of the Church Fathers through the 12th century which found that: 8 thought that the apostles (plural) were the rock 16 thought that Christ himself was the rock 17 thought that Peter was the rock

44 thought that Peter’s confession was the rock

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It would be elucidating if we could ask the at least one New Testament writer how he understood Jesus’ words to Peter as this would provide historical context. As it turns out we known how the Matthew text was understood at that time. Whom did they believe was the rock? Did they understand that they were under Peter’s Papacy?
Here are Paul’s answers:

I consider that I am not at all inferior to the most eminent apostles (2nd Corinthians 11:5).

How could Paul not be inferior to the Pope?

by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. This is the “stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.” Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved (Acts 4:11-12).

Clearly, Jesus is the chief cornerstone.

For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves. Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.
So now, brethren, I commend you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and give you and inheritance among all those who are sanctified (Acts 20:29-32).

To whom does Paul commend the flock? To Peter? To Peter the rock? To Peter the rock, the Pope? To the Papacy? To the Vatican? To even the Bishopric? No, rather to God and to the word of His grace.

For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ (1st Corinthians 3:11).

The foundation is laid on Jesus Himself.

they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ (1 Corinthians 10:4).

A clear identification of “the Rock.”

you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord (Ephesians 2:19-20).

Now the fuller picture comes into focus: The ultimate foundation, the chief cornerstone, is Jesus Himself and upon this foundation are built the household of God is built upon apostles and prophets. In fact, Paul wrote that “Christ is head of the church” (Ephesians 5:23).

Note also that if Peter was the Pope and was known to be the Pope; why do the apostles argue about who is greater (Matthew 18:1, 20:20-26; Mark 10:35-43)?

Now, what if we could ask Peter himself how he understood what Jesus had told him?
We have his answer:

The elders who are among you I exhort, I who am a fellow elder (1st Peter 5:1).

Here Peter is affirming his equal standing; he did not see himself as Pope with supreme authority over any other elder.

Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture, “Behold, I lay in Zion a chief cornerstone, elect, precious, and he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame. Therefore, to you who believe He is precious; but to those who are disobedient, The stone which the builders reject has become the chief cornerstone, and a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense (1 Peter 2:4-8).

Peter clearly considered Jesus to be the rock, the stone, a chief cornerstone, upon which a spiritual house, a holy priesthood is based.

Now, let us take a closer look at Matthew 16:18 where Jesus says, “you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church.”
In Greek there are two words to which we must pay special attention since the text thus reads, “you are Petros, and on this petra I will build My church.”

Petros is a masculine word and petra is feminine.

Petros is something like a piece of rock or stone and petra is a rock like a bolder.

Thus, there is a clear distinction in the Greek text between masculine and feminine as well as a distinction between a pebble and a bolder (or a little piece of a rock and a massive rock).

In Spanish this distinction is likewise clear since Peter/Petro is Pedro and rock/petra is piedra.

But, says the Roman Catholic apologist, Jesus was likely speaking in Aramaic and thus, would have said, “you are Kepha, and on this kepha I will build My church.” So, says the Roman Catholic apologist, there is no distinction and Jesus is clearly stating that Simon is to be known as Kepha and upon Kepha He will build His church.

However, context determines meaning. What if I were to write the following sentence?
“I love my wife, I love my dog and I love ice-cream.” Perhaps an archaeologist would find my sentence 2,000 years from now and think that I was quite disturbed since I love my wife, dog and ice-cream just the same, in the same way; after all I used the same English word for all three.

But maybe, just maybe, a fellow researcher, a linguist perhaps, would explain that while in twenty-first century North American English there was one word love, it actually was used to describe various emotions and intensities. She may explain that context determines meaning.
They may even find more of my writing in which I state, “I love ice-cream because of its sweet flavor and smooth texture,” “I love my dog because she is the mellowest and cutest Chihuahua,” and “I love my wife because she is one flesh with me, she is my best friend, my sweetheart and mother of our children.” Now there would be more context upon which to interpret just what I meant when I used the very same English word to describe my feelings towards ice-cream, my dog and my wife.
This is precisely the case with the New Testament.

