New Atheism – Further Evidence of Its Deleterious Effects, part 1 of 2

I have witnessed it time and time again; the deleterious effect of the New Atheist movement. This movement has popularized a particular polemical tactic whereby being vociferous, emotive, belittling, making assertions, and concocting arguments from outrage and arguments for embarrassment and for ridicule replace reasoned discourse.

They have been contaminated by the DHDH Meme (for Dennett-Harris-Dawkins-Hitchens).

Such was the case when Christopher Hitchens debated Jay Richards. Christopher Hitchens attempted a clever strategy, or so he and his adherents thought, that only served to demonstrate his lack of basic reasoning skills. This is further evidenced tenfold when we consider his adherents in another typically sad New Atheist tactic: utter lack of skepticism, lack of critical thinking, merely rooting for my guy; he must be right.Thus, part 1 will deal with Christopher Hitchens and part 2 with Aidan Maconachy, one of his defenders.

The following quotations are taken from the Stanford University article by Shelby Martin, Hitchens Knocks Intelligent Design.

From the get go, Christopher Hitchens stated,

I can’t imagine it’ll take me 14 minutes to demolish intelligent design, as I refuse to call it.

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Unfortunately, he thought that an argument against design was to assert his unfounded presuppositions as to what a thing was designed for. For example, he oft cites the extinction of 98% of all species which have ever existed. Yet, the issue is to ask why he presupposes that a designer would intend each of its designs to last forever. Perhaps, the designer meant one design to give rise to the next. Perhaps, the designs were meant to wear out. Perhaps, __________ (fill in the blank).

Presuppositions about a design’s purpose or utility are about as convincing an argument against design as was Stephen Jay Gould’s panda’s thumb argument. He criticizes the design of the panda’s thumb at the very same time that the pandas are happily stripping bamboo leaves from branches with it (why he even calls it a “thumb” is questionable).

Thus, after making an argument from outrage which made reference to “barbarism, misery, ignorance, slavery and early death” he stated, “What kind of design? What kind of caprice, what kind of incompetence, what kind of cruelty?” Christopher Hitchens declared “Whose design?” and there came the obligatory hoorahs and standing ovations “from many audience members, including a dozen wearing ‘Atheists of Silicon Valley’ T-shirts”-the pseudo-claques.Jay Richards, quite rightly retorted that “A sneer is not an argument.” This alone discredits a vast number of atheist arguments.

Following, Jay Richards “encouraged the audience to see atheism and theism as two competing hypotheses” and presented the following arguments: “simple moral truths,” “that nature seems to be organized rationally and mathematically,” the “fine-tuning principle,” “Anything that begins to exist must have a cause for its beginning,” “irreducible complexity,” “Processes that require foresight are inaccessible to natural selection.”

How did Christopher Hitchens respond to each of these, et al, and then to the cumulative case which they build?He asked Jay Richards “Do you believe Jesus Christ was born of a virgin?” and “Do you believe he was resurrected from the dead?” to which Jay Richards answered in the affirmative.But how is this a response and what is the point? Christopher Hitchens then stated,

I rest my case. This is an honest guy, who has just made it very clear science has nothing to do with his world view.

Yet, the cumulative case was meant to see if we could come to certain supernatural conclusions. Christopher Hitchens should have actually counter-argued and attempted to conclude that such supernatural conclusions are unviable. But he chose to disregard the argumentation that Jay Richards believes leads to a supernatural conclusion.Thus, science does have to do with his worldview.You may ask how inferring a designer from nature could imply a virgin birth and resurrection but you would be putting, as Christopher Hitchens did, the shotgun before the horse. The argument was not to the point of specifying particular doctrines but only at the point of inferring a designer. Christopher Hitchens extricated himself from the steps which the debate was taking and instead, moved far beyond the parameters of the debate.At this point the moderator, Ben Stein posed a question of his own to Christopher Hitchens,

Many people are deeply religious. Are they just stupider than you?

