The question What is the theory on what happened to the Nephilim and their place in history? was posted to the Quora site and led to this discussion when L. Budow, “Scripture Questions & Answers Research For Life,” commented
The Nephilim and mans evil, due to the Angels and the resulting Nephilim and Rapha (Giant Nephilim), were the cause for God’s flood on earth to wipe them out.
This did not wipe them all out, as they had regenerative power as half angel and some were not exposed to the devestation of God’s flood.
It is stated in the scripture, during the time of David as King, they attempted to wipe out the giant Nephilim, (the Rapha)
There were still normal size Nephilim, but it is unknown what happened to them.
I, Ken Ammi, replied
The phrase “Nephilim and Rapha (Giant Nephilim)” appears to be a category error.
The key questions are:
What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles?
What’s your usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants”?
Do those two usages agree?
As for “due to the Angels and the resulting…Rapha[im]” there’s zero indication of that.
It’s odd that you have it that they “were the cause for God’s flood on earth to wipe them out” but God failed, He couldn’t get the job done, He must have missed a loophole, and the flood was much of a waste since, “This did not wipe them all out.”
You very specifically asserted, “It is stated in the scripture, during the time of David as King, they attempted to wipe out the giant Nephilim, (the Rapha)” but I would imagine that you can only assert that due to the incoherent non-biblical term “Nephilim, (the Rapha).”
I’m unsure to what you’re referring by “There were still normal size Nephilim.”
As for, “it is unknown what happened to them”: it is know, the last of them died in the flood—the problem is that you’re swapping “Nephilim” for “Rapaha[im]” but Nephilim were strictly pre-flood hybrids, Rephaim were strictly post-flood humans, and there’s zero correlation between them.
- Budow
Now you can disagree with the scriptures below if you disagree with the words of God.
Nephilim, Rephaim, Anakites, Giants
- Genesis 6:4
It was then, and later too, that the Nephilim appeared on earth — when the divine beings cohabited with the daughters of men, who bore them offspring.
They were the heroes of old, the men of renown.
- Genesis 14:5
In the fourteenth year Chedorlaomer and the kings who were with him came and defeated the Rephaim at Ashteroth-karnaim, the Zuzim at Ham, the Emim at Shaveh-kiriathaim,
- Genesis 15:20
the Hitites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim
- Numbers 13:28
However, the people who inhabit the country are powerful, and the cities are fortified and very large; moreover, we saw the Anakites there.
- Numbers 13:29
Amalekites dwell in the Negeb region; Hittites, Jebusites, and Amorites inhabit the hill country; and Canaanites dwell by the Sea and along the Jordan.”
- Numbers 13:32
Thus they spread calumnies among the Israelites about the land they had scouted, saying, “The country that we traversed and scouted is one that devours its settlers. All the people that we saw in it are men of great size;
- Numbers 13:33
we saw the Nephilim there — the Anakites are part of the Nephilim — and we looked like grasshoppers to ourselves, and so we must have looked to them.”
- Deuteronomy 2:11
Like the Anakites, they are counted as Rephaim; but the Moabites call them Emim
- Deuteronomy 2:20
It, too, is counted as Rephaim country. It was formerly inhabited by Rephaim, whom the Ammonites call Zamzummim,
- Deuteronomy 2:21
a people great and numerous and as tall as the Anakites. The LORD wiped them out, so that [the Ammonites] dispossessed them and settled in their place,
- Deuteronomy 3:11
Only King Og of Bashan was left of the remaining Rephaim. His bedstead, an iron
bedstead, is now in Rabbah of the Ammonites; it is nine cubits long and four
cubits wide, by the standard cubit!
- Deuteronomy 3:13
The rest of Gilead, and all of Bashan under Og’s rule — the whole Argob district, all that part of Bashan which is called Rephaim country — I assigned to the half tribe of Manasseh.
- Deuteronomy 9:2
a people great and tall, the Anakites, of whom you have knowledge; for you have heard it said, “Who can stand up to the children of Anak?”
- Joshua 14:15
The name of Hebron was formerly Kiriath-arba: [Arba] was the great man among the Anakites. And the land had rest from war.
- 2nd Samuel 21:20
Once again there was fighting, at Gath.
There was a giant of a man, who had six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot, twenty-four in all; he too was descended from the Raphah.
- 2nd Samuel 21:21
When he taunted Israel, Jonathan, the son of David’s brother Shimei, killed him.
- 2nd Samuel 21:22
Those four were descended from the Raphah in Gath, and they fell by the hands of David and his men.
- 1st Chronicles 20:4
After this, fighting broke out with the Philistines at Gezer; that was when Sibbecai the Hushathite killed Sippai, a descendant of the Rephaim, and they were humbled.
- 1st Chronicles 20:5
Again there was fighting with the Philistines, and Elhanan son of Jair killed Lahmi, the brother of Goliath the Gittite; his spear had a shaft like a weaver’s beam.
- 1st Chronicles 20:6
Once again there was fighting at Gath. There was a giant of a man who had twenty-four fingers [and toes], six [on each hand] and six [on each foot]; he too was descended from the Raphah.