As an aside: the inspired New Testament has come to us in the Greek language in which there is a clear distinction between the name that Simon is given and the object upon which the church will be built.

Context does what I term: expand. If a verse is not clear enough; read the verse before and after it. If it is still not clear enough; read the whole chapter. If it is still not clear enough; read the chapter before and after it. If it is still not clear enough; read the entire book. If it is still not clear enough; read the book before and after it. If it is still not clear enough; read the whole Bible. If it is still not clear enough seek further assistance.

The fact that the New Testament offers a wealth of context for understanding what was meant by Peter and rock, from further words of Jesus, other apostles as well as Peter himself, ultimately means that a discussion of this issue will be hampered by discussing Matthew 16 alone as far as it would be to dislodge the verse from its greater context.

Peter is one of the bricks, as it were, upon which the priesthood of all believers is built yet, he is not the rock, nor the Pope, nor even a more exalted elder; he was a blessed apostle.

Dialogue on the Resurrected Body, part 1

Wow! I call that some fancy footwork. You lay great emphasis on the word body and the fact that the metaphors he used are about physical things. But what else could he use as a metaphor but a physical thing? That’s why we use metaphors in describing spiritual reality, because spiritual reality is not describable otherwise!! Here is my assessment of what happened at the resurrection of Christ. Christ definitely did appear to the apostles, almost certainly to Peter first. The affect of these appearances was electrifying to the apostles and transformed them spiritually. Christ had fulfilled his promise and had arisen on the third day. This belief is obviously from the very beginning of Christianity and acted as the catalyst to the spread of Christ’s message. When the apostles began spreading the word that Christ had arisen the Jews may have objected that if so where was his empty tomb? The apostles knew that the resurrection was spiritual and not physical (as 1 Cor 15 clearly reads but I won’t argue that with you and will let anyone else who reads it decide for themselves) and this objection of the Jews didn’t concern them since they were bringing a new message from God and not just confirming the Jews preconceptions (for example they also had no answer for the Jews objection that the Messiah would deliver them from their oppressors.)

But over time later Christians were bothered by this question and so the writers of the Gospels attempted to answer it by introducing the empty tomb into resurrection accounts. Note that these accounts were all written after the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 CE and also after the original apostles had died. Which means their accounts were acts of faith rather than accounts of eyewitnesses.

Finally I would like to quote the following verse:

Matthew 28:19 – ‘Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.’

If the risen Christ had actually spoken these words, why doesn’t Paul mention this clear baptismal formula anywhere in his epistles. In Galatians 3:27 he merely mentions being baptized in Christ. It simply cannot be that such a clear formula on the part of the risen Christ would not even be mentioned by Paul! But it is also clearly a doctrinal formulation that came considerably latter than the time of Christ.
This is just to say that the resurrection accounts cannot be relied on as literal eyewitness accounts of what actually happened that first Easter.

Thanks for checking back and for your comments. I did not lay great emphasis on the body/body comparison—Paul did.

I think that you are missing the point that he is very clearly comparing body with body.

I hope that you do not mind a pointed statement as the following is not meant to be an ad hominem but a dissection of a thought process. I do not simply assume that you are not erudite enough to handle the issue fairly. This is a message urging you to please slow down and reconsider carefully:

Upon your very first reading of Paul’s epistles, and I suspect that you may have had your mind made up already, you topple 2,000 years worth of scholarship. And I would further imagine that this was done without consulting any of that scholarship: no commentary/interpretation, nor any lexicon, nor any concordance, nor any cultural/historical context, nor any greater grammatical/textual context. [FYI: I knew that it was his first reading of Paul’s epistles because he had said so in an earlier discussion]

For examples, from cultural/historical context you would know that the idea that the “Messiah would deliver them from their oppressors” was an option (perhaps preferred whilst under Roman rule) yet, the Rabbinic literature is clear that one Messiah could comes twice (once to suffer and die and once to conquer and rule) or that two Messiah’s could come one after the other (one to suffer and die and the other to conquer and rule—I will be posting on Judaism and Christianity later this year). [FYI: this info is now posted here]

You disregard the very many texts to which I pointed which make the physical resurrection extremely clear. And yet you disregard these because you have invent a history without any evidence whatsoever, no ancient histories, nor manuscripts, but merely a “Here is my assessment of what happened” and now this assessment is more authoritative than the neglected 2,000 worth of scholarship.

