Claim Giants Were Not The Offspring of Angels A Refutation of the Nephilim Myth

The So Am I Books site (not “So Ammi Books”?) posted an article titled Giants Were Not The Offspring of Angels: A Refutation of the Nephilim Myth for which I could find no author attributed.

It’s noted:

Many Bible readers have been taught that giants—referred to in Scripture as the “Nephilim”—were the result of angels having sexual relations with human women. This myth has been perpetuated by various apocryphal texts like the Book of Enoch and sensationalized by modern fiction and theology.

Those, “Many Bible readers” go back to that the original, traditional, and majority view among the earliest Jewish and Christians commentators, starting in BC days, was the “Angel view” as I proved in my book, On the Genesis 6 Affair’s Sons of God: Angels or Not?: A Survey of Early Jewish and Christian Commentaries Including Notes on Giants and the Nephilim.

As for, “giants—referred to in Scripture as the ‘Nephilim,’” that begs these key questions: What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s the author’s usage? Do those two usages agree?

See, biblically contextually, “giants—referred to in Scripture as the ‘Nephilim’” means, “Nephilim—referred to in Scripture as the ‘Nephilim.’”

1 Enoch is Bible contradicting folklore from centuries, if not millennia, after the Torah, see my book, “In Consideration of the Book(s) of Enoch.”

It’s then noted that:

…a careful reading of the King James Version (KJV) of the Bible provides a very different and far more grounded explanation: giants were simply large human beings, descending from regular human bloodlines, not fallen angels.

I’m unsure why it’s a case of thus saith the KJV (in fact, we’re not even told which KJV).

Thus, the goal is to, “dismantle the angel-human hybrid theory by using solid Biblical evidence” commencing with:

The Whole Earth Repopulated by Humans — Not Angels

The Bible is clear: after the Flood, the entire earth was repopulated by the three sons of Noah—Shem, Ham, and Japheth. There is no mention of angels reproducing with women after the flood or creating hybrid beings.

Indeed, such is the case and I’m saying that as a defender of the Angel view—the Angel view doesn’t imply post-flood Nephilim.

One problem with the article is that it employs the term giants without defining it so it leaves us readers having to do the work of guessing and attempting to discern the usage at any given time.

We’re told, “the whole earth was overspread by Noah’s sons, then every human post-flood, including so-called giants, must have come from these three lineages. That alone disqualifies the idea of non-human, angelic bloodlines existing in later generations like Goliath or King Og.”

Indeed, the Angel view doesn’t necessitate nor claim that Rephaim such as Goliath and Og were Nephilim: why would it?

It’s noted, “Goliath Was a Human Philistine, Not a Nephilim” indeed: there’s never been any such thing as post-flood Nephilim and we’re told he was a Repha every time he’s mention—Nephilim were strictly pre-flood hybrids, Rephaim were strictly post-flood humans, and there’s zero correlation between them. He was of the Rephaim tribe, the Anakim clan of that tribe and a Philistine due to the region in which he lived.

We’re told, “King Og: A Giant, But Still Human” indeed, we’re told he was a Repha every time he’s mention.

It’s noted, “His bed size is given, showing he was physically large” but that’s based on a series of mere assumptions: we don’t have a physical description of him and that, “bed” was a ritual object, not something upon which he slept—see my book The King, Og of Bashan, is Dead: The Man, the Myth, the Legend—of a Nephilim Giant?

Next to be considered is, “What About the ‘Sons of God’ in Genesis 6?” the answer to which is:

Many assume these “sons of God” were angels, but this interpretation is flawed for several reasons:

Angels are spirit beings and do not marry.

“For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.” — Matthew 22:30 KJV

The term “sons of God” in the Old Testament often refers to righteous human men, especially descendants of Seth, who maintained the worship of the Most High.

Whoever wrote that oddly quoted Jesus, missed His point, based that comment upon un-biblical Angelology, and thus, came to a faulty conclusion besides adding a myth.

That, “Angels are spirit beings” is a man-made tradition largely based on one single poorly translated modern English word: spirit. Angels are always described as looking like human males, performing physical actions, and without indication that such isn’t their ontology. See my book, What Does the Bible Say About Angels? A Styled Angelology.