- 1st Chronicles 20:7
When he taunted Israel, Jonathan son of David’s brother Shimea killed him.
- 1st Chronicles 20:8
These were descended from the Raphah in Gath, and they fell by the hands of David and his men.
Nephilim, Rephaim, Anakites, Giants / Overview
Nephilim = angel human hybrids in Enoch
Nephilim = angel human hybrid in Genisis
Rephaim = giants Deuteronomy, 2nd Samuel, 1st Chronicles
Anakites = very large men, descendants of the Nephilim and human, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua,
- the Nephilim appeared on earth — when the divine beings cohabited with the daughters of men, who bore them offspring
- defeated the Rephaim at Ashteroth-karnaim
- the Rephaim
- very large; we saw the Anakites there.
- Amalekites dwell in the Negeb region
- one that devours its settlers. we saw in it are men of great size;
- we saw the Nephilim there — the Anakites are part of the Nephilim —
and we looked like grasshoppers
- the Anakites, they are counted as Rephaim; but the Moabites call them Emim
- It is counted as Rephaim country.
formerly inhabited by Rephaim, whom the Ammonites call Zamzummim,
- a people great and numerous and as tall as the Anakites.
The LORD wiped them out, so that [the Ammonites] dispossessed them
- Only King Og of Bashan was left of the remaining Rephaim.
His bedstead, an iron bedstead, it is nine cubits long and four cubits wide,
by the standard cubit!
- under Og’s rule — the whole Argob district, which is called Rephaim country —
I assigned to the half-tribe of Manasseh.
- a people great and tall, the Anakites, of whom you have knowledge;
- the great man among the Anakites
- There was a giant of a man, who had six fingers on each hand and six toes
on each foot, twenty-four in all; he too was descended from the Raphah.
- Jonathan, the son of David’s brother Shimei, killed him.
- Those four were descended from the Raphah in Gath,
and they fell by the hands of David and his men.
- Sibbecai the Hushathite killed Sippai,
descendant of the Rephaim, and they were humbled.
- Elhanan son of Jair killed Lahmi, the brother of Goliath the Gittite;
his spear had a shaft like a weaver’s beam.
- Jonathan son of David’s brother Shimea killed him.
- These were descended from the Raphah in Gath,
and they fell by the hands of David and his men.
Ken Ammi
Appreciate it, friend.
Fascinatingly, I’ve asked those key questions to dozens and dozens (and dozens [and dozens]) of people who go on and on (and on [and on]) about “giants” and literally zero have replied.
Nothing that you posted is relevant since you appear to be reading those texts without being categorical about what you’re reading so I will jump to the “Nephilim, Rephaim, Anakites, Giants / Overview” part:
Indeed, “Nephilim = angel human hybrid in Genisis.”
“Rephaim = giants…”: that’s myopic.
“Anakites = very large men, descendants of the Nephilim and human” there’s zero indication of any of that. We are told they were “tall” (not even “very”) which is just as vague, generic, subjective, and multi-usage as “giants” and they were named after a man named Anak, Abra’s son.
Is this supposed to mean something? “4. very large; we saw the Anakites there” and were is “there”?
This, “7. we saw the Nephilim there — the Anakites are part of the Nephilim” replies exclusive on one single sentence from only non-LXX versions of an “evil report” by unreliable guys whom God rebuked: why do you side with them rather than with the God who rebuked them?
Indeed, “8. the Anakites, they are counted as Rephaim; but the Moabites call them Emim” and aka Zamzummim but Nephilim have absolutely nothing to do with any of that.
I’m unsure what Og’s “bedstead” has to do with anything.
Please answer the key questions since you will then understand that, “15. There was a giant of a man, who had six fingers on each hand and six toes” biblically contextually reads as, “15. There was a Repha, who had six fingers on each hand and six toes.”
That’s why most of what you posted is irrelevant to the issues I noted which were:
The phrase “Nephilim and Rapha (Giant Nephilim)” appears to be a category error.
As for “due to the Angels and the resulting…Rapha[im]” there’s zero indication of that.
It’s odd that you have it that they “were the cause for God’s flood on earth to wipe them out” but God failed, He couldn’t get the job done, He must have missed a loophole, and the flood was much of a waste since, “This did not wipe them all out.”
You very specifically asserted, “It is stated in the scripture, during the time of David as King, they attempted to wipe out the giant Nephilim, (the Rapha)” but I would imagine that you can only assert that due to the incoherent non-biblical term “Nephilim, (the Rapha).”
I’m unsure to what you’re referring by “There were still normal size Nephilim.”
As for, “it is unknown what happened to them”: it is know, the last of them died in the flood—the problem is that you’re swapping “Nephilim” for “Rapaha[im]” but Nephilim were strictly pre-flood hybrids, Rephaim were strictly post-flood humans, and there’s zero correlation between them.
- Budow
This is Scripture Questins….. & Answers.
My opinion is insignificant to God, as is anyone elses.
Ken Ammi
Am I supposed to know to what “Scripture Questins….. & Answers” refers?
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