Angela Michelle Schultz answers What Is a Nephilim?

Angela Michelle Schultz wrote an article titled What Is a Nephilim? and begins by noting:

The term Nephilim, derived from the Greek word nephal, which means “to fall,” is mentioned twice in the bible; once before the flood in Genesis 6, then again in Numbers 13 after the flood.

That they are, “mentioned twice” is, purposefully or not, a very important qualifier—stand by.

She refers to, “what precisely a Nephilim is” and which coupled with the title, “What Is a Nephilim?” offers an opportunity for a technical point of linguistics: those statements should either be “what precisely ARE [or more precisely, were] Nephilim is…What Is ARE/WERE Nephilim?” or, “what precisely a Nephil is…What Is a Nephil?” since the, “im” ending makes a Hebrew word male plural but the English, “a” implies one.

For more, see my linguistics book Bible Encyclopedias and Dictionaries on Angels, Demons, Nephilim, and Giants: From 1851 to 2010.

Angela Michelle Schultz notes, “Some non-biblical views are that the Nephilim are space aliens” but they can’t be, on any view, since they were born on Earth.

She then outlines four perspectives, “dependent on how they view who the ‘sons of God’ are” which she begins by noting, “Since the King James Version uses that term, many associate them with mere giants” but she didn’t tell us what, “that term” is. Yet, regardless, we can’t know who associates them with “giants” without knowing what’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s her usage? Do those two usages agree?

Well, Angela Michelle Schultz does elucidate:

This translation was partly because Jerome’s early Latin translation used the term Gigantes. The Septuagint, the translation used around the time of Christ, also used the Greek word Gigantes. Therefore, it is safe to assume that Nephilim was abnormally large, regardless of your viewpoint.

Note that the missing data point makes her conclusion faulty since it’s based on a word-concept fallacy. She merely implies that Gigantes means whatever the subjective term, “abnormally large” really means.

The LXX came before the Latin and gigantes merely means earth-born. Thus, no reference to Nephilim in any language from any time implies anything about size.

In fact, the dirty little secret is that since we’ve no reliable physical description of Nephilim then their height is a non-issue and that alone debunks 99% of un-biblical Nephilology—the modern branch of which is just un-biblical neo-theo sci-fi tall-tales.

When pop-Nephilologists employ such watered down terminology, it allows them to do what Shultz did which is to make assumptions and then apply them: she noted that the word Nephilim came from to fall but centuries later, since gigantes/giants refers to whatever abnormally large means, she can then take the tactic of referring to anything that’s subjectively abnormally large and drag it into the pop-Nephilology black-hole.

Thus, Angela Michelle Schultz notes:

Although later claimed to have been a hoax, this giant/nephilim remains were found in San Diego. The Smithsonian bought it in 1895.

The image is one that I used for this book of mine:

The first perspective she covers is:

The Fallen Angels View is one of the most popular views. Many believe that sons of God refer to fallen angels since Job 1:6, 2:1, and 38:7 refer to angels as sons of God. Unfortunately, the exact wording is not used in each context, although the sentiment is the same…

Some also point to 2 Peter 2:4 as proof when it says, “the angels who sinned.” Although somewhat misleading, it does not state that those fallen angels had sexual relationships with women or procreated.

Jude 6 also points out angels “who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode.” Jude 7 compares them to Sodom and Gomorrah, where it states, “in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh.” Reading these back to back like that does show possible proof that the fallen angels had sexual immorality, but it does not implicitly say that…

One of the biggest criticisms of this theory is that angels, being spiritual beings, would not have DNA that could combine with a woman.

Nowhere in the Bible do fallen angels appear to men, nor does it state they have DNA like other living things on earth.

Some argue that if angels can appear to man, then so can fallen angels. Yet, being able to appear to men and reproduce with them are two different things altogether…

Another problem with this idea is that Jesus states no marriage in Heaven (Matthew 22:30), meaning there would not be procreation. So, angels would not need the equipment needed to procreate.

Let us review:

It’s more than, “one of the most popular views” since the original, traditional, and majority view among the earliest Jewish and Christians commentators, starting in BC days, was the Angel view as I proved in my book On the Genesis 6 Affair’s Sons of God: Angels or Not?: A Survey of Early Jewish and Christian Commentaries Including Notes on Giants and the Nephilim.

As for, “the exact wording is not used in each context” Job 38:7, as one example, shows us that, “sons of God” can refer to non-human beings (which the LXX has as Angeloi: plural of Angelos) since they, at the very least, witnessed the creation of the Earth.

Jude and 2 Peter 2 combined refer to a sin of Angels, place that sin to pre-flood days and correlate it to sexual sin which occurred after the Angels, “left their first estate,” after which they were incarcerated, and there’s only a one-time fall/sin of Angels in the Bible.

So, if they’re not referring to the Gen 6 affair, we’ve no idea to what sin they’re referring.

As for, “spiritual beings” why would it be that they, “would not have DNA” since humans can be spiritual but we have DNA? She seems to me making a typical error of swapping spirit for spiritual.

Angels are always described as looking like human males, performing physical actions, and without indication that such isn’t their ontology—see my book What Does the Bible Say About Angels? A Styled Angelology.

Thus, “Nowhere in the Bible do fallen angels appear to men” and yet, that would be their natural look.

As for, “would not have DNA that could combine with a woman…two different things altogether” again, Angels are always described as looking like human males, performing physical actions, and without indication that such isn’t their ontology.

Moreover, we were created. “a little lower” (Psa 8:5) than them, and we can reproduce with them so, by definition, we’re of the same basic kind.

That, “Jesus states no marriage in Heaven” is irrelevant since the Gen 6 affair’s marriages took place on Earth. Also, ideally, “there would not be procreation” without marriage but history proves that procreation is possible without marriage—yet, that’s still contextually irrelevant.

Yet, Angela Michelle Schultz makes is relevant by noting, “angels would not need the equipment needed to procreate” yet, we might as well as why God put the forbidden tree in the garden.

Jesus’s statement was also very detailed, very nuanced, He employed qualifying terms in referring to, “the angels of God in heaven.”

So, not all Angels at all times in all places but the loyal ones, “of God” and, “in heaven” which is why those who did marry are considered sinners since they, “left their first estate,” as Jude put it, in order to do so.

The next perspective is:

Sons of God: Men overtaken by fallen angels/demons

Nephilim: 100% human

Since Nephilim is derived from the verb “to fall,” this would seem to be a possible fit. A possible interpretation of fallen angels overtaking men would be that demons possessed them.

There are various problem with this view, beginning with writing in terms of, “fallen angels/demons” since, sure, demons are fallen Angels but they technically differ: see my article Demons Ex Machina: What are Demons?

There’s no indication that Angels, fallen Angels as during the Gen 6 affair or not, even could possess anyone since, again, they’re already embodied.

Demons can but they didn’t exist at the time—see my article.

She further notes:

Since possession happened before and after the Flood, this would allow Nephilim to reappear after the Flood. Yet, one question that arises with this theory is, why aren’t there Nephilim born today? During Christ’s time, there were demon possessions, yet no references to Nephilim.

It’s not, “Since” but merely assuming.

As for, “allow Nephilim to reappear after the Flood” the assumption is that since possessed humans post-flood have offspring then, by that definition, all such offspring are Nephilim.

The issue that that if there were ever any such things as post-flood Nephilim then God failed, He must have missed that loophole and flood was much of a waste, etc., etc., etc.

The next perspective is:

The Sethite view…

Sons of God: 100% human

Nephilim: 100% human

This viewpoint is probably the second most popular. Many feel that this definition of Nephilim fits the context best, specifically if you look at Genesis 5. There are different theories about who the humans referred to as sons of God might be. Some believe that they were kings or rulers. Some believe that Psalm 82:1-6 supports this. Psalm 82 also clears up confusion about demigods if you take this interpretation.

Others believe the humans referred to as sons of God were from the godly lineage from Adam to Seth, down to Noah. That lineage goes: Adam, Seth, Enosh, Kenan, Mahalalel, Jared, Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech, and finally Noah.

Since these godly men married ungodly women, their unions had fallen from God’s grace, and their offspring were termed Nephilim….

The one problem with this view is that they assume that Seth’s descendants were godly. Enoch and Noah were, but what about their siblings and the others in the line? After the flood, they were all descendants of Seth, yet Nephilim still occurred.

The Sethite view may be, “the second most popular” but it’s a late-comer based on myth and prejudice.

It has, “godly men” not being godly since they were such terrible sinners that their sin served as the premise for the flood.

Note how this time, Angela Michelle Schultz positively affirms, “Nephilim still occurred” or, she may have meant that such would be a logical (though really illogical, ill-bio-logical, and ill-theo-logical) conclusion of that view.

Psalm 82, that actually has God, The Almighty Elohim, telling lower elohim that they will die like men: one doesn’t have to tell men that they’ll die like men.

The last perspective is:

The Fallen Men View is very similar to the Sethite View and uses these definitions:

Sons of God: 100% human

Nephilim: 100% human

This view is different than the Sethite view because it does not assume that all Seth’s descendants were considered godly. It deems sons of God to be all godly men of the time in Seth’s line and outside of it. It also implies that not all in Seth’s line were godly.

This implies that godly men were taking wives who were not godly and thus falling away from God’s favor, which produced Nephilim. Unfortunately, this theory has the same problems as the Sethite view. Also, marriages now have one godly spouse and one that does not make Nephilim.

Seem there’s no further need to comment—this is more like a view that’s generic enough to seem passable.

She then adds:

When talking about Nephilim, it seems essential to discuss the book of Enoch. The first and most important thing to point out is that the Book of Enoch is not part of the Bible. It is not the inspired Word of God.

Instead, it is historical and may reveal historical elements. Many believe it was written by Enoch, who was in the lineage between Seth and Noah.

In short, 1 Enoch is Bible contradicting folklore from centuries, if not millennia, after the Torah, see my book In Consideration of the Book(s) of Enoch.

Lastly, I noted, “That they are, ‘mentioned twice’ is, purposefully or not, a very important qualifier” since, for example, I could name the first POTUS, George Washington, right now and even claim that I just saw him but that’s just a mention.

Likewise, Gen 6:4 is the reliable historical record of Nephilim and Num 13:33 is one unreliable sentence from one unreliable, “evil report” by 10 unreliable guys whom God rebuked.

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Destiny Image on Nephilim Spirit Prophecy: Stop This 1 Pattern Before It Opens a Door to Darkness

A certain Troy Black wrote an article titled Nephilim Spirit Prophecy: Stop This 1 Pattern Before It Opens a Door to Darkness for a site that self-IDs as, “Publishing cutting-edge prophetic messages to supernaturally empower the body of Christ…Destiny Image is a community of believers with a passion for equipping and encouraging you to live the prophetic, supernatural life you were created for!”

He began with, “…I heard the Holy Spirit say” and what he claims to have been told is, “The spirit of the Nephilim never left the earth. There’s a shadow of their effects at work all over—in any work that is born out of demonic influence” along with that, “The spirit of the Nephilim is the spirit of the shortcut mentality. It is a shortcut to freedom—a shortcut to God’s promise.”

Unfortunately, such a generic and subjective usage of the term spirit of the Nephilim allows for the watered-down concept of being, “shortcut mentality” to be applied to whatever one wants and so it ends up having no relation at all to Nephilim.

Troy Black wrote:

Genesis 6:4 (NASB) says about the giants, “The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward….”

Presuming the before and after here speaks of the pre-flood and post-flood days, it’s not unlikely that the Nephilim, or some form of them, walked the earth after the great flood. Some scholars believe that Nimrod himself, who ruled the pre-Babylonian kingdom of Babel, was one of these giants.

I’m unsure why anyone would presume something uniblical within the context of elucidating the Bible.

When one cuts a thought, a sentence, a verse in half then well, sure, they can presume anything. He cut it just when it was telling us to what days it’s referring and the flood ain’t it.

What, “Genesis 6:4 (NASB) says” is, “The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.”

It can’t mean anything about the flood since:

1) the flood’s not even mentioned for the very first time until a full 13 verses later.

2) the ONLY post-flood reference to Nephilim is from an “evil report” by 10 unreliable guys whom God rebuked.

3) God didn’t fail, He didn’t miss a loophole, the flood wasn’t much of a waste, etc.

Gen 6:4 states, “Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.”

The question becomes: when were those days?

Well, Gen 6:1 told us, “When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose.”

The next question becomes: when was afterward?

Since it was after those days then it was simply after, “When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them…”

Thus, they began doing it then and they continued to do it but that’s all pre-flood.