As for, “Angels” all-encompassing, “do not marry” is debunked by Jesus’ very carefully stated, neuanced and twice qualified statement since He didn’t generically speak vaguely about all Angels but only about, “the angels of God in heaven.” So, the loyal ones, which is why those who did marry are considered sinners since they, “left their first estate,” as Jude put it, in order to do so.

Did you notice that the author of the article then employed a qualifying term of their own (seemingly to get around difficulties to their position), “‘sons of God” in the Old Testament often” but not always, “refers to righteous human men”: Job 38:7, as one example, shows us that, “sons of God” can refer to non-human beings (which the LXX has as “Angeloi”: plural of “Angelos”) since they, at the very least, witnessed the creation of the Earth.

The descendants of Seth are never referred to as such.

It’s noted, “After the Flood, the Bible says all life outside of the ark perished. If giants had angelic blood, that bloodline would’ve been wiped out—yet we still see giants afterward like Og and Goliath, whose human lineages are well documented.”

Do you see the problem with chasing a modern English word around an ancient Hebrew text?

Here’s an accurate rewrite, “After the Flood, the Bible says all life outside of the ark perished. Since Nephilim had angelic blood, that bloodline would’ve been wiped out—yet we see Rephaim afterward like Og and Goliath, whose human lineages are well documented—which proves they have nothing to do with Nephilim.”

Now, that’s all sans Num 13:33 which is just an unreliable evil report by 10 unreliable guys whom God rebuked—see my post Chapter sample: On the Post Flood Nephilim Proposal.

We’ve come to the, “Conclusion: Giants Were Just Big Humans” but, “big” is just as vague, generic, subjective, and multi-usage as, “giants.” Likewise with, “Goliath and King Og…were large in stature” but, “large” is just as vague, generic, subjective, and multi-usage as, “big” and, “giants.”

Well, the Masoretic text has Goliath at just shy of 10 ft. Yet, the earlier LXX and the earlier Dead Sea Scrolls and the earlier Flavius Josephus all have him at just shy of 7 ft. (compared to the average Israelite male who was 5.0-5.3 ft. in those days) so that’s the preponderance of the earliest data.

So, ok, he was subjectively big/large.

So, in the end, the article did a good job at counter-arguing against a diminutive straw-man: those counters have nothing to do with the Angel view proper.

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Weird Stuff in the Bible on How did Nephilim Return After the Flood?

The Weird Stuff in the Bible site and podcast posted on the question How did Nephilim Return After the Flood?

The site notes:

Luke Taylor is the Editor-in-Chief of WeirdStuffInTheBible.com, as well as the host of the podcast. An ordained minister with the Assemblies of God, he graduated the School of Ministry in 2019, a multi-year training program through Berean School of the Bible/Global University. He has served as a staff pastor and worked in Christian media for nearly 20 years.

Thus, I will attribute the data to Taylor and will note upfront that such is the wrong primary question to ask since the proper one is Did Nephilim Return After the Flood?, the biblical answer to which is, well, we shall see.

He notes and quotes:

Genesis 6 tells us of a time before the flood when angelic spiritual beings called the Sons of God came down to earth and mated with human women…
Genesis 6:1-3 – When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose. Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.”
The Nephilim were the giants; human-like beings of unnatural size and strength. Biblical accounts generally have them ranging from 8 to 13 feet tall
This begs the following questions: What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s your usage? Do those two usages agree?

Biblically contextually, “Nephilim were the giants” reads as, “Nephilim were the Nephilim.”

And I’m unsure why he wrote, “the” since that was the first time he mentioned giants.

We get a hint as his usage of giants in that he wrote, “of unnatural size…8 to 13 feet tall.” This seems to mean that his usage of that term doesn’t agree with the English Bibles’ usage since the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word giants in English Bibles is that it merely renders (doesn’t even translate) Nephilim in 2 verses or Repha/im in 98% of all others and so never even hints at anything to do with any sort of height whatsoever.

For more linguistics details, see my book Bible Encyclopedias and Dictionaries on Angels, Demons, Nephilim, and Giants: From 1851 to 2010.

Note that he asserted that it’s actually, “Biblical accounts” which, “generally have them ranging from 8 to 13 feet tall” yet, the dirty little secret is that since we’ve no reliable physical description of Nephilim then their height is a non-issue and that alone debunks 99% of un-biblical Nephilology—the modern branch of which is just un-biblical neo-theo sci-fi tall-tales.

Thus, we will have to see where abouts, “Biblical accounts