To which Christopher Hitchens replied, “I think I am smarter than most people.” Most is a word that is fascinating to me because it is so very generic: most could mean 99% but it could also mean 51% yet, 51% is awfully close to half.
At any rate, this is another deleterious effect of the New Atheist movement: the self-assurance of proclaiming oneself to be more erudite than thou. Of course, “smart” is very generic as well. I have known some very book smart people who would not know common sense or real world smarts if their lives depended on it. But for all I know, Christopher Hitchens could very well be smarter than 99% of people-what of it? Does smart make his particular worldview true?

I would imagine, and imagine because I do not know, that the reason he chose to abscond from the logical steps of the debate and attempted to make a point is that he was simply incapable of handling a science based debate. In fact, he has stated that he bases his scientific believes upon the proclamations of atheist activists in the guise of scientists. To Richard Dawkins he stated,

I’ll take things you and Richard say on the human and natural sciences, not without wanting to check, but I’m often unable to but knowing that you are the sort of gentlemen who would have checked. If you say, “the bishop told me it so I believe it” you make a fool of yourself it seems to me, and one is entitled to say so.

Yes, you understood it correctly: if you say “the bishop told me it so I believe it” you make a fool of yourself and one is entitled to say so. But if you say “the gentlemen scientists told me it so I believe it” you are intelligent and well informed without having to lift one finger.

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Christopher Hitchens concluded by asserting another presupposition and another argument for embarrassment,

The world as we know it works as the world might be expected to work if it did not have a designer_We can finally grow up if we resign ourselves to this increasingly inescapable truth.

But how does he know what a world would be like without having been designed?
This is tantamount to a fish who, having lived its entire life in water, surrounded by water, claims that whatever this “water” is that people are going on and on about is unnecessary to it because it has lived its whole life without it. It simply does not realize that without water there is no fish. Without water it does not live, survive, or thrive. Yet, it is blind to this fact because water is a part of its being. The very same water that makes life possible for it is the very same water that it does not recognize because it knows nothing but water- water is all around it.

If the universe is designed the atheist is living within the design and cannot see beyond it because the designer designed the material realm in which time makes cause and effect relationships possible. The atheist notices the material causes for material effects and concludes that there is an infinite regress of material causes for the material effects.
They cannot see that there is something outside of the water, something that placed the water in the tank, something that PH balanced the water, something that maintains the water at a certain temperature, something that cleans the tank and something that provides the sustenance, etc.

Lastly, if you were as smart as Christopher Hitchens, if such a thing were possible, you too will “finally grow up” or else, be thou embarrassed.

However, the most fallacious statement is that we are simply to “resign ourselves” to atheism because it is the “increasingly inescapable truth.” Yet, the exact opposite represents the fats of the matter, modern science has uncovered more evidence for a creator than has ever been known before-it is no wonder that Christopher Hitchens decided to bypass the actual topic of the debate, “Atheism vs Theism and the Scientific Evidence of Intelligent Design,” and made the usual very, very popular but very, very fallacious pseudo-counter-arguments.

Such are the deleterious effects of the New Atheist sect of atheism

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Mark Miravalle on Mariology (or is it, Maryolarty?), part 1

This is an intro into a series dealing with Mark Marivalle’s studies into Mariology. As we progress you may be lead to ask whether his focus is actually Maryolatry.

This essay is meant to provide a sample, a taste, a window into the mind, logic, worldview, mis-interpretation methods and fallacious conclusions of personages who have placed Mary at the forefront of their devotion. As I demonstrated in my series on Mary in Roman Catholicism Mary is removed from that which the Bible states about her and the true, real, historical Mary is turned into something utterly foreign to reality; a pseudo-Mary of fanciful doctrine and dogma. Step by step Mary is turned into such a likeness of Jesus Christ that one begins to wonder why Jesus is in the picture at all.

Exampled within this essay is the manner in which Mark Miravalle deals with the text of John 19:26-27. We will see just what he, and Roman Catholicism in general, sees in two mere verses. But first, let us get to know of whom we speak.

In 1999 AD Mark Miravalle was selected as one of the Top 100 Catholics of the Century.
He is a deacon, how holds a Sacred Theological Doctorate from the Pontifical University of St. Thomas Aquinas in Rome, a Bachelor of Arts in Theology from the University of San Francisco, is a graduate of St. Ignatius Institute Catholic Great Books Program at the University of San Francisco, has a Sacred Theological License and a Sacred Theological Doctorate from the Pontifical University of St. Thomas Aquinas (Angelicum) in Rome, he teaches at the Franciscan University of Steubenville, he is President of the international Catholic movement, Vox Populi Mariae Mediatrici (Voice of the People for Mary Mediatrix) and has authored various on Mariology and “Marian private revelation.”

For some reason Mark Miravalle’s text is peppered with various colors (with footnote #s in lime green, quotations in brown and bold font, etc.) which I have not reproduced here and I have attached the footnotes via hyperlinks, I have kept the italics and bold when they appear outside of his bolding on quotations as a whole.1

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The Bible states:

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth

—(2nd Timothy 2:15).

Let us consider the full text of John 19:26-27 which takes place as Jesus is upon the cross,

When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom He loved standing nearby, He said to His mother, “Dear woman, here is your son,” and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.

Now, what is this saying? What does this mean?
I am of the opinion that what it is saying and meaning is that when Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom He loved standing nearby, He said to His mother, “Dear woman, here is your son,” and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.

To ask why? the statement was made takes us into the realm of speculation such as that Jesus did so because Joseph many have been deceased by this time (as he is not there). And/or that Jesus’ brothers and sisters were not, as of yet, believers. Etc., etc., etc. Yet, the point is all too simply Mary was losing one of her sons and Jesus was allotting her another (a fellow believer), John was losing a friend and Jesus was allotting him another.

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Now, we will see how Mark Miravalle deals with this simple, clear and straight forward text. But first, keep three things in mind: 1) He generally does not quote it but rather, makes an assertion and includes the citation at the end of his sentence. This gives the appearance that, that which he has just stated is a paraphrase or somehow directly drawn from the cited text. 2) For whatever reason, he generally cites John 19:26 without v. 27.

3) Note that perhaps the most significant aspect of the text, that which clearly denotes its simply, clear, straight forward and, significantly, down to Earth nature is that “From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.”

Miravalle’s Marvelous Machinations
Since I consider the following comments as they come up in the series which follows I will merely list them here and dissect them later. Incidentally, in notations and citations “cf.” is an an abbreviation of the Latin word “confer” which refers to “consult” or “compare.”

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Because of her role as Coredemptrix with the Redeemer at the foot of the cross (cf. Jn 19:26)….

For Mary is the Coredemptrix who uniquely shares in the one mediation of Christ in accomplishing the redemption of the world and thereby, Mary uniquely shares in the one mediation of Christ in distributing to the People of God the “gifts of eternal salvation” obtained from the cross (cf. Jn 19:26)….

Mary’s role as Mediatrix with the Mediator in distributing the precious gifts of salvation[125] merited on the Cross is a gift given to the “Woman” at Calvary (cf. Jn 19:26)….

In calling his Mother, “Woman”, Jesus identifies Mary as the Woman who was prophesied as mediating to the world the seed of victory over Satan (cf. Gen 3:15), as well as designates his Mother as the Mediatrix who will be the Woman at the foot of the Cross (cf. Jn 19:26)….

But if Mary’s role as maternal Mediatrix is “outlined” in these earlier passages of the Word of God, it is “clearly stated and established”[144] at the foot of the cross….

Jn 19:26 – The Establishment of the Mediatrix of Graces…

“Woman, behold your son. …son, behold your mother” (Jn 19:26-27). These words of the dying Saviour to the Woman at the foot of the cross bring forth the establishment of Mary as the motherly mediatrix of graces for the human family….

At the very moment when the redemptive sacrifice for all humanity was being completed (cf. Jn 19:26-28), Jesus speaks these words to the Woman who once was known only as Mary of Nazareth: “Woman, behold your son” (Jn 19:26). And then to the beloved disciple, who represents all who seek to be beloved disciples of the Lord,[148] Jesus says, “son, behold your mother” (Jn 19:27)….

Mary is spiritual mother of all humanity…Pope Leo XIII identifies John at the foot of the cross as representing all humanity in general…“Now in John, according to the constant mind of the Church, Christ designated the whole human race, particularly those who were joined with him in faith,”…

[in footnote #151 Mark Miravalle notes that he cannot reach the] conclusion that all Patristic uses of the term “Mediatrix” necessarily refer to a commentary on Jn 19:26…Later Fathers are oftentimes more specific in their references to Mary as the mediatrix of the graces of redemption at Calvary…

the papal commentary of Jn 19:26 and Mediatrix of graces….

But if Mary’s role as maternal Mediatrix is “outlined” in these earlier passages of the Word of God, it is “clearly stated and established” at the foot of the cross….

Leo XIII tells us: “Now in John, according to the constant mind of the Church, Christ designated the whole human race, particularly those who were joined with him in faith.” And at Calvary, the whole human race receives the one who is appointed by the Mediator to be the spiritual “mother to us in the order of grace” in definitively becoming for us the “Mediatrix of Graces.”

Indeed, all of this, and more, being read into a text that very, very clearly could not even ever have imagined such implications. In fact, the text implies no such thing, this is mere fanciful and un-contextual inference.

Well, I trust that this goes to demonstrate the desperation and hermeneutically inappropriate nature of Mark Miravalle’s modis operandi. Sadly, when it comes to the hyper exaltation of Mary movement; he is not unique as this sort of confused concoction is all they have with which to work.

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The Godless Church of Unitarian Universalism, part 1 of 2

I have previously posted with regards to Unitarian Universalism and had some very interesting comments by a reader. I have also previously considered the attempts, hopes and/or wishes of the “New Atheists” to establish a new atheist religion.

Unitarian Universalist, Rev. Rod Richards, gave a sermon, I suppose, entitled, Godless: Atheism in Our Language, Our Culture, and Our Movement

He stated, “I enjoy doing weddings, not least of all for the opportunity it gives me to spread the good word about Unitarian Universalism.” Christians will instantly recognize that there is a vast difference of perspective and purpose: Rev. Rod Richards seeks to preach the “gospel” of his particular “church” while a Christian pastor would have stated, “I enjoy doing weddings, not least of all for the opportunity it gives me to spread the good word about Jesus Christ.”

The premise of the sermon is Rev. Rod Richards’ claim that “Unitarian Universalist…are Christians and Buddhists and Mystics and Atheists.”

Rev. Rod Richards claims that their atheist parishioners are indicative “of just how unique our religious community is in this world.”
He points out that,

“The humanist challenge to Unitarianism occurred back in the early years of the previous century. People like Unitarian ministers John Dietrich and Curtis Reece challenged the integrity of our non-creedal stance and asked why our definition of religion could not expand to include ‘a religion without God’?”

Within the sermon this is also called a “democratic religion” and a “humanist religion.”
Rev. Rod Richards offers the words of an early Unitarian Universalist hymn:

“Why need to look for miracles outside of nature’s law?
Humanity we wonder at with every breath we draw.”

With reference to Unitarian Universalism, Rev. Rod Richards points out that its foundations consisted of sentiments such as those expressed by Curtis Reece who “said that belief in God was ‘philosophically possible, but not religiously necessary.'”
He further states:

“They understood that ethics and morality were not handed down from on high but must be negotiated and agreed upon down here on earth until people could come together to affirm the inherent dignity and the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family [a]s the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world, as happened with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. No one went up the mountain to receive this document; the peoples of the United Nations had to come together and create it.”

Of course, we all know how marvelously the UN has upheld human rights around the world, right?
It is fascinating that he makes reference to “the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family” since he is paraphrasing the Declaration of Independence which states that these were “endowed by our creator…nature’s God” which is considered “self evident.”

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Rev. Rod Richards is kind enough to provide the Unitarian Universalist definition of “religion” as “that which inspires and guides our understanding of ourselves and our relationship to all of life.” [italics in original]. Then again, I should perhaps say that this is not a Unitarian Universalist definition but Rev. Rod Richards’ particular and peculiar definition since, as Unitarian Universalism’s primary dogma is basically, “Thou shall not speaketh for anyone else nor haveth dogmas-except for this one; the rejection of which will get you excommunicated.”

Rev. Rod Richards claims that his definition “excludes no one” but, of course, it excludes everyone who does not agree with it and this is the primary and fundamental fallacy of Unitarian Universalist’s pseudo-syncretism: by defining tolerance and unity as agreement with them they exclude the exclusivists and thus they become the very thing which they condemn.
Simply stated, a more accurate, and generally accepted, definition of “religion” is a systematization of worshiping God. Moreover, note that the Bible is very, very anti-religion and that the only positive mention of religion in the New Testament states, “Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world” (James 1:27). While this is somewhat tantamount to Rev. Rod Richards’ community based concept of “relationship to all of life” there is, at least, one crucial difference, “in the sight of our God and Father” rather than, “in the sight of the United Nations.”

Rev. Rod Richards notes that Unitarian Universalism not only holds to “varying beliefs about God, but the question of whether there is a God” [italics in original].

In another typical pseudo-tolerant move Rev. Rod Richards singles out Christianity for criticism,

“In the controversy that surrounds the opening of the movie, ‘The Golden Compass,’ evangelical groups are railing against atheist author Philip Pullman and the ‘stealth campaign’ of the movie studio to sellatheism to children.Ted Baehr, of The Christian Film and Television Commission, said ominously,’Children who buy into this are going to be trapped in a sad, desperate world.’ Trapped in a sad, desperate world? Just by watching a fantasy that was written by an atheist? Are atheists that scary?

Pullman expresses surprise at these criticisms and challenges his Christian critics to quibble with the values that he promotes in his stories: tolerance, love, kindness, courage, duty, and individual freedom over blind obedience. He is hardly inviting kids into murder and mayhem. And the truth is, if we want to read some books that have some scary connotations and interpretations, we need go no farther than to the Holy Scriptures of any religion.”

I certainly cannot discern whether Rev. Rod Richards simply lacks knowledge or is part of the misinformation campaign. But this I know with certainty; he is mistaken and Philip Pullman is disingenuous. Please attempt to note the tolerance, love and kindness in the fact that Philip Pullman has stated that his books, his children’s books, are about “killing God” and that he is “trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief.”1

Get the picture?

Philip Pullman intolerantly states his children’s books are about “killing God” and “trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief,” then Christians react negatively, and then Rev. Rod Richards praises Philip Pullman and condemns Christians. This amounts to beating up the victim for complaining of abuse.

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You know when your church is in trouble when a sermon not only approvingly quotes an anti-God/religious tirade by Prof. Richard Dawkins but when it merely and uncritically regurgitates one of atheism’s most ubiquitous yet, fallacious arguments. Rev. Rod Richards stated:

“Scientist [read as: militant atheist activist] Richard Dawkins, in The God Delusion, responds colorfully to those who ask him the question: ‘If there is no God, why be good?’
Do you really mean to tell me the only reason you try to be good is to gain God’s approval and reward, or to avoid his disapproval and punishment?That’s not morality, that’s just sucking up, apple-polishing, looking over your shoulder at the great surveillance camera in the sky, or the still small wiretap inside your head, monitoring your every move, even your every base thought.

As Einstein said, ‘If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed.’

[bold replaced italics in original]

Indeed, Rev. Rod Richards and Prof. Richard Dawkins would do well to learn the following from Albert Einstein: scientists should stick to the science in which they are trained and not pretend to be equally adept as armchair logicians, philosophers, theologians, etc.
Notice, first of all, their combined unloving and unkind intolerance: if you are the sort of person who is perfectly moral but you are moral due to fear or punishment they condemn you-you are not allowed to disagree with them; or you can disagree and suffer their looking down their collective noses at you. This is clearly and utterly intolerant.

I have responded to this fallacious argument in two essays:

The Red Light of Punishment

Is There a Common Misconception Regarding Absolute Moral Claims?

Thus, I will merely sketch a response here:
They are presupposing that they can read the minds and discern the motivations of those whom they condemn. How do they know who is moral due to reward and punishment? Apparently, they merely consider whether someone adheres to such a presumed system. Yet, even then; how do they know? Let us consider Christianity, for example, Christians would likely answer “Why be moral?” by referencing “For the love of God and the love of humans who were made in God’s image.”

Consider this scenario: a soldier is honored with a Purple Heart. During the ceremony Rev. Rod Richards, Prof. Richard Dawkins, Albert Einstein, et al, stand up and shout that the soldier is undeserving since they were merely acting out of fear of punishment and expectation of reward, “If they deserted they feared charges of treason and they were heroic merely due to expectation of being rewarded with a Purple Heart!!!”
I elucidate these points and also point out that atheists are not to be considered as being of pure motive in the essays referenced above.

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Rev. Rod Richards also made another confusing and fallacious statement,

“I have often thought that, even if there is a God, atheism would be the most reverent stance toward such a divinity, in the manner of the Jewish tradition of not being allowed to speak God’s name.” [bold replaced italics in original]

Indeed, atheists consider atheism holier than theism and Louise Antony has claimed that God prefers atheism.Note the fallacies:If there is a God; denying His existence is the most reverent stance-how?In the manner of the Jewish tradition of not being allowed to speak God’s name-irrelevant.The Jewish tradition of not speaking God’s name is due to reverence for the God whom we Jews worship.

Atheists do not speak God’s name, except whilst besmirching Him or as part of an expletive, due to one of atheism’s consoling delusions: out of sight, out of mind-or perhaps; out of mind, out of sight.

Rev. Rod Richards further demonstrates Unitarian Universalist intolerance and fallacies in stating,

“Theists can have a rather disturbing habit of not only believing in God, but talking in depth about what and who God is. It seems, well, sometimes rather irreverent and presumptuous to be on such familiar terms with what is apparently such an awesome figure.”

Yet, Unitarian Universalists believe that “if there is a God” God approves of their pseudo-inclusivism and condemns exclusivism. That is to say, Unitarian Universalists, at the bottom of it, claim to have the one true revelation of God’s will-even if that will is that God be disregarded. Moreover, theists may claim that what we can know about God is precisely that which God has revealed about Himself for the purposes of having us know about Him.

Note that in attempting to express pseudo-syncretism the fallacies cannot help but surface and I hope that you have a better handle on detecting and dissecting them.

Let us consider further examples:
Rev. Rod Richards states,

“There is a spectrum of worldviews that make up atheism, just as there is a spectrum of worldviews that make up theism. There are a variety of interpretations and ramifications of ideas, whether religious or scientific or philosophical, that we need to bring out into the open and discuss.
And atheists are saying, we need to grapple with them as humans, one to another. We cannot pass off our piece of the discussion to a Divine Being whose existence is not recognized by all.”

Not surprisingly, the last sentence presupposes atheism / humanism / secularism. After all, theists may argue that we cannot pass off our piece of the discussion to humans who reject and/or are in open rebellion against God. Also, they may argue that by not referencing a Divine Being they are being intolerantly left out. Lastly, if the discussion is to take place based upon that which is recognized by all no discussion will take place.

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VIDEO: “Atheism Explained and Exposed” problem of evil

“Atheism Explained and Exposed” problem of evil.

This is from a lecture I presented at the EMNR “Myth Taken” conference May 2015 AD.

It is titled “Atheism Explained and Exposed” and covers the issues of truth, morality, science, the problem of evil and Atheism itself.

Sadly, the audio goes from bad to worse.

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Bart Ehrman, Interrupted – on the Bible and Christianity

“Just so you know,” as per CNN, “Bart Ehrman says he’s not the anti-Christ. He says he’s not trying to destroy your faith. He’s not trying to bash the Bible.”1

Oh good, because I would hate to see what someone would say if they were trying to destroy the Christian faith and bash the Bible.

Actually, we have seen it; we have seen it for millennia.

In fact, virtually his entire career has been premised on destroying the Christian faith and bashing the Bible. Certainly, he is not trying to destroy the faith of those Christians who could care less about the Bible’s contents or how it came to be. But to claim that he is not trying destroy the Christian faith and bash the Bible is tantamount to a boxer stating to his opponent, “I’m not trying to hurt you, I just want to punch you until you lose consciousness and I win. Meanwhile I will show other people how to become good boxers so that they can beat their opponent into unconsciousness, until all that is left of them is a non-functioning bag of bones.”

Of course, Bart Ehrman is aware that malicious inferences are drawn from his implication. For example, he wrote:

“Are you out to destroy the Christian religion?” I’ve been asked this question several times over the past month, as some evangelicals have expressed shock and outrage over my book, “Jesus Interrupted,” where I deal with the historical problems of the New Testament. These problems are rife, to be sure. The New Testament contains numerous discrepancies and contradictions; different New Testament authors have different perspectives on key issues, such as who Jesus is and how one can attain salvation; a large number of New Testament books were not written by the people who claim to be their authors; and several key doctrines of Christianity — the deity of Christ, the Trinity, the idea of heaven and hell — cannot be found on the lips of the historical Jesus or the pens of his earliest followers. But doesn’t that make Christianity bogus? “Are you out to destroy the Christian religion?”

The truth is that I find this question more than a little odd. For one thing, I learned all of these problems in a leading Protestant theological seminary, while taking Bible classes in preparation for Christian ministry. These problems are regularly taught in mainline seminaries (Presbyterian, Lutheran, Methodist, Episcopalian, now Catholic) — taught by Christians to prospective Christian ministers in order to prepare them for Christian service. Moreover, these problems have been known for decades, in some cases for well over a century.2

Indeed, and this is why Ehrman does not reject the Bible, its God and Christianity due to the Bible problem but based on his emotions. At least one reason that Ehrman strayed while others stayed, in the light of the same evidence, is that he was looking for a way out, he was seeking to justify his emotionally charged views. Others tell of learning the very same materials but of also going on to find resolution to the problems. Ehrman was long wresting with his emotions and finally found a way to express them by calling upon others to see the pseudo-light.

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Bart Ehrman claims that “the Nicene Creed, which say not a word about belief in the Bible.” The Creed states that Jesus died “On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures.” The Creed is an communal affirmation of belief, one such belief is in Jesus’ resurrection, which is being affirmed via that which is stated in the “Scriptures,” therefore, it is “belief in the Bible” which drives the Creed.

Bart Ehrman then goes from his statements about “belief in the Bible” to concluding:

throughout most of history most Christian thinkers would have been seen this view as theological nonsense. Or blasphemy. The Bible was never to be an object of faith. God through Christ was. Being a Christian meant believing in Christ, not believing in the Bible.

Consider the word of Jesus, gleaning from John ch. 5

…the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God. Then Jesus answered and said to them, “…Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life…You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life…if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

The context is that Jesus is encouraging them to consider the witness of His own works. If they will not; then He encourages them to consider the witness to Him of John the Baptist. If they will not; then He encourages them to consider the witness to Him of God the Father. If they will not then; He encourages them to consider the witness to Him of Moses. Moses to whom they turned by consulting the Bible—the Tanakh/Old Testament. The problem was that they had their eyes so focused upon the text that they missed looking around to see of whom the text spoke. Thus, indeed, let us not do the same.

However, let us note that, for example, the Bereans were praised—referred to as more noble or fair minded—for their true and honest skepticism since when Paul taught them they would double check everything he said as they “searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so” (Acts 17:11).

Note that there are circa 260 quotes from and 370 allusions to the Old Testament in the New Testament. For example, the Book of Revelation is 404 verses long, 278 of those verses are allusions to the Old Testament.Jesus directly quoted or alluded to the following Old Testament books:

Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, 1st Samuel, 1st Kings, 2nd Chronicles, Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Jonah, Micah, Zephaniah, Zechariah and Malachi (see A Jewish Book Called “The New Testament” for details.

There are over fifty references to the scripture(s) in the New Testament and this is not even counting references to the Old Testament by referring to “Moses,” “Isaiah,” etc. or by the quotations and allusions to which I just referred.

Bart Ehrman makes three main points with regards to his Jesus without the Bible arguments (as if he is interested in inspiring the following of Jesus): 1) “Christianity existed before the Bible” 2) “Christianity has existed in places where there were no Bibles to be found…read…[or] understood”

3) “Christianity does not stand or fall with the Bible”

1) Indeed, when we consider “the Bible” to be both the Old and New Testament. Yet, as we have seen; the pattern of reliance upon “the Bible” still applies. 2) Even Peter stated that Paul had written things that were, “hard to understand,” which, by the way “untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction,” and with the addition of affirming that Paul’s words were inspired as they were correlated to scripture, “as they do also the rest of the Scriptures” (2 Peter 3:16 ). Yet, where the Bible was not, or not read, or not understood is whence came false doctrines. And when such communities did manage to life a truly Christian life and hold to traditional/orthodox beliefs it was due to oral traditions or otherwise being able to keep the traditional Christian doctrines alive.

3) Ultimately, perhaps not. But then again; without the Bible what is Christianity? “Being a Christian meant believing in Christ” but how do you know about the true historical Christ without the Bible which is the best record of Him?

Bart Ehrman concludes:

And so, biblical scholarship will not destroy Christianity. It might de-convert people away from a modern form of fundamentalist belief. But that might be a very good thing indeed.

Indeed, biblical scholarship will not destroy Christianity. It might de-convert people away from a modern form of man-made fundamentalist belief (here “fundamentalist” not meaning sticking to the basics but carrying a negative implication). A wide recognition of the Bible’s reliability and a deeper relationship with Jesus is a very good thing indeed.

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Norm Geisler references TrueFreethinker.com:
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Read the article about which Gary Habermas, PhD (Distinguished Research Professor & Chair of the Department of Philosophy at Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary) said, “I have hung on to it since you sent it, & plan to keep doing so”: Historical Jesus – Two Centuries Worth of Citations.

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Some of my books, all of which you can find here or here:

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Social networks:
My Amazon author’s page
Facebook
Twitter
YouTube
Archive video site
Ken Ammi’s Product Reviews
My CafePress shop
Google +

Norm Geisler references TrueFreethinker.com:
Apologeticspress.com’s Kyle Butt references TrueFreethinker.com:

Read the article about which Gary Habermas, PhD (Distinguished Research Professor & Chair of the Department of Philosophy at Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary) said, “I have hung on to it since you sent it, & plan to keep doing so”: Historical Jesus – Two Centuries Worth of Citations.

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