As for, “about the giants, ‘The Nephilim’” biblically contextually that means, “about the Nephilim, ‘The Nephilim’” so the key questions are What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s Black’s usage? Do those two usages agree?

For now, let’s grant that he’s using giants to mean Nephilim thus, “Some scholars believe that Nimrod himself, who ruled the pre-Babylonian kingdom of Babel, was one of these giants.”

Well, I’m unsure who those unnamed, uncited, and unquoted scholars are but it’s literally logically, bio-logically, and theo-logically impossible that he was a Nephil.

Actually, I may have a clue as to who they are since I wrote the book The Scholarly Academic Nephilim and Giants: What do Scholarly Academics Say About Nephilim Giants?

Yet, Troy Black argues his case:

Several factors point to Nimrod potentially being of Nephilim blood. First, both Nimrod and the Nephilim are described using the Hebrew word gibborim, meaning “mighty men.” Second, Micah 5:6 associates “the land of Nimrod” with the land of Assyria, which later became a vassal state of Babylon. Third, the historian Josephus, an extra-biblical source, described Nimrod as desiring to get revenge on God for destroying his forefathers through the flood.

The, “using the Hebrew word gibborim” is a non-starter since it’s word-concept fallacy and myopic. In order to inform, rather than assert, he would have to have written, “Several factors point to Nimrod, Angels, Gideon, Boaz, some of David’s soldiers, and even God Himself potentially being of Nephilim blood. First, both , Angels, Gideon, Boaz, some of David’s soldiers, and even God Himself and the Nephilim are described using the Hebrew word gibborim.”

See, it does not work when we bring in all relevant facts: Nephilim (Gen 6:4), Nimrod (Gen 10:8), Angels (Psa 103:20), Boaz (Ruth 2:1), some of King David’s soldiers (1 Chron 11:11), God Himself (Isa 9:6), etc.

Unsure what the land of Nimrod/Assyria/Babylon has to do with Nephilim—and Black didn’t elucidate.

The last attempt is to appeal to Josephus (37-100 AD) who complied info from who knows where and at what level of reliability, “an extra-biblical source” which are unnamed, uncited, and unquoted—see my book The Apocryphal Nephilim and Giants: Encountering Nephilim and Giants in Extra-Biblical Texts.

As for, “his forefathers” even if we grant that, why merely assume that his pre-flood forefathers had to be Nephilim?

In fact, we know exactly who his pre-flood forefathers were:

Adam

Seth

Enosh

Kenan

Mahalalel

Jared

Enoch

Methuselah

Lamech

Noah

Ham

Ham

Cush

Nimrod

(Gen chaps 5 and 10)

There’s no indication whatsoever, anywhere, that anyone in that line was a Nephil.

Troy Black added:

Another biblical link between Nimrod and the Nephilim can be uncovered in Numbers 13 when the Israelite spies return from spying out the Promised Land after their first journey through the wilderness.

So they reported to him and said, “We came into the land where you sent us, and it certainly does flow with milk and honey, and this is its fruit. Nevertheless, the people who live in the land are strong, and the cities are fortified and very large. And indeed, we saw the descendants of Anak there! Amalek is living in the land of the Negev, the Hittites, the Jebusites, and the Amorites are living in the hill country, and the Canaanites are living by the sea and by the side of the Jordan” (Numbers 13:27-29 NASB).

The Israelites observe the descendants of Anak living in the land of Canaan. The Canaanites came from Canaan, son of Ham. Ham was Nimrod’s grandfather (see Genesis 10:8).

That’s a misrepresentation since it wasn’t, “the Israelite spies” in general but 10 of them.

So, it was the 10 who reported and he needed to mention that he’s relying on:

  1. One single unreliable sentence
  2. From strictly non-LXX versions (since that version’s version of that verse doesn’t even mention Anakim)
  3. Of an unreliable “evil report”
  4. By 10 unreliable guys
  5. Whom God rebuked—to death
  6. Who made five mere assertions unbacked by even one single other verse in the whole Bible
  7. Who contradicted Moses, Cable, Joshua, God, and the rest of the whole entire Bible

I could go on but see my post Chapter sample: On the Post Flood Nephilim Proposal.

Sure, Anakim were there and so were Amalekites, Hittites, Jebusites, Amorites, and Canaanites (Num 13). In fact, in Deut 1 when Moses relates the Num 13 events, he only focuses on Anakim since they were notorious and the real dangers on the ground, he didn’t even bother mentioning Nephilim: he was too practical to bother about some fantasy tall-tale.

So, of course since there’s nowhere from which to draw, in order to support, “the direct connection between the sons of Anak and the Nephilim” appeal is made to one unreliable sentence from non-LXX versions of one unreliable evil report by 10 unreliable guys whom God rebuked.

Also, due to that evil report merely asserting, “all the people whom we saw in it are people of great stature, Troy Black merely uncritically repeats, “Not only were all the people inhabiting the promised land apparently large in stature” for which there’s no backing data and, of course, “verse 33 [in non-LXX versions] directly relates the Anakim with the Nephilim.”

He adds, “Whether this means they were directly descended from the Nephilim, or whether it means they had a similar origin story, it does not much matter.”

It matters tremendously since fallacious Nephilology damages theology proper: if Anakim were related to Nephilim then post-flood Nephilologists need to invent un-biblical fantasy tall-tales as to how they made it past the god who failed to be rid of them via the flood, the flood which was much of a waste.

Moreover, he wrote, “it does not much matter. Either way, they were both giant” regarding, “their physical” yet, we’ve no reliable physical description of Nephilim and the only contextually relevant thing we’re told about Anakim is that they were, “tall” (Deut 2) which was subjective to the average Israelite male who was 5.0-5.3 ft. in those days.

He then goes back to, “What was the prophetic word I heard about the Nephilim?” which was, “The spirit of the Nephilim never left the earth…the spirit of the shortcut mentality” and such vaguery allows him to claim, “Nimrod was able to build many cities…his giant-like nature” and goes on to apply the spirit of the Nephilim even to pre-Nephilim times, “Adam and Eve being tempted by the serpent in the Garden of Eden.”

And on he goes offering supposed examples, “Abraham and Sarah…The Israelites…The devil…Babylon the Great” and on it goes.

This is tantamount to endless sermonizing references to giants in the and preaching about defeating the giants in your life: it may make for good preaching but waters down the premise.

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Ken Ammi reacts to Anthony Delgado’s reaction to Wes Huff on Enoch, Nephilim, and Demons

The article in question, Wes Huff on Enoch, Nephilim, and Demons is an Anthony reacts to Wes Huff’s comments article to I figure that I’ll follow up with Ken reacts to Anthony’s reaction to Wes Huff’s comments ;o)

His bio is:

Anthony Delgado is a pastor, author, and Bible teacher based in Southern California, with nearly two decades of experience in Christian leadership and biblical education. He studied Christian Reason at Sterling College and earned his MABTS from Knox Theological Seminary. Anthony approaches Scripture as one cohesive story of God’s redemption, weaving themes from Genesis to Revelation into a unified narrative of hope and renewal.

See my previous post Pastor Anthony Delgado on Giant Nephilim Clowns.

Wes Huff

…holds a BA in sociology from York University, a Masters of Theological Studies from Tyndale University, and is currently doing a PhD in New Testament at the University of Toronto’s Wycliffe College…is currently the Vice President for Apologetics Canada.

This pertains to, “Wes Huff’s comments from The Shawn Ryan Show”: since I’m reviewing a review I’m only really interested in adding some elucidating points.

One issue was, “ethics of technology and Watcher ‘secret knowledge’ (connecting modern tech questions to 1 Enoch 8 and Azazel’s teaching of warfare and seduction)” about which Delgado begins by noting:

…there’s more to first Enoch than I think Wes lets on…I think the evidence leads us to a greater confidence in some of this narrative…this Second Temple text.

Let’s start there since bottom line is that 1 Enoch is Bible contradicting folklore from centuries, if not millennia, after the Torah, see my book In Consideration of the Book(s) of Enoch.

There’s no indication that it contains any hitherto unknown facts nor newly revealed ones.

Yet, it’s being employed as a springboard wherefrom to discuss ethics of technology since it contains an elaborately detailed breakdown of which fallen Angel taught which bit of secret knowledge to humanity—apparently, demonically occult stuff such as, “taught women to beautify their eyes with colored makeup” and, “make swords, knives, shields, and breastplates to make war…about the metals of the earth and the art of metallurgy to make silver bracelets and ornaments…wear all kinds of costly stones.”

One of the funniest moments in all pseudepigrapha—perhaps the only funny one—is when 1 Enoch’s version of God tells the fallen Angels, “You have been in heaven, but all the mysteries had not yet been revealed to you, and you knew worthless ones” (4Q530 Frag. 2).

Delgado wrote, “In Genesis 6 you have the giants enter in, and they’re these mighty men, these mighty warriors, the gibborim.” Biblically contextually that would read as, “In Genesis 6 you have the Nephilim enter in, and they’re these mighty men, these mighty warriors, which is to what the Hebrew used of them, gibborim, refers.”

Key questions are: what’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s his usage? Do those two usages agree?

These questions are key since, for example, he wrote of, “the Nephilim and the Giants” which is also a case of jumping from the specific ancient Hebrew word Nephilim to the modern generically subjective English word giants.

Now, Wes Huff referenced that which I term the Gen 6 affair and noted, “The Greek translation of the Old Testament translates Nephilim as gigas, which is giants” yet, that only begs the questions: what’s his usage? 

The related word gigas, gigantes, gigantos all refer to the Greek mythological Earth false goddess Gaia so that, for example, gigantes means earth-born/born of Gaia. And I’m granting that there’s a linguistic difference between meanings/definitions and usages—for more, see my book Bible Encyclopedias and Dictionaries on Angels, Demons, Nephilim, and Giants: From 1851 to 2010.

Huff notes, “there’s both a kind of naturalistic explanation that the sons of God weren’t necessarily angels” yet, the original, traditional, and majority view among the earliest Jewish and Christians commentators, starting in BC days, was the Angel view as I proved in my book On the Genesis 6 Affair’s Sons of God: Angels or Not?: A Survey of Early Jewish and Christian Commentaries Including Notes on Giants and the Nephilim.

Job 38:7, as one example, shows us that, “sons of God” can refer to non-human beings (which the LXX has as Angeloi: plural of Angelos) since they, at the very least, witnessed the creation of the Earth.

Jude and 2 Peter 2 combined refer to a sin of Angels, place that sin to pre-flood days and correlate it to sexual sin which occurred after the Angels, “left their first estate,” after which they were incarcerated, and there’s only a one-time fall/sin of Angels in the Bible.

So, if they’re not referring to the Gen 6 affair, we’ve no idea to what sin they’re referring.

Anthony Delgado notes, “what’s very common in the West, it’s sometimes called the Sethite view” which is a late-comer of a view based on myth and prejudice.

He notes, “Now what I do like that Wes says is he says that Nephilim comes from the Hebrew naphil which means fallen ones. Now, some of you guys, if you’re Michael Heiser fans or something like that, which I am by the way as well, he was pretty adamant that there is not a relationship between naphil and Nephilim because he doesn’t want to make that about fallen humans.”

That Hebrew root is typically transliterated as naphal but what Heiser argued is that the root is actually the Aramaic naphiyla which, or so he claimed, means giant which, of course, begs the question: what’s his usage?

Well, he at least left us with this, “I don’t think the biblical giants were taller than unusually tall people of modern times (between 7-9 feet).”

Now, the J. Edward Wright Endowed Professor of Judaic Studies, who is J. Edward Wright, Ph.D. himself, and who is the Director of the Arizona Center for Judaic Studies at the University of Arizona notes, “The term traditionally translated as ‘giants’ in both the Greek Septuagint (γιγαντες) and now in English is נפילים nephilim, a term based on the root נפל npl meaning ‘fall.’ It has nothing to do with size” and specifies that this goes for both Hebrew and Aramaic as “The root npl in Aramaic also means fall and not giants” (private communique, July 2019).

Dr. Heiser was credentialed and experienced but not infallible, his Nephilology wasn’t altogether biblical, and he tended to create more problems than he solved—search online for these articles for examples:

Review of Amy Richter and Michael Heiser on four Enochian Watcher related women in Jesus’ genealogy

Rebuttal to Dr. Michael Heiser’s “All I Want for Christmas is Another Flawed Nephilim Rebuttal’”

I also included him in my book, The Scholarly Academic Nephilim and Giants: What do Scholarly Academics Say About Nephilim Giants?

Let’s face it, the common parlance usage of giant is something vaguely generic about subjectively unusual height of some unknown level above the parochial average (and yes, that is how useless the common parlance usage of that modern English word is).

Moreover, “The translators of the Greek text took it to mean giants. We see that again as early as like 300 BC that the Greek speaking Jews were translating this giants where it said Nephilim.” That’s too fast for my taste: it’s actually impossible that, “the Greek speaking Jews were translating this giants where it said Nephilim” and it’s also uber-myopic.

The Greek speaking Jews could not have translated giants since English didn’t exist yet, and they were writing in Greek—likewise with when he wrote, “(Genesis 6; LXX “giants”).” Rather, the Greek speaking Jews were rendered (didn’t even translate) this gigantes where it said Nephilim but that’s only a tiny fraction (literally speaking statistically) of the story—stand by for more on this.

The usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word giants in English Bibles is that it merely renders Nephilim in 2 verses or Repha/im in 98% of all others and so never even hints at anything to do with any sort of height whatsoever. That is because those English versions follow what those Greek speaking Jews did with gigantes. Ergo, gigantes where it said Nephilim in only two verses.

Delgado wrote, “I don’t think First Enoch just appeared as some sort of bizarre fan fiction. No, it certainly had to have come out of a tradition of understanding.” That may very well be but, then again, a tradition of understanding still begins somewhere at some time so why not with 1 Enoch? In any case, it has Nephilim as being MILES tall which is great folklore but poor reality. Meanwhile, biblically, the dirty little secret is that since we’ve no reliable physical description of Nephilim then their height is a non-issue and that alone debunks 99% of un-biblical Nephilology—the modern branch of which is just un-biblical neo-theo sci-fi tall-tales.

There’s also the issue of:

Demons as the Spirits of the Nephalim

Wes Huff: This goes into like a long history of leading up to the New Testament where there’s a, you know, the demons kind of show up in the New Testament.

There really isn’t all that much said in the Old Testament about demons, but in some of this ancient Jewish literature that’s incorporated and found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, we have some of these discussions of things like, what are the demons?

Bottom line is that the claim that demons are the spirits of dead Nephilim is just folklore from centuries, if not millennia, after the Torah. For a biblical view, please see my article Demons Ex Machina: What are Demons?

Next up is:

…demons as disembodied spirits of the Nephilim/giants (a major Second Temple thread) with biblical touchpoints in the Rephaim passages (Job 26:5–6; Psalm 88:10; Isaiah 14:9)….

And so consider, for example, Job 26:5–6. Here it says the departed spirits tremble beneath the waters and all that inhabit them. Sheol is naked before God and Abaddon has no covering. Now that word departed spirits. There is the Hebrew word rephaim is the common Hebrew word for giant, it’s translated almost universally in the Greek text as gigantes, which is giant in English. And so it doesn’t make sense though, to read this, that the giants tremble beneath the waters because beneath the waters is speaking of like death, a place of death.

And so as they are dead, what are these rephaim here? Well, they’re the dead rephaim as really the history and how these are interpreted. So many people have said these are human ghosts. So again, what do you think giants and Nephilim are?

Well, if they’re just humans, then these are some kind of human ghosts or something like that, which I think isn’t too far off. Like no matter how you take the Sethite or the other view, you’re actually gonna come to a certain understanding of departed spirits as being demonic. But anyway, that’s another conversation. But you just have to see that there. And it’s not only the one place.

Psalm 88:10. Do you work wonders for the dead? Do giants, rephaim, departed spirits rise up to praise you?

This is actually a very complicated simple issue, or so it seems to me since there’s a madness to my method.

This comes down to that the root word rapha ranges in meaning from healing/healer to dead/death. Ergo, people read it—even if in the plural form of raphaim or the Rephaim—referring to the dead and apply it to the 100% human people group, the Rephaim tribe.

Recall that I noted to stand by regarding the 98% usage: earlier, it was, “Genesis 6 you have the giants…the Nephilim and the Giants…(Genesis 6; LXX ‘giants’)…Nephilim/giants,” etc. but now it’s, “rephaim is the common Hebrew word for giant” even though, “it’s translated almost universally in the Greek text as gigantes, which is giant in English” which is just a watered down vicious circular cycle of question begging.

So, it’s not, “giants tremble beneath the waters” but, “the dead tremble beneath the waters.”

As for, “what do you think giants and Nephilim are?” well, we can’t know until we’re told what they mean by giants.

But note that what many do is, again, to take the root rapha, apply it to the Rephaim tribe, actually incorporate Pagan mythology to it, and that results in the Rephaim having been some sort of living dead.

In Ugaritic texts, for example, recently deceased kings and heroes were referred to as kings and heroes yet, after they had been dead for some time, they were called rpʾum (a version of rephaim) and could be summoned to attend rituals, etc.—see my post Dead Kings and Rephaim The Patrons of the Ugaritic Dynasty.

And that’s all for my reaction to Delgado’s reaction to Huff—what’s your reaction to my reaction to his reaction to him?

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Pastor Anthony Delgado on Giant Nephilim Clowns

Pastor Anthony Delgado’s bio notes, “a pastor and author from Southern California with nearly two decades of experience in Christian leadership and Bible teaching. He studied Christian Reason at Sterling College and holds an MABTS from Knox Theological Seminary.”

He wrote a series of articles about Nephilim, giants, and clowns which are all issues that are right up my alley. See my previous post Ken Ammi reacts to Anthony Delgado’s reaction to Wes Huff on Enoch, Nephilim, and Demons.

We will first consider What Does the Bible Say About Nephilim? wherein he notes:

The Nephilim in Genesis 6

Genesis 6:1–4 describes a time when “the sons of God” came to human women and had children with them, producing the Nephilim. One common interpretation is that “sons of God” refers to angelic beings who took on human form and cohabited with women, resulting in an unusual and powerful hybrid race.

The original, traditional, and majority view among the earliest Jewish and Christians commentators, starting in BC days, was the Angel view as I proved in my book, On the Genesis 6 Affair’s Sons of God: Angels or Not?: A Survey of Early Jewish and Christian Commentaries Including Notes on Giants and the Nephilim.

However, there is no indication that, “angelic beings,” Angels, “took on human form.” Rather, Angels are always described as looking like human males, performing physical actions, and without indication that such is not their ontology—see my book, What Does the Bible Say About Angels? A Styled Angelology.

His first bit of, “Support for this view comes from” is, “The Book of 1 Enoch — An ancient Jewish text expanding on Genesis, explicitly stating that heavenly beings produced offspring with human women.” Note that ancient is a subjective term since that text is surely ancient to us yet, it is Bible contradicting folklore from centuries, if not millennia, after the Torah, see my book, In Consideration of the Book(s) of Enoch.

He added, “The Hebrew word ‘Nephilim’ — Possibly derived from nafal (‘to fall’), interpreted by some as ‘fallen ones,’ referring to fallen angels.” That Nephilim refers to fallen Angels does not even make a faint blip on the historical radar of who took which view: it is understood to refer to the unusual and powerful hybrid race produced by Angels mating with human women.

He notes, “Some understand ‘sons of God’ as referring to human rulers or descendants of Seth marrying outside their covenant community.” The former is a very early view, but is also one of the least historically notable ones. The latter is a late-comer based on myth and prejudice.

Pastor Anthony Delgado references, “Several difficulties arise when interpreting the Nephilim passages”:

“The Nature of Angels — Matthew 22:30 suggests angels do not marry, leading some to reject the idea of angelic-human offspring.”

Note his qualifying term in that he infers a suggestion. Well, there is no such implication in that verse (which he did not quote). Note that his is a generically all-encompassing statement, “angels do not marry.”

Yet, Jesus’ statement was very detailed, very nuanced, He employed qualifying terms, “the angels of God in heaven.” So, not all Angels at all times in all places but the loyal ones, “of God” and “in heaven” which is why those who did marry are considered sinners since they, “left their first estate,” as Jude put it, in order to do so.

The next difficulty is, “Chronological Questions — Genesis 6 places the Nephilim before the flood, yet Numbers 13:33 describes them after the flood, raising questions about continuity.”

The problem is that he is dealing in citations but citations only tell you were to find a statement and does not include key hermeneutical questions such as: who said it, why was it stated, was it accurate, what was the reaction to it, etc., etc., etc.

Thus, stating, “Numbers 13:33 describes them after the flood” is indeed, “raising questions about continuity” since what the pastor did not tell us is that he is appealing to one unreliable sentence from an unreliable evil report by some unreliable guys whom God rebuked: it was merely a fear-mongering, scare-tactic tall-tale.

Next up is, “Textual Ambiguity — The Bible’s sparse details leave room for multiple explanations” and yet, again, there has always been one main view.

Pastor Anthony Delgado next writes of, “Nephilim, Giants, and the Canaanite Context” which calls into question: What is the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word, “giants” in English Bibles? What is his usage? Do those two usages agree?

Those questions are specially important since, hint, biblically contextually, “Nephilim, Giants” means, “Nephilim, Nephilim.”

He goes back to Num 13:33 and notes that it, “records Israelite spies describing the inhabitants of Canaan as giants, calling them descendants of the Nephilim.” That is more specific, since he tells us what is recorded at the citation and yet, he misrepresented the narrative.

That verse is not about, “Israelite spies” in general, “describing the inhabitants of Canaan as giants, calling them descendants of the Nephilim.” Rather, there were 12 spies but that verse is what the unreliable ones whom God rebuked merely asserted—including something about whatever giants references.

He does note, “Some scholars suggest the spies exaggerated out of fear, while others see this as evidence that the Nephilim’s lineage persisted in some form. In either case, the association of the Nephilim with intimidating size and strength is consistent across biblical references.”

Indeed, and I quote scholars who suggest exaggeration (at the very least) in my book What Does the Bible Say About Giants and Nephilim? A Styled Giantology and Nephilology.

As for, “evidence that the Nephilim’s lineage persisted in some form” well, that is illogical, ill-bio-logical, and ill-theo-logical: he can only appeal to one single unreliable verse and such a view implies that God failed, missed a loophole, the flood was much of a waste, etc., etc., etc.

As for, “the association of the Nephilim with intimidating size and strength is consistent across biblical references”: there is literally zero indication of any such thing.

Note that we now appear to have a window in to his usage of giants since he referenced (alleged) intimidating size. Thus, the pastor’s usage of giants does not agree with the English Bibles’ usage since the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word giants in English Bibles is that it merely renders (does not even translate) Nephilim in 2 verses or Repha/im in 98% of all others and so never even hints at anything to do with any sort of height whatsoever.

Incidentally, the dirty little secret is that since we do not have reliable physical description of Nephilim then their height is a non-issue and that alone debunks 99% of un-biblical Nephilology—the modern branch of which is just un-biblical neo-theo sci-fi tall-tales.

He ends that article with, “Bible Verses About Nephilim”:

Genesis 6:1–2, “When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose.”

Genesis 6:3, “Then the Lord said, ‘My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.'”

Genesis 6:4, “The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.”

Numbers 13:32, “So they brought to the people of Israel a bad report of the land that they had spied out, saying, ‘The land, through which we have gone to spy it out, is a land that devours its inhabitants, and all the people that we saw in it are of great height.'”

Numbers 13:33, “And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim), and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.”

Job 1:6, “Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.”

Job 38:7, “When the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?”

Jude 1:6, “And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day.”

2 Peter 2:4, “For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment.”

Colossians 2:15, “He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.”

Recall that Pastor Anthony Delgado thinks that, “The Hebrew word ‘Nephilim’” is, “referring to fallen angels.”

In any case, that list only included two verses about Nephilim: the reliable record in Gen 6:4 and the unreliable tall-tale in Num 13:33—and that Jude references that which I term the Gen 6 affair.

Jude and 2 Peter 2 combined refer to a sin of Angels, place that sin to pre-flood days and correlate it to sexual sin which occurred after the Angels, “left their first estate,” after which they were incarcerated, and there is only a one-time fall/sin of Angels in the Bible. So, if they were not referring to the Gen 6 affair, we have no idea to what sin they are referring.

We next move on to the article Did giants literally exist according to the Bible? wherein he also does not elucidate his usage of the word giants.

He noted, “Giants in the Old Testament…giants as a reality woven into Israel’s story” and appeals to that, “Genesis 6:1–4 introduces the Nephilim, described as the offspring of ‘the sons of God’ and ‘the daughters of men.’” Thus, in this article, he rightly identifies Nephilim not as Angels but as their offspring.

He referred to giants, then to Nephilim and then back to giants which makes reading difficult since we have to keep track to what he may be referring as he jumps from the specific ancient Hebrew word Nephilim to the modern generically subjective English one giants.

He notes that Gen 6:4, “connects the appearance of giants to a spiritual rebellion in the heavenly realm.” He told us about giants in Gen 6 but there is nothing in that whole chapter—or whole book—about intimidating size of anyone, much less of Nephilim.

Of course, next up is, “in Numbers 13:33, Israel’s spies report that giants still dwelled in the land. Their exaggerated fear—‘we seemed like grasshoppers’—shows both the imposing stature of these beings and Israel’s lack of faith…their size…”

Again, that is not the generic, “Israel’s spies report” in fact, it is the second report in that chapter, the first of which is the factually accurate one—and it lists six people groups they saw in the land but does not mention Nephilim, “the descendants of Anak…The Amalekites…The Hittites, the Jebusites, and the Amorites…And the Canaanites.”

It is a mere assertion that, “exaggerated” still evidences, “imposing stature” since every indication is that their (supposed) imposing stature was the exaggeration. And that is because both sides of Nephilim’s parentage looked just like human beings and so subjective average size is implied.

Pastor Anthony Delgado then abruptly asserts, “Other passages mention related groups such as the Rephaim, Anakim, and Emim, tribes remembered for their unusual strength and stature (Deuteronomy 2–3). Goliath of Gath, defeated by David in 1 Samuel 17, stands as the most famous example.”

That those are, “related groups” is not only a mere assertion, it is another case of that which is illogical, ill-bio-logical, and ill-theo-logical. And, it is not even really a case of those, plural, since Emmim is just an a.k.a. for Rephaim and Anakim were like a clan of the Rephaim tribe.

As for, “unusual…stature” well, sure, Deut 2 tells us that they were, “tall” subjective to the average Israelite male who was 5.0-5.3 ft. in those days.

As for Goliath well, sure, he too was of subjectively of, “unusual…stature” since the Masoretic text has Goliath at just shy of 10 ft. Yet, the earlier LXX and the earlier Dead Sea Scrolls and the earlier Flavius Josephus all have him at just shy of 7 ft. so, that is the preponderance of the earliest data—even though the pastor did not tell us anything about Goliath’s height, especially within the context of evidencing his usage of giants.

He ends the article with, “Bible Verses about Giants”:

Genesis 6:4 – “The Nephilim were on the earth in those days…”

Numbers 13:33 – “We seemed like grasshoppers in our own sight.”

Deuteronomy 2:10–11 – “The Emim formerly lived there, a people great and many, and tall as the Anakim.”

Deuteronomy 3:11 – “Only Og the king of Bashan was left of the remnant of the Rephaim.”

Joshua 11:21–22 – “Joshua cut off the Anakim from the hill country…”

1 Samuel 17:4 – “There came out from the camp of the Philistines a champion named Goliath.”

2 Samuel 21:20 – “There was again war at Gath, where there was a man of great stature…”

Psalm 135:10–11 – “He struck down many nations and killed mighty kings—Sihon king of the Amorites, and Og king of Bashan.”

Amos 2:9 – “Yet it was I who destroyed the Amorite before them, whose height was like the height of the cedars.”

Colossians 2:15 – “He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame.”

Let us review:

Genesis 6:4 – reliably about Nephilim but no physical description.

Numbers 13:33 – unreliably about Nephilim with an unreliable physical description.

Deuteronomy 2:10–11 – about Rephaim who were taller than 5.0-5.3ft.

Deuteronomy 3:11 – about one Repha for whom we do not have a physical description.

Joshua 11:21–22 – about Rephaim/Anakim.

1 Samuel 17:4 – about one just shy of 7ft. Repha.

2 Samuel 21:20 – about one Repha of subjectively, “great stature.”

Psalm 135:10–11 – About an Amorites and a Repha for whom we do not have a physical description.

Amos 2:9 – it reads, “the Amorite…whose height was like the height of the cedars and who was as strong as the oaks; I destroyed his fruit above and his roots beneath.” He was clearly just saying they were big and strong and not implying conducting a one-to-one ratio based mathematical calculation.

In fact, people who do measure cedars and claim Amorites were that tall never get around to a calculation correlating the strength of oaks—since they are only interested in tall-tales. Plus, if they take it that incoherently literal then they have to conclude that Amorites had fruits and roots growing right out of their bodies.

Colossians 2:15 – irrelevant to Pastor Delgado’s usage of giants.

Next up is the article Giants Reappeared After the Flood wherein he notes, “The reappearance of giants after the Flood” but since his usage is not biblical then he must mean the reappearance of personages who are generically subjectively taller than the parochial average by an unknown margin after the Flood.

Of course, that is a non-issue since if Adam was even one inch taller than Eve then there have always been people who were subjectively taller than other people.

Thus, we have to assume that, this time around, he is referring to Nephilim in particular.

He premises the article by noting, “While the Genesis account focuses on the Nephilim before the Flood, later biblical narratives describe giant clans in the land of Canaan—most notably the Anakim, Rephaim, and others—who opposed Israel during the conquest.” Note the linguistics goalpost moving, again, even within one single sentence, “Nephilim before the Flood, later biblical narratives describe giant clans in the land of Canaan.

As for, “Anakim, Rephaim, and others” we will see just how that is not the case.

But first, he noted:

The Bible does not explain exactly how giants reappeared, leading to various interpretations. Some suggest the Flood was regional rather than global, leaving pockets of giants alive. Others propose that similar supernatural events to those in Genesis 6:1–4 occurred again after the Flood.

Regardless of the mechanism, their reemergence is a reminder that the spiritual rebellion which began before the Flood persisted into Israel’s history.

See the ongoing problem? We were left having to guess as to what he was referring by, “how giants reappeared”?

The scope of the flood is irrelevant to Nephilology since they either did not make it past the flood because it was global or because they lived in the flooded region: either way, they did not make it past the flood in any way, shape, or form.

We are told five times who survived the flood but Nephilim are not in any of those statements (Genesis 7:7, 23; Hebrews 11:7; 1 Peter 3:20; and 2 Peter 2:5).

That, “similar supernatural events…occurred again after the Flood” is not only wholly unevidenced but, as with the local flood theory, they imply that God failed, missed a loophole, and the flood was much of a waste.

His, “Biblical Evidence for Post-Flood Giants” begins with, “Genesis 6:4 states, ‘The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward,’ a phrase that hints at their later reappearance.” Indeed, when one cuts a verse—a sentence, a complete thought—in half (especially at the key point at which it was going to tell us to what days it is referring) then one can follow that up by merely opining about a subjective hint.

Yet, the complete verse/statement/thought is, “The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.”

Thus, “those days” were when the sons and daughters first married, mated, and birthed (with the commencing timeline being given in v. 1 as, “When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose”) and so, “afterward” meant just that, after they first did so (they kept doing so) yet, that is still all pre-flood.

His next stop is, “Numbers 13:33 explicitly connects the Anakim to the pre-Flood Nephilim: ‘We even saw the Nephilim there—the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim.’” Here, he not only tells us that a citation, “explicitly connects” but he myopically relies on non-LXX versions since that version’s version of that verse does not even mention Anakim—unsure why he did not mention that.

Oddly, Pastor Delgado ends up rightly distinguishing, “The fearful report of the spies in Numbers 13:31–33 shows how giants could paralyze God’s people with unbelief. In contrast, Caleb and Joshua’s trust in God’s power points to the faith required to overcome” (emphasis added for emphasis) but fails to interact with the chapter’s (and chap 14’s) narrative to the point of rightly dividing God’s word.

He then lists how, “The Bible mentions several post-Flood giant peoples” at which point he seems to have, yet again, changed his usage from appearing to refer to Nephilim to now referring to generically subjectively taller than the parochial average by an unknown margin:

Anakim – Tall warriors living in Canaan (Deuteronomy 9:2).

Rephaim – A race of giants inhabiting various regions (Deuteronomy 2:10–11).

Emim and Zamzummim – Other giant groups dispossessed by Israel’s neighbors (Deuteronomy 2:20–21).

Og of Bashan – A giant king whose bed was over thirteen feet long (Deuteronomy 3:11).

All of those are about Rephaim and sure, they were taller than 5.0-5.3ft.

Just in case, as for Og: again, we do not have a physical description of him and merely assuming that his, “bed” tells us something about his personal size is a non-sequitur based on various assumptions. In fact, it was a ritual object, not something upon which he slept—see my book The King, Og of Bashan, is Dead: The Man, the Myth, the Legend—of a Nephilim Giant?

He then circles back to add details to, “Recognize the Possible Explanations for Their Return. Because the Flood narrative describes the destruction of all flesh except those in the ark, the reappearance of giants requires explanation.”

He notes that, “Common views include” that they were, “Survivors of a Regional Flood – Suggests the Flood’s scope was not global, allowing giant populations in other regions to survive” which, again, contradicts the Bible five times.

Or, “Repeated Angelic Rebellion – Proposes that events similar to Genesis 6 occurred again, producing a new generation of giants” which is just a fantasy story post-flood Nephilologists invented when they realized they had zero biblical data.

Also, “Symbolic or Legendary Continuity – Suggests that later giant accounts use the Nephilim as an archetype for formidable enemies” which may be fair enough in terms of that the unreliable guys whom God rebuked after their unfaithful disloyalty resulted in a tall-tale about post-flood Nephilim. Yet, if, “later giant accounts use the Nephilim as an archetype for formidable enemies” why is there only one single such example in the whole entire Bible?

Pastor Anthony Delgado gives up, in a manner of speaking, with, “the Bible does not settle the question” which is most certainly does: only 8 personages survived the flood, God did not fail, did not miss a loophole, the flood was not much of a waste, centuries post-flood some guys who contradicted Moses, Caleb, Joshua, God, and the rest of the whole entire Bible made up a fear-mongering, scare-tactic fantasy, “Don’t go in the woods!!!” style of tall-tale and were rebuked by God—end of biblical story.

For many more details, see my post Chapter sample: On the Post Flood Nephilim Proposal.

Thus, when Pastor Delgado tells us of, “The book of Joshua records that Israel encountered the Anakim during the conquest of Canaan” that is irrelevant to Nephilology.

And, “David faced Goliath” is irrelevant to Nephilology.

And, “David’s men later killed other giant warriors” is irrelevant to Nephilology.

And, “Each defeat of a giant” is irrelevant to Nephilology.

Rather, those are relevant to generically subjectively taller than the parochial average by an unknown margin generically subjectively taller than the parochial average by an unknown margin—and I am still quite unsure how that is any sort of issue.

This article ends with, “Bible Verses about Giants after the Flood”:

Genesis 6:4 – “The Nephilim were on the earth both in those days and afterward, when the sons of God came to the daughters of mankind, who bore children to them. They were the powerful men of old, the famous men.”

Numbers 13:33 – “We even saw the Nephilim there—the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim. To ourselves we seemed like grasshoppers, and we must have seemed the same to them.”

Deuteronomy 2:10–11 – “The Emim, a great and numerous people, as tall as the Anakim, had previously lived there. They were also regarded as Rephaim, like the Anakim, though the Moabites called them Emim.”

Deuteronomy 2:20–21 – “This too was regarded as the land of the Rephaim. The Rephaim had previously lived there, though the Ammonites called them Zamzummim, a great and numerous people, tall as the Anakim. The LORD destroyed the Rephaim at the advance of the Ammonites, who drove them out and settled in their place.”

Deuteronomy 3:11 – “Only King Og of Bashan was left of the remnant of the Rephaim. His bed was made of iron. Isn’t it in Rabbah of the Ammonites? It is thirteen and a half feet long and six feet wide by a standard measure.”

Joshua 14:12 – “Now give me this hill country the LORD promised me on that day, because you heard then that the Anakim are there, as well as large fortified cities. Perhaps the LORD will be with me and I will drive them out as the LORD promised.”

1 Samuel 17:4 – “Then a champion named Goliath, from Gath, came out from the Philistine camp. He was nine feet, nine inches tall.”

1 Samuel 17:45 – “David said to the Philistine, ‘You come against me with a sword, spear, and javelin, but I come against you in the name of the LORD of Armies, the God of the ranks of Israel—you have defied him.’”

2 Samuel 21:20 – “At Gath there was another huge man who had six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot—twenty-four in all. He, too, was descended from the giant.”

2 Samuel 21:22 – “These four were descended from the giant in Gath and were killed by David and his soldiers.”

Review:

Genesis 6:4 – about Nephilim for whom we have no reliable physical description and not about post-flood.

Numbers 13:33 – a non-LXX version of an unreliable fantasy tall-tale.

Deuteronomy 2:10–11 – subjectively tall Rephaim.

Deuteronomy 2:20–21 – subjectively tall Rephaim.

Deuteronomy 3:11 – about a man for whom we do not have a physical description and a ritual object.

Joshua 14:12 – subjectively tall Rephaim/Anakim.

1 Samuel 17:4 – a just shy of 7ft. Repha.

1 Samuel 17:45 – no reference to even being subjectively tall.

2 Samuel 21:20 – subjectively, “huge man” (note how Pastor Delgado changed from the version he previously quoted) with, “huge” being just as vague, generic, subjective, and multi-usage as, “tall”—and biblically contextually, “descended from the giant” means, “descended from the Repha.”

2 Samuel 21:22 – same as above.

Next up is the article The Spirits of Dead Giants Became Demons which I will go through very succinctly since it is premised on:

According to the ancient Jewish worldview preserved in works like 1 Enoch, the death of the giants—offspring of the rebellious Watchers and human women—did not end their destructive influence. While the Flood and other divine judgments removed them from the physical world, their spirits were believed to remain earthbound…they became wandering, unclean spirits—what we now call demons…This understanding, common in Second Temple Judaism…

Recall that ancient is a subjective term and that 1 Enoch is Bible contradicting folklore from the Second Temple Judaism which is 538 BC-70 CE.

In short then, that demons are the spirits of dead Nephilim is just folklore from centuries, if not millennia, after the Torah. For a biblical view, please see my article, Demons Ex Machina: What are Demons?

And we have come to a portion of the article A Biblical Symbology of Clowns: The Clown on My Wall. Initially, I noted, “Nephilim giants and clowns which are all issues that are right up my alley” since I have familiarized myself with over two millennia worth of relevant data that I used to write my dozen, or so, Nephilology books one of which is Did the Nephilim Look Like Clowns? A Review of Paul Stobbs’ Theory as well as A Worldview Review of Stephen King’s “It”: The Mystical, Mysterious, and Metaphysical in the Novel, Miniseries, and Movies.

He notes:

Clowns embody contradiction and inversion, acting as cultural symbols that expose the boundaries and hypocrisies of human systems through humor, discomfort, and absurdity.

Though often feared, their purpose is not malevolence but revelatory: clowns function as sacred fools or prophetic tricksters who disrupt social order to reveal truth.

Historically rooted in the role of the jester, the clown occupies the space between order and chaos, revealing hidden realities and confronting tyranny by returning overextended structures to a state of potential.

He elucidated:

Are Nephilim Clowns?

This question is clearly driven by the terror that people experience (because of whatever kind of trauma) related to clowns. The question could really take two forms:

Are Clowns Nephilim?

Are Nephilim Clowns?

The responses to these questions are not the same, though the answer to both is invariably ‘no.’

He then unpacks each:

Are Clowns Nephilim?

In Biblical Theology, the Nephilim are the giant offspring of the sons of God (Watchers, rebellious angels) and human women. These giants are depicted as tyrannical leaders of earthly tribes and kingdoms: Og of Bashan, Goliath of Gath, Anak the progenitor of the Anakites,…(Hercules?).

In the Hebrew folklore, specifically, the Enochic literature, the giants have ravenous appetites, ruling the people with an iron fist, demanding to feed, even on human flesh. They are in every way tyrants who order their societies around their own lusts, hungers, and thirsts.

Here he has it that, “Nephilim are the giant offspring” which biblically contextually means, “Nephilim are the Nephilim offspring” so he is watering down terminology by his misusage which is the only thing that allows him to correlate data points that have nothing to do with each other such as mashing Nephilim together with, “Og of Bashan, Goliath of Gath, Anak” and even, “(Hercules?).”

“In the Hebrew folklore” the sky’s the limit, see my article How Nephilim Absconded from the Tanakh and Invaded Folkloric Territory.

Interestingly, he notes, “their fathers, the fallen angels now chained in Tartarus” which is what ought to have alerted him that the, “similar supernatural events…occurred again after the Flood” is a non-issue. Again, Jude and 2 Peter 2 combined refer to a sin of Angels, place that sin to pre-flood days, etc. now, while they do not specify when they were incarcerated, since the flood was when God was cleaning house, as it were, just pre-flood or intra-flood would be the logical time when they were incarcerated.

He then notes, “A Case Study: You may ask how ‘evil clowns’ fit into this paradigm. Take Stephen King’s It, a horror novel about a group of children who are terrorized by a malevolent, shape-shifting entity that most often appears as a clown named Pennywise.” And the concept of trickster spirits has been around, by any other name, for millennia. Such is part of the dark side of clownery.

Thus, continuing:

Are Nephilim Clowns?

Nephilim can only be clowns in a Gnostic world. Gnosticism, though not a defined system of thought, tends to see the world as polarized between good and evil and ultimately is antimaterialist, seeing the ultimate reality of life, not about the physical universe, but about eternal spiritual realities.

And King’s It is a straight up Gnostic tale indeed.

As for Nephilim and clows well, the concept that clowns’ appearance (and clowns have varies very greatly from time to time and culture to culture) is premise on how Nephilim looked it an utterly incoherent fantasy.

In fact, as admitted by Stobbs, this all began when he had a flashback after years of using and abusing hardcore hallucinogenic drugs.

The claim that Nephilim looked like clowns is based on a miscomprehension of the relevant linguistics, reliance on faulty sources, folklore, and mere assertions.

His Nephilology is literally 100% un-biblical.

As for whether there are some aspects of some versions of some clows that can be correlated to Nephilim due to being contra God’s created order and such well, sure, yet, that is too generic—we might as well say that the dark side of clowns is based on Satan himself.

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Elijah Adebiyi’s long lost post: HOW DID GIANTS APPEAR IN SCRIPTURES AFTER THE FLOOD!

Well, it’s not long lost and was only found, really just preserved, by me. A certain Elijah Adebiyi posted HOW DID GIANTS APPEAR IN SCRIPTURES AFTER THE FLOOD! on Facebook, I proceeded to offer iron sharpening iron corrections of his post and of some comments by his readers and in the middle of that, I got a, “This content isn’t available right now” since he deleted it—when we seek to sharpen iron with iron, someone tends to get cut.

Yet, as I tend to do, I was keeping track of the post and comments by copying and pasting them on a Word doc so I have that which it contained.

Elijah’s post read:

First of all Let me Clarify One thing here!

Look at this Image Below, How can Such a Giant be as a Result of Mere Genetical and Biological Mixups in the Blood?

And this Image is NOT CLOSE to How Giants are Actually gigantic in the days  of the Anakims.

This was how the Bible Described them;

Numbers 13:33

“And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and WE WERE IN OUR OWN SIGHT AS GRASSHOPPERS, and so we were in their sight”

Although they Brought an evil report, Yet the Reports were very FACTUAL!

These guys are Giants and the People are Like Grasshoppers.

Which means a single Giant in those Days Can Use Two fingers to Pick 2 to 5 people up and Throw them into their Throats

That’s Who Giants they were!

When Prophet Isaiah wanted to Describe the Inferiority of Grasshopper, He Compared them to the Greatness of God.

Isaiah 40:22

“It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers…”

This Description which Isaiah Gave here was the Closest thing to How Giants Look like in those days.

This Cannot be Only Biological and Genetical Malfunction. There is Something More.

There is a Catalyst Somewhere Powering that Gigantism in their Systems.

I have Made a Post about the Nephilim and Told us that the Giants that Surfaced the Earth are NORMAL HUMANS but with a Nephilic Blood Corruption, Like an INFECTION through the Reproduction in their Family Bloodline.

Let me Begin from where we Sourced Giants in the Bible.

Genesis 6:4

“There were giants in the earth in those days; AND ALSO AFTER THAT, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown”

Let’s Leave the Sons of God and Daughters of Men Now!

If you wanna Know about the Organic Origin of Nephilims, I will Paste it in the Comments section.

The Subject here is How did they Resurface in the Earth after the Flood.

The Bible Said in that Scripture above that

“There were Giants in the Earth in those days and ALSO AFTER THAT…”

Which means the Bible is Confirming that Giants Existed In those Days before the Flood,

And After the Flood, Giants Existed and that these giants are Traceable to the Giants Before the Flood!

Which means in that Context of that Scripture the Giants after the Flood are Indirectly or Somehow Connected to the Giant that were Destroyed in the flood.

So what is that connection?

Who Brought about the Connection?

How were they Reproduced?

I’m not Sharing anything from my Revelations or High Sounding Nonsense as we tag it!😅

I will quoting Scriptures and Comparing Scriptures with Scriptures.

Follow!!!

A certain Darra Dawn replied:

Thank you revealator/teacher.

As I read it’s as though in some sense I’m transported upon the energies there-in, and knowledge is increased/expanded. Such a Blessing.

Elijah Adebiyi replied:

Thanks for engaging Ma’am

Glory to the Father 🙌❤️

I, True Freethinker, replied with my main corrections—and didn’t get a, “Thanks for engaging” but got a deletion:

Asking “HOW DID GIANTS APPEAR IN SCRIPTURES AFTER THE FLOOD!” isn’t the primary question, the primary one is, “DID GIANTS APPEAR IN SCRIPTURES AFTER THE FLOOD!” no one can answer you until you first answer: What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s your usage? Do those two usages agree? Without those answers, we either can’t know to what you’re referring or we have to work hard to attempt to guess.

As for, “this Image Below” it’s just a fantasy so what of it?

Well, it seems that by “giants” you mean something vaguely generic about subjectively unusual height of some unknown level above the parochial average (and yes, that is how useless the common parlance usage of that modern English word is).

If that’s the case then your usage doesn’t agree with the English Bibles’ since the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word giants in English Bibles is that it merely renders (doesn’t even translate) Nephilim in 2 verses or Repha/im in 98% of all others and so never even hints at anything to do with any sort of height whatsoever.

You misrepresented Num 13 when you said, “This was how the Bible Described them” since you failed to point out that you’re relying on:

1. One single unreliable sentence

2. From strictly non-LXX versions (since that version’s version of that verse doesn’t even mention Anakim)

3. Of an unreliable “evil report”

4. By 10 unreliable guys

5. Whom God rebuked—to death

6. Who made five mere assertions unbacked by even one single other verse in the whole Bible

7. Who contradicted Moses, Cable, Joshua, God, and the rest of the whole entire Bible

I could go on but see my post “Chapter sample: On the Post Flood Nephilim Proposal.”

You assert, “the Reports were very FACTUAL!” but the fact is what I noted in point 6: and if you disagree, you’ll have to provide evidence for all five of their assertions—even when they literally contradict the report of a good land flowing with milk and honey and claim that it eats up it’s inhabitants.

So, it’s only in a false fantasy tall-tale that, “These guys are Giants and the People are Like Grasshoppers.”

Notice that you ended up saying that “giants” were so big that they could sit upon the circle of the Earth.

You asserted, “Nephilim…are NORMAL HUMANS but with a Nephilic Blood Corruption” (whatever that means) but the original, traditional, and majority view among the earliest Jewish and Christians commentators, starting in BC days, was the Angel view as I proved in my book “On the Genesis 6 Affair’s Sons of God: Angels or Not?: A Survey of Early Jewish and Christian Commentaries Including Notes on Giants and the Nephilim.”

Again, you use “giants” to mean something about height but then quote Gen 6:4 which has no physical description of them. The dirty little secret is that since we’ve no reliable physical description of Nephilim then their height is a non-issue and that alone debunks 99% of un-biblical Nephilology—the modern branch of which is just un-biblical neo-theo sci-fi tall-tales. FYI: I’ve written some dozen research based Nephilology books.

Again, “The Subject here is” not, “How did they Resurface in the Earth after the Flood” but did they? The biblical answer is no since God didn’t fail, didn’t miss a loophole, the flood wasn’t much of a waste, etc.

Note that you asserted, “‘…ALSO AFTER THAT…’ Which means the Bible is Confirming that Giants Existed In those Days before the Flood” but you forgot that you actually quoted the whole verse just before that and it told us exactly to what days, and after what days, it was referring.

Well, it can’t mean anything about the flood since:

1) the flood’s not even mentioned for the very first time until a full 13 verses later.

2) the ONLY post-flood reference to Nephilim is from an “evil report” by 10 unreliable guys whom God rebuked.

3) God didn’t fail, He didn’t miss a loophole, the flood wasn’t much of a waste, etc.

Gen 6:4 states, “Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.”

The question becomes: when were those days?

Well, Gen 6:1 told us, “When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose.”

The next question becomes: when was afterward?

Since it was after those days then it was simply after, “When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them…”

Thus, they began doing it then and they continued to do it but that’s all pre-flood.

As per my note about the 98% usage, please understand that when you read about “After the Flood, Giants Existed” you’re no longer reading about Nephilim, you’re reading about Rephaim.

Thus, there’s literally zero reliable indication that, “Context of that Scripture the Giants after the Flood are Indirectly or Somehow Connected to the Giant that were Destroyed in the flood.”

Abang Lawrence commented—keep in mind that no one had occasion to reply to me since it took mere minutes for the post to be deleted:

Let the bible interprete itself. The postflood giants were a product of the line of Ham. The only way that could have happened is that one or more of the wives of Noah’s sons was a carrier of pre-flood Nephilim DNA.

For reference on the concept of the spies being like grasshoppers in the sight of the giants, read the account of the size of King Og of Bashan for an idea of the height of post-flood giants. Og was around 13-14ft if you convert feom the Royal Standard Cubit to feet. Goliath was probably a bit shorter than Og.

True Freethinker

We can’t know what you mean by “The postflood giants were a product of the line of Ham” until you tell us: what’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s your usage? Do those two usages agree?

Considering you go on to write about Nephilim—jumping from one language to another only confuses things—then please note that the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word giants in English Bibles is that it merely renders (doesn’t even translate) Nephilim in 2 verses or Repha/im in 98% of all others and so never even hints at anything to do with any sort of height whatsoever.

When you write “The only way that could have happened is that one or more of the wives of Noah’s sons was a carrier of pre-flood Nephilim DNA” you presupposed there were such things as post-flood Nephilim but that implies that God failed and the flood was much of a waste since God missed the, “carrier of pre-flood Nephilim DNA” loophole.

You misrepresent Num 13 when you generically refer to, “the spies being like grasshoppers…” since there were 12 of them but you actually believe the 10 unreliable ones who presented an “evil report” and were rebuked my God.

There is no, “account of the size of King Og” you merely assert, “Og was around 13-14ft” but there’s no biblical statement about that: we don’t have a physical description of him.

As for Goliath, the Masoretic text has Goliath at just shy of 10 ft. Yet, the earlier LXX and the earlier Dead Sea Scrolls and the earlier Flavius Josephus all have him at just shy of 7 ft. (compared to the average Israelite male who was 5.0-5.3 ft. in those days) so that’s the preponderance of the earliest data.

Also, they are both referred to as Rephaim, not Nephilim, literally every time they’re mentioned.

You seem to be trying to understand this issue but are making some very basic but gigantic errors, my friend, I’ve familiarized myself with over two millennia worth of relevant data that I used to write my dozen, or so, Nephilology books.

I also have lots of videos on it.

And hundreds of articles on my website.

Nachi Igwe

Much misconception on this subject everywhere. There were no NEPHILIM after the flood. The “giants” after the flood are not the Nephilim that God extinguished by flood.

The Nephilim are returning in these last days through genetic engineering.

True Freethinker

Indeed, Num 13:33 is an unreliable “evil report” by 10 guys whom God rebuked and in 98% of the usages of “giants” in English Bibles it refers to Rephaim, not Nephilim. Also, there’s no indication of, “Nephilim are returning” and God didn’t miss that loophole so the flood wasn’t much of a waste.

Atobatele Biodun Jeremiah

From another perspective… don’t you think the Statement “We were in our own sight as grasshoppers…” Is a Simile (A figurative expression).

Though, this statement didn’t invalidate the Presence of the Giants in the land.

Elijah Adebiyi

13 to 15 feet high and 6-8 feet wide is not an Exergerration that Almost 3 to 4 times the high and width of an average Human

Imagine Standing before a Human who is 4 times Robust than You and 4 times Higher than You.

This is a size higher than a Street Pole😅

True Freethinker

Have you ever read Num chaps 13-14? You’re telling people to believe an unreliable sentence form non-LXX versions of an unreliable “evil report” by 10 unreliable guys whom God rebuked.

Celestial Wonder

I believe some giants with the corrupted blood are still around.

Heard reports of a Kandahar giant around Iraq found inside a cave that killed many of the Special Forces. Some witnesses say it was a terrible sight before they finally killed him and everything was kept under wraps which is why it’s difficult to confirm if it’s true or not.

Elijah Adebiyi

Probably!!!

Giants after the days of Joshua Lived in Secret and they Become Inferior and Scanty and Millennials Passed by.

If they Exist now, that’s what they Would do.

They Would Live in the Most Secret Place of the Earth.

True Freethinker

Elijah Adebiyi The Kandahar giant tall-tale is just an internet hoax based on some anonymous guys making vague claims about generic regions and sold to us by two guys who make a living by selling un-biblical tall-tales to Christians: LA Marzulli and the plagiarist and evolutionist Steven Quayle. And those who merely assert that it was a Nephil imply that God failed, missed a loophole, the flood was much of a waste, etc., etc., etc.

Godson Jay

I have a theory.

If God found Noah righteous, it makes sense to think he didn’t have any connections with the abnormalities (perversions) in those days. If He and his sons found favour in God’s eyes then it makes sense to think that’s probably why( not certainly why)

The genesis story tells us how those giants came into existence. Angels left their estate to take wives for themselves and their offsprings were giants.

If Angels could leave then( pre-flood) what stopped angels from leaving (post flood)?

True Freethinker

What “stopped angels from leaving (post flood)” is that as per Jude and 2 Peter 2 they were incarcerated.

Anthony Ukeje

How did the giants slept with the daughter of men,who are like an’t in there sight.

Spiceman Deejay

it’s the angels who slept with daughters of men and the product was giants.

True Freethinker

Anthony Ukeje The dirty little secret is that since we’ve no reliable physical description of Nephilim then their height is a non-issue and that alone debunks 99% of un-biblical Nephilology—the modern branch of which is just un-biblical neo-theo sci-fi tall-tales.

FYI: I’ve written some dozen, or so, Nephilology books.

I also have lots of videos on it.

And hundreds of articles on my website.

Rotimi Adamson Ade

The giants probably came from the line of the sons of Noah.

True Freethinker

I’m unsure how anyone can pretend to answer you until you first tell us: What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s your usage? Do those two usages agree?

Palesa Ya Tlokoeng Khongoana

Overreacting giants didn’t exist after flood. We most check the book first. Old testament it was not written after flood it was written before the flood.

True Freethinker

What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s your usage? Do those two usages agree?

Raymond Opeyemi Oluwadamilare Goodnews

The giants before the flood were half human and half-angel. Therefore, they didnt die in the flood. They resurfaced after the flood, seen as extraordinary men and later became demons (powerful beings that are not see with naked eyes but have ability to possess people).

True Freethinker

Raymond Opeyemi Oluwadamilare Goodnews So you seem to teach that God failed, missed that loophole, and the flood was much of a waste. Also, you contradicted the Bible five times since we’re told who survived but Nephilim aren’t on any of those lists (Genesis 7:7, 23; Hebrews 11:7; 1 Peter 3:20; and 2 Peter 2:5).): does that matter to you?

Michael Kunda

Those nephilines before the flood were different totally different from the giants after #1) the metaphor used in numbers that they looked like grasshoppers was exaggerations of things, yes they were of big stature but not to look like grasshoppers #2) Rahab was a prostitute who prostituted with those beings in Jericho and she was incorporated in Israel and in the lineage of Jesus.

True Freethinker

Indeed, the post is just typical pop-Nephilology fantasy tall-tales sold to Christians. I’ve written whole books debunking such stuff. [see “Nephilim and Giants: Believe It or Not!: Ancient and Neo-Theo-Sci-Fi Tall Tales.”

Also, “Nephilim and Giants as per Pop-Researchers: A Comprehensive Consideration of the claims of I.D.E. Thomas, Chuck Missler, Dante Fortson, Derek Gilbert, Brian Godawa, Patrick Heron, Thomas Horn, Ken Johnson, L.A. Marzulli, Josh Peck, CK Quarterman, Steve Quayle, Rob Skiba, Gary Wayne, Jim Wilhelmsen, et al.”]

David Njeru

The kolbrin Bible has a better description of life before the flood.but it’s not for the neives,

True Freethinker

As I noted in an article, “The Kolbrin Bible has a sorted history which the 21st Century Master Edition by Janice Manning (editor) and Marshall Masters (contributor) put as that it, ‘contains…historical and prophetic anthology…an ancient secular academic work; it offers alternate accounts of several stories from the Holy Bible and other wisdom texts.'”

Edward Katuka

The question here was that. Is the flood affected only middle East or all over the earth? This will lead us to know were Giants lives before and after the flood.

True Freethinker

Don’t follow Elijah’s lead by referring to the vague, generic, subjective, and multi-usage modern English word “giants.” The scope of the flood is irrelevant to Nephilology since they either didn’t make it past the flood because it was global or because they lived in the flooded region: either way, they didn’t make it past the flood in any way, shape, or form.

Lawrence John

The flood wasn’t global, plus they could have survived somehow those who escaped to high mountains

True Freethinker

So you claim that God missed that loophole so He failed and the flood was much of a waste then, right? Also, you contradicted the Bible five times since we’re told who survived the flood but Nephilim aren’t on any of the lists (Genesis 7:7, 23; Hebrews 11:7; 1 Peter 3:20; and 2 Peter 2:5): does that matter to you?

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On the claim that “Nephilim Giants in the Bible: Archaeological evidence sparks new discussion”

Greg Garrison, who, “covers religion nationally,” wrote an article titled Nephilim Giants in the Bible: Archaeological evidence sparks new discussion for the Alabama Media Group.

Biblically contextually, “Nephilim Giants” means, “Nephilim Nephilim” and that the article begins with an image of, “Goliath faces David” begs these key questions: what’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s Garrison’s usage? Do those two usages agree?

The premise is, “An article about biblical archaeology” which is that about which I wrote in my article Nephilim Giants Revealed in Ancient Egyptian Scroll—get excited and stuff!!!

He notes that the (old) news, “rekindled talk about the giants mentioned the in Bible” about which I say old since I wrote about the people group featured in the scroll and new articles, the Shasu, in my 2019 book What Does the Bible Say About Giants and Nephilim? A Styled Giantology and Nephilology. Thus, this isn’t in the least bit new: it’s just that a document was uncovered that mentions something that’s already well known to us who cover such issues form a research-based background.

He refers to, “most famous giant is Goliath…But Goliath wasn’t the only biblical reference to giants.”

Moreover:

“The Bible mentions the existence of giants in a number of key places,” according to Associates for Biblical Research. “The story of David’s confrontation with Goliath (I Samuel 17: 4) is but one example. Deuteronomy 3:11 tells us of Og, the King of Bashan. He was said to be the last of the Rephaim—a race of giants. Ishbi-Benob of II Samuel 21: 16 is another example. Giants and races of giants appear in numerous places throughout the Scriptures.”

Sadly, the ABR also employed that modern English term without defining it. So, we might as well get right to it since, let’s face it, this is about something vaguely generic about subjectively unusual height of some unknown level above the parochial average (and yes, that is how useless the common parlance usage of that modern English word is).

The usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word giants in English Bibles is that it merely renders (doesn’t even translate) Nephilim in 2 verses or Repha/im in 98% of all others and so never even hints at anything to do with any sort of height whatsoever.

Thus, Garrison’s and the ABR’s usage doesn’t agree.

When modern English readers read of Goliath as a giant they’re really just reading of him being identified by his tribal affiliation: he was a Repha and so was Og and Ishbi-Benob.

Biblically contextually, “Rephaim—a race of giants” means, “Rephaim—a race of Rephaim” and, “Giants and races of giants” means, “Rephaim and races of Rephaim.”

These are linguistics issues but are fundamental to an understanding since most people read the modern English word giants, merely subjectively imagine the usage, and apply it subjectively to whatever they’re trying to sound exciting.

See my linguistics book Bible Encyclopedias and Dictionaries on Angels, Demons, Nephilim, and Giants: From 1851 to 2010.

In this case, “Shasu warriors, whose height from nose to foot varied from…a height of at least 6 feet, 8 inches tall, up to 8 feet, 6 inches tall” so basically, pro basketball player heights.

Greg Garrison noted:

The Book of Genesis, chapter 6:1-4, describes the Nephilim: “There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown,” the King James Version says.

The Living Bible translation renders it as: “In those days, and even afterwards, when the evil beings from the spirit world were sexually involved with human women, their children became giants, of whom so many legends are told.”

The Hebrew word Nephilim is usually translated as giants or fallen ones, as in Numbers 13:33, which describes the Israelites encountering very large people:

“And there we saw the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight,” the King James Version says.

“We saw there the Nephilim, the descendants of Anak, who are of the giants,” the Modern Language translation says. “Even to ourselves we looked like grasshoppers, and so we looked to them.”

This ranged from much ado about nothing to a misrepresentation.

With a mindset of giants as referring to something vaguely generic about subjectively unusual height of some unknown level above the parochial average, Gen 6 is irrelevant since it doesn’t physically describe Nephilim and reading something vaguely generic about subjectively unusual height of some unknown level above the parochial average into the modern English word giants is just a word-concept fallacy.

Linguistically technically, it’s not, “usually translated as giants” since that’s a mere rendering, not a translation, “fallen ones” is more of a translation.

It’s aggrandizing to generically write, “in Numbers 13:33, which describes the Israelites encountering very large people” since that was only 10 guys.

When appealing to that, he really needed to mention that he’s relying on:

  1. One single unreliable sentence
  2. From strictly non-LXX versions (since that version’s version of that verse doesn’t even mention Anakim)
  3. Of an unreliable “evil report”
  4. By 10 unreliable guys
  5. Whom God rebuked—to death
  6. Who made five mere assertions unbacked by even one single other verse in the whole Bible
  7. Who contradicted Moses, Cable, Joshua, God, and the rest of the whole entire Bible

I could go on but see my post Chapter sample: On the Post Flood Nephilim Proposal.

The dirty little secret is that since we’ve no reliable physical description of Nephilim then their height is a non-issue and that alone debunks 99% of un-biblical Nephilology—the modern branch of which is just un-biblical neo-theo sci-fi tall-tales.

Thus, much ado about nothing has produced much ado about much abo about nothing but such occurrences are always a good opportunity to clear up some myth-understandings.

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The Extrabiblical Librarian on the Nephilim Giants Related Days of Noah

A certain Sarah published an As in the Days of Noah Series of articles on the Extrabiblical Librarian site which was of interest to me since I have written the following contextually relevant books:

The Apocryphal Nephilim and Giants: Encountering Nephilim and Giants in Extra-Biblical Texts

In Consideration of the Book(s) of Enoch

The Paranormal in Early Jewish and Christian Commentaries: Over a Millennia’s Worth of Comments on Angels, Cherubim, Seraphim, Satan, the Devil, Demons, the Serpent and the Dragon

Sarah self-IDs as, “I love the Bible, Yahushua (Jesus), and His commands. I also have a strong passion for extra-biblical writings!”

First in the series is What Can We Learn about Angels from Extra-Biblical Books?

An intriguing statement in the intro is, “Yahushua (Jesus) equated His return to the days of Noah. In this series, we will investigate what extra-biblical books reveal about the days of Noah” which is intriguing since via texts such the Bible contradicting folklore in 1 Enoch from centuries, if not millennia, after the Torah, we get what may range from historical fiction to fraudulent hoax and from delusions of prophecy to much more including any mixture of these—which is the stuff of which pseudepigrapha, as well as some apocrypha, is made.

Sarah notes, “Angels are often called messengers” but it is more a matter of that the Hebrew מַּלְאָכִ/mal’āḵ means messenger—this was a mere linguistics note.

She added, “They are also known as sons of God in the Book of Job. (Job 1:6-7, 2:1-2, 38:7)” about which I will emphasize that Job 38:7, as one example, shows us that sons of God can refer to non-human beings (which the LXX has as ἄγγελοί/Angeloi: plural of Angelos) since they, at the very least, witnessed the creation of the Earth.

I will note that she quotes the Literal Standard Version of Jubilees 2:2 which refers to God creating, “all the spirits which serve before Him—the messengers” but that is a problematic and wrongly translated/rendered modern English category into which to put Angels since they are not spirits.

Biblically, Angels are always described as looking like human males, performing physical actions, and without indication that such is not their ontology—see my book What Does the Bible Say About Angels? A Styled Angelology.

Saran goes on to note, “1 Enoch, specifies three types of angels: cherubim, seraphim, and ophanim” yet, such a statement is actually quite common but it is a category error which violates the law of identity.

Angels, Cherubim, Seraphim, and Ophanim are four categories of being which are distinguished one from another in at least three ways: different job titles, different job functions, different morphologies.

The only types of Angels, if we may categorize them as such, would be The Angel of the LORD, the Archangel (Michael), and regular Angels (I suppose) with subcategories perhaps being able to be said to be guardian Angels, the Angel of death/destroying Angel, etc. if, that is, those are wholly roles and not styled additional duties as it were.

She adds, “Watchers are another type of angel” but its is more of another case of a linguistics issue since Watchers is really merely an a.k.a. for Malakim/Angels from the Second Temple Era (516 BC-70 AD: which is why it is used in 1 Enoch, for example).

Sarah wrote, “Another Watcher: Lucifer” but that takes us back to the category error since he is a Cherub (Ezek 28). Thus, when she continues with, “He became the first fallen watcher” he actually became the first, and perhaps only, fallen Cherub.

As for that fall, she notes it, “probably happened shortly after Creation. (1 John 3:8)” with that verse reading, “Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.” Indeed, the moment of his fall was during the Gen 3 timeline.

She further noted, “Lucifer’s name, meaning shining one, changed to Satan, meaning adversary or accuser. His form also changed, although he still possessed extreme intelligence.”

Well, Satan is not a name but is merely one of various manners in which to refer to him. For example, Rev chaps 12 and 20 refer to, “the great dragon…that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan” There is also no indication that, “His form also changed” nor does Sarah elucidate that assertion.

We now come to the second article of the series which is titled The Sin of the Watchers.

She notes, “1 Enoch 15:6-7 teaches that angels were not intended to have wives and reproduce. Yahushua (Jesus) alluded to this in Matthew 22:30 and Mark 12:25. Elohim did not create female angels.”

That is quite correct—recall my statement regarding Angels looking just like human males.

Jesus specified that God’s Angels in heaven (two qualifiers) do not marry nor are they given in marriage.

She continued with, “But the watchers wanted wives. In the days of Jered (Enoch’s father and Noah’s great-great-grandfather), 200 watchers formed a coup. (1 Enoch 6:3-6) They disguised themselves as humans, chose wives, and had children.”

Gen 6 is vague in stating, “When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose.”

The Enoch text specifies, “In the days of Jered” and also specifies, “200”—from wherever the author got those ideas, to include merely making them up.

As for, “disguised themselves as humans” well, that is neither biblical nor Enochical and also goes contra biblical Angelology: they did not need to disguise themselves as humans since they already, ontologically, look like humans.

This, of course, got us into the Angel view of that which I term the Gen 6 affair and that view was the original, traditional, and majority view among the earliest Jewish and Christians commentators, starting in BC days, as I proved in my book On the Genesis 6 Affair’s Sons of God: Angels or Not?: A Survey of Early Jewish and Christian Commentaries Including Notes on Giants and the Nephilim.

Sarah notes, “The fallen watchers’ children were not ordinary. They were giants. Many Bible translations call them by their Hebrew name Nephilim.”

That begs the key questions: what is the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word giants in English Bibles? What is her usage? Do those two usages agree?

She notes:

The fallen Watchers taught their wives, their children, and the other humans many wicked practices. (1 Enoch 7-8) They introduced the following sins:

Fornication

Abortion

Drugs

Sorcery

Astrology

Gene alteration

Drinking blood

Cannibalism

Weapon Production

War

I am quite unsure how she got Gene alteration out of 1 Enoch.

She noted, “The faithful watchers imprisoned the fallen in an abyss under the Earth (a.k.a. Sheol). There they await their eternal punishment on Judgment Day. (1 Enoch 10:11-16, Jubilees 5:6,10) The Apostles Peter and Jude referred to this.”

Sheol is actually where all human dead went pre-Jesus’ sacrifice—it is known simply as the grave. Yet, 2 Peter 2 specifies that they were incarcerated in Tartarus which is associated with the abyss in Greek mythology—and it is to that which we must term since biblically, the term Tartarus is a hapax legomenon so there is no biblical manner whereby to define it.

Based on 1 Enoch’s assertions and whatever other sources, Sarah claims, “Before Yahushua’s return, we will again see the evils that the Watchers taught. This includes war, abortion, GMOs, homosexuality, and the alteration of human DNA.”

The next segment is The Return of the Nephilim wherein she notes that Sirach 16:7 has it that, “‘He [the Lord] was not pacified toward the old giants, who fell away in the strength of their foolishness.’ (KJVA).”

That text, from the 2nd century BC, employs the term γιγαντων/gigantōn which was rendered as giants and which is a styled genitive plural form of the noun γίγας/gigas which has a linguistic relationship with γίγαντες/gigantes.

Those words ultimately spring from a reference to the Greek mythological Earth false goddess Gaia and refer to being Earth-born, born of Gaia.

Now, γιγαντων or γίγαντες or γίγας are used by the LXX/Septuagint to render, not even translate, Nephilim in 2 verses or Repha/im in 98% of all others—and so, just in case it is relevant to anyone’s interests, never even hints at anything to do with any sort of height whatsoever.

With the title as a premise, she notes that, “we’ll tack a deeper look at the Nephilim and their prophesied return.”

From the Gen 6 affair she derives that, “Nephilim were half human and half angelic, part mortal and part immortal. They were mighty, well-known men” and from elsewhere, she adds, “According to tradition, Nephilim were extremely intelligent and had tremendous physical abilities.”

From elsewhere still, she adds, “Remains of major Nephilim civilizations have been found in Peru and the Ohio Valley. Their skeletons have surfaced all over the world! They had enormous skulls and reached heights of anywhere from 8 to 36 feet. Some had 6 fingers and toes and even 2 sets of teeth.”

There is only one slight problem with those assertions: there is literally zero indication of any of it.

See, the reasoning is that we can know that, “major Nephilim civilizations have been found” due to having found, “Their skeletons” which feature, “enormous skulls…8 to 36 feet…6 fingers and toes and even 2 sets of teeth.”

Yet, the dirty little secret is that since we have no reliable physical description of Nephilim then we cannot know that we found their civilizations, nor their skeletons, nor that we can know that any height range identifies them, nor that they had even 2 sets of teeth and as for 6 fingers and toes well, we do not know that either and the only person in the whole Bible referred to as having extra digits was a Repha, not a Nephil (2 Sam 21).

Now, as for, “The Return of the Nephilim…their prophesied return,” Sarah wrote, “The Bible says all that breathed died during the Flood. (Genesis 7:21-23) This included the Nephilim” thus, logically—and bio-logically and theo-logically—that was the end of them in any way shape or form since God did not fail, did not miss a loophole, the flood was not much of a waste, etc., etc., etc. so that there cannot even be any sort of return of them.

Yet, she assures us:

Nephilim returned in Numbers 13:33 when the children of Israel spied out the land of Canaan.

Numbers 13:33 “We saw there [Canaan] the Nephilim, sons of Anaq, of the Nephilim. And we were like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and so we were in their eyes.” (TS2009)

The spies’ testimony presents the questions: What happened to the Nephilim during the Flood? And how did they return?

This is a typical misrepresentation of the concept and that verse has been popularized by pop-Nephilologists—who make a living by selling un-biblical tall-tales to Christians.

Note the oddity of writing in terms of, “returned in Numbers 13:33” since that is really telling us returned in a citation. Some key hermeneutical questions are: who said it, why was it said, was it accurate, what was the reaction to it, etc.

It was not, “when the children of Israel spied out the land” but when 12 men did so.

And the, “We” were the 10 unreliable, unfaithful, disloyal, contradictory, embellishers.

See, when one refers to Num 13:33 they need to mention that they are relying on:

  1. One single unreliable sentence
  2. From strictly non-LXX versions (since that version’s version of that verse does not even mention Anakim)
  3. Of an unreliable “evil report”
  4. By 10 unreliable guys
  5. Whom God rebuked—to death
  6. Who made five mere assertions unbacked by even one single other verse in the whole Bible
  7. Who contradicted Moses, Cable, Joshua, God, and the rest of the whole entire Bible

I could go on but see my post Chapter sample: On the Post Flood Nephilim Proposal.

Thus, it was not the generically vague, “spies’ testimony” but the evil report of the 10. Ergo, what that tells us about, “how did they return?” is nothing. The primary question is not, “how did they return?” but is rather, “did they return?” the biblical answer to which is: of course not since, again, God did not fail, etc., and there is literally zero reliable indication of it.

Sarah next moves from Gen 6:4 (the reliable record of Nephilim) and Num 13:33 (the unreliable scare-tactic, fear-mongering, “Don’t go in the woods!!!” style of tall-tale about them) to her premise, apocryphal pseudepigrapha:

Nephilim Spirits Became Demons

Although the watchers’ children died, the Nephilim were still active, immortal spirits. YHWH did not create these spirits. So, unlike man, Nephilim spirits did not return to YHWH. (Ecclesiastes 3:21)

Satan was given authority over 1/10 of these hybrid spirits. Like the Devil, they were forced to wander to and fro on the Earth. They sought hosts, preferably human hosts, and did their best to torture and mislead humanity. They became known as evil spirits or demons. (1 Enoch 15:8-12, Jubilees 10:1-9)

The spirits of the Nephilim are what we call demons.

Demons are the spirits of the deceased Nephilim.

That demons are the spirits of dead Nephilim is just folklore from centuries, if not millennia, after the Torah. For a biblical view, please see my article Demons Ex Machina: What are Demons?

The 1/10 stat is another detail that is merely asserted the Enoch text and Sarah added:

When Satan was given 1/10 of the demons, the other 9/10 were imprisoned in a place called “the pit of the deep.” In the Book of Revelation, John saw these spirits unleashed in the End Days.

Revelation 9:1 “The fifth messenger sounded, and I saw a star from the heaven which had fallen to the earth. And the key to the pit of the deep was given to him.” (TS2009)

This star is likely Satan. (See Isaiah 14:12-14)

Recall that Angels were incarcerated in Tartarus which is associated with the abyss, well, Rev 9 is about disembodied Angels (demons) reinhabiting their bodies as they emerge from the abyss.

Also, the star is specifically said to be, “the angel of the bottomless pit [abyss]” and, again, Satan is a Cherub, not an Angel.

I filled a chapter of my book Nephilim and Giants as per Pop-Researchers with examples of pop-Nephilologists misusing Jesus’ statement in Matthew 24:37 “For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man” (FYI: the subtitle of the book is A Comprehensive Consideration of the claims of I.D.E. Thomas, Chuck Missler, Dante Fortson, Derek Gilbert, Brian Godawa, Patrick Heron, Thomas Horn, Ken Johnson, L.A. Marzulli, Josh Peck, CK Quarterman, Steve Quayle, Rob Skiba, Gary Wayne, Jim Wilhelmsen, et al.)

Sadly, Sarah followed their MO by asserting, “The days before Yahushua’s (Jesus’) return, the End Days, will be days of the Nephilim” and yet, there is literally zero indication of any concept of any, “Return of the Nephilim” ever and no, “prophesied return.”

Not even the wildly imaginative 1 Enoch has physical post-flood Nephilim.

However, for support she quotes these texts:

Joel 2:1b-2 “Let all the inhabitants of the earth tremble, for the day of יהוה is coming, for it is near: a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick darkness, like the morning clouds spread over the mountains – a people many and strong, the like of whom has never been, nor shall there ever be again after them, to the years of many generations.” (TS2009)

Jeremiah 30:7 “Oh! For great is that day, there is none like it. And it is the time of Ya‛aqoḇ’s [Jacob’s] distress, but he shall be saved out of it.” (TS2009)

Yet, she is committing a styled word-concept fallacy: she misread Rev 9 as referring to Nephilim and so misreads something about, “darkness and gloom…clouds and thick darkness…clouds” as being Nephilim, “people many and strong” yet, that is illogical, ill-biological, and ill-theological.

As is reading Nephilim into, “distress.”

No texts which can be forced to appear to predict a return of Nephilim are to be had because none exist: not even in apocrypha or pseudepigrapha.

And that brings us to the end of the series in which Sarah provided some interesting extra-biblical info of whatever level of factuality and yet, along with linguistic and conceptual missteps—to include non-existing prophecies.

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Nephilim Giants Revealed in Ancient Egyptian Scroll—get excited and stuff!!!

Nothing like much ado about nothing written by people who literally have no idea what they’re talking about but, hey, click-bait is chum to pop-Nephilologists (who manufacture and sell un-biblical tall-tales to Christians for a living.

First up is the Daily Mail article Long-lost Egyptian scroll fuels debate over real-life biblical giants by Rob Waugh who notes:

An ancient Egyptian papyrus held by the British Museum has been cited as possible evidence supporting some of the Bible’s most controversial claims about giants.

The 3,300-year-old document, known as Anastasi I, has been in the museum’s collection since 1839 and has recently resurfaced on the Associates for Biblical Research, renewing interest in its possible links to biblical accounts.

The papyrus describes encounters with the Shosu people, said to stand ‘four cubits or five cubits’ tall, up to eight feet in height.

By the way, it’s a, “3,300-year-old document…roughly the 13th century BCE” with BCE being anti-Christian propaganda for BC.

Unsure how that people group about whom I wrote in my 2019 book What Does the Bible Say About Giants and Nephilim?: A Styled Giantology and Nephilology is news in 2026—unless I was that ahead of this issue.

Now, when it comes to, “giants” some key questions are: What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s any given user’s usage? Do those two usages agree?

In this case the very exciting term, giants!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! means, “eight feet in height.” Well, for one we can know that there’s no agreement since the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word giants in English Bibles is that it merely renders (doesn’t even translate) Nephilim in 2 verses or Repha/im in 98% of all others and so never even hints at anything to do with any sort of height whatsoever.

So, the exciting sounding, “the Bible’s most controversial claims about giants” means, “the Bible’s most controversial claims about up to, at the highest range, eight feet in height.

Thus, “real-life biblical giants,” as per this article, were 8ft at the very tallest.

I’m unsure what that has to do with anything, actually.

We’re told that this, “provides rare non-biblical corroboration of Old Testament accounts of giants, which appear repeatedly beyond the familiar story of David and Goliath.” That’s convenient to assert when we’re not even told how tall Goliath was.

The Masoretic text has Goliath at just shy of 10 ft. Yet, the earlier LXX and the earlier Dead Sea Scrolls and the earlier Flavius Josephus all have him at just shy of 7 ft. (compared to the average Israelite male who was 5.0-5.3 ft. in those days) so that’s the preponderance of the earliest data.

We’re told:

Several passages describe entire races or tribes of exceptionally large people, some of whom were said to have terrified the Israelites.

In Genesis chapter 6, the Bible states, ‘There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.’

We’ll have to see how many entail, “Several” but did you read anything about, “exceptionally large” in that quote?—keep in mind that, “large” are just as vague, generic, subjective and multi-usage as, “giants” (as is, “exceptionally”).

Continuing:

The Hebrew word used in this passage, Nephilim, is commonly translated as either ‘giants’ or ‘fallen ones.’ According to biblical tradition, the Nephilim were wiped out in the Flood, though later texts describe their descendants appearing in future generations.

One such account appears in Numbers 13:33, which describes the Israelites encountering enormous people during their journey: ‘And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.’

Technically, “giants” isn’t a translation, it’s a rendering, “fallen ones” is a translation. Thus, what’s being done here is committing a word-concept fallacy whereby, “giants” is being arbitrarily read as 8ft tops—and with the lower range being what, exactly?

Well, we’re told that, “exceptional size” refers to a range of, “at least six feet eight inches to eight feet six inches” (note that they grew six inches, tops, with a few paragraphs). And that’s subjective to the average Israelite male who was 5.0-5.3 ft. in those days.

Note a fundamental level contradiction in post-flood Nephilology, “Nephilim were wiped out in the Flood” but the implication is that God must have failed, must have missed a loophole, and the flood much have been much of a waste since, after all, “later texts describe their descendants appearing in future generations.”

Let’s get one thing out of the way, the impressive sounding plural, “Several” and now plural, “texts” amount to exactly a mere two.

For some odd reason, we weren’t told that for the latter claim, exclusive reliance is being placed on:

  1. One single unreliable sentence
  2. From strictly non-LXX versions (since that version’s version of that verse doesn’t even mention Anakim)
  3. Of an unreliable “evil report”
  4. By 10 unreliable guys
  5. Whom God rebuked—to death
  6. Who made five mere assertions unbacked by even one single other verse in the whole Bible
  7. Who contradicted Moses, Cable, Joshua, God, and the rest of the whole entire Bible

I could go on but see my post Chapter sample: On the Post Flood Nephilim Proposal.

Thus, the reliably biblical view is, “Nephilim were wiped out in the Flood” period, end of story, full stop well, except that centuries post-flood some unreliable guys whom God rebuked made up a scare-tactic, fear-mongering, “Don’t go in the woods!!!” type of tall-tale and it’s been retold ever since.

I can only imagine that if ignorant people didn’t incoherently tie this into Nephilim then the news would have been oh so boring: HOT OFF THE PRESS, PEOPLE AROUND THE SIZE OF PRO BASKETBALL PLAYERS EXISTED AND STUFF!!!

Furthermore:

The Egyptian Execration Texts, which list enemies on clay vessels, reference ‘ly anaq,’ or ‘people of Anak,’ a name linked to giants mentioned in the Bible.

I noted, “incoherently tie this into Nephilim” since the dirty little secret is that since we’ve no reliable physical description of Nephilim then their height is a non-issue and that alone debunks 99% of un-biblical Nephilology—the modern branch of which is just un-biblical neo-theo sci-fi tall-tales.

FYI: I’ve written some dozen research-based Nephilology books.

As for Anakim, who were like a clan of the Rephaim tribe, we’re told that all Rephaim were, on average, “tall” (Deut 2)—which is just as vague, generic, subjective and multi-usage as, “large” and, “giants”—thus, taller than 5.0-5.3ft by some unknown margin.

We’re also told:

Another biblical figure often cited is Og, king of Bashan, described in Deuteronomy 3…

The Bible states:’ For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of the giants. Indeed his bedstead was an iron bedstead. (Is it not in Rabbah of the people of Ammon?) Nine cubits is its length and four cubits its width, according to the standard cubit.’

That’s right, people who suffer from that which I term Gigorexia Nervosa (an obsession for seeing giants and just making them up where they’re nowhere to be seen) actually appeal to someone for whom we’ve no physical description as evidence of a giant.

And asserting we can know his height based on his “bed” is a non sequitur based on various mere assumptions. All indications are that it was a ritual object, not something on which he slept—see my book, The King, Og of Bashan, is Dead: The Man, the Myth, the Legend—of a Nephilim Giant?

We’re told, “Skeptics, including Dr Heiser, remain unconvinced. They note there is no archaeological evidence of giants, such as skeletal remains or oversized dwellings” even though he passed away in 2023.

Actually, what he did note some years ago is, “I don’t think the biblical giants were taller than unusually tall people of modern times (between 7-9 feet).”

Dr. Heiser was credentialed and experienced but not infallible, his Nephilology wasn’t altogether biblical, and he tended to create more problems than he solved—search online for these articles for examples:

Review of Amy Richter and Michael Heiser on four Enochian Watcher related women in Jesus’ genealogy

Rebuttal to Dr. Michael Heiser’s “All I Want for Christmas is Another Flawed Nephilim Rebuttal”

I also included him in my book, The Scholarly Academic Nephilim and Giants: What do Scholarly Academics Say About Nephilim Giants?

LAD Bible published an article by Anish Vij titled Ancient scroll could prove the existence of ‘biblical giants’, experts believe.

Key points:

…eight feet in height.

…Some experts think the text makes a reference to Og, known as the last survivor of the giant Rephaites [aka Rephaim] mentioned in Hebrew texts…

The ancient scroll could suggest that the Nephilim were real…

Researchers at the Armstrong Institute of Biblical Archaeology have also suggested that the text could be about the Shosu people and their size…

…at least six feet eight inches to eight feet six inches,” they explained.

Critics, instead, think the scroll could be accounting for military conflict rather than literal supernatural giants.

As for those who correlate Nephilim with Rephaim (and Anakim by extension) that would be a category error as well as being illogical, ill-bio-logical, and ill-theo-logical: Nephilim were strictly pre-flood hybrids, Rephaim were strictly post-flood humans, and there’s zero correlation between them.

AOL posted the article Resurfaced 3,300-year-old Egyptian document hints at biblical giants being real by Fabiana Buontempo, key points:

…Genesis chapter 6 of the Bible is about God’s response to the widespread human “wickedness” and corruptness, which was supposedly caused by Nephilim, powerful beings that were the sons of “fallen angels” and human women…

It was these sons who were described as giant [note being told they’re described as giants without defining that term] beings and referred to as “men of reknown” that caused widespread chaos which prompted God to cleanse the earth by “destroying all creatures under the sky” with “flood waters”…

…what is said in the Bible that giants existed, Numbers 13:33, a verse from the Old Testament, also hints at Israelites coming across these large figures [no hints and not generically “Israelites” by the mere 10 unreliable guys and as per non-LXX versions], “And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight”…

…close to 8 feet tall.

…supersized humans…

Thus, it’s the same ol’ tactic: water down undefined terminology, correlate unrelated things, and, by golly, you got yourself a headline—now, CLICK, SHARE, SUBSCRIBE!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, and, of course, there’s hundreds of such articles out there about this right now, and counting.

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