You reference 1st Corinthians 15 which states:

Christ died… He was buried… He rose again… He was seen… He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present [this means: go ask them]… He was seen… He was seen… He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen. And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up—if in fact the dead do not rise. For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable. But now Christ is risen from the dead… If the dead do not rise, “Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die!”… But someone will say, “How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?” Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies…

All flesh is not the same flesh…

From here he goes on to describe what I elucidated in the post above [meaning Flesh and Blood or Spirit?].

Yet, this is irrelevant because you want to say that the text is not stating and you declared that you do not want to discuss it, a sure sign of a problematic doctrine—you have, in fact, created your very own dogma.

Lastly, having invented theology and history without historical or textual evidence, you do something that is sadly typical of various groups: eisegesis/isogesis. You are now taking your preconceived notions and reading them back into the text. You are, pardon the term but, desperately searching for the tiniest little crumb upon which to form your loaf. You are inventing an entire scenario including conspiratorial rewritings of history by false witnesses.

I could just as easily reverse your history and invent my own:

“The apostles saw Jesus physically resurrected. But then, much, much later Paul, who was, after all, the apostle to the Gentiles, found it hard to get the Gentiles to swallow a physically resurrected since they were steeped in Greek philosophy and Gnostic body/spirit dualism so he changed the story to it having been a spirit resurrection” (7th Concoction 4:15½).

We could invent whatever we want—un-viably.

I think that you will actually find that the accounts were all written before the destruction of Jerusalem which is why the New Testament does not mention it—tantamount to an author writing a history of New York for the year 2001 not bothering to mention 9/11.

Yet, since you invented a conspiratorial history you can explain this away by claiming that they did not mention it because they were deceivers and wanted to make it appear as if they had written it before 70 AD.

And this is indicative of the black hole of conspiracy theorizing—anything can be fitted into the theory, no matter how damaging to the original conspiracy since anything can be co-opted as part of the theory, the greater conspiracy, it only grows with every refuting objection, it only gets deeper.

For instance, the, I suppose, proof for your invented theology/history amounts to one point about baptismal formulas—this does not suffice to substantiate the rewriting of theology/history. And I would further caution you to not think: well, I a pleased with my theology/history so I will further read my preconceived notions in to the Bible to the point that you then ask, “How about this…and this…and this…” but are merely asking others to substantiate your new theology/history.

As to the, as you have chosen to term it, baptismal “formula” you would know from cultural/historical context that oral tradition was not about reproducing word one followed by word two followed by word three…
It was meant to put forth the thought/concept (even while allowing that the audience could offer corrections for the sake of accuracy and accountability).

But what of Galatians 3:27? Paul is not baptizing anyone, nor preaching about baptism, nor reciting any formulaic statements.

You will notice from the context why he singles out Jesus in relation to baptism:

“…the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe…the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith…For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.”

Thus, he is again and again emphasizing Jesus and so it follows that this emphasis would continue to the very next verse “For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ…you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

Baptized into Christ due to the contextual emphasis on Christ and due to the fact that in the New Testament baptism is likened to Jesus being buried and raised from the dead.

Again, we could make much of this and perhaps even start our own church: “baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost”—does that mean that when you baptize someone you say “I baptize you in the ‘name of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost’”? Or do you say the actual name? Sure, why not?: Jesus was saying that we were to pronounce the, according to cultural/historical context, unpronounced, actual name of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. So when you are baptizing someone you say, “I baptize you in…”

Oh, oh! Do I say “Jehovah” or “Yahweh” or “YHWH” or “LORD” or “Adonai” or “El” or “Emet” or ___________ (fill in the blank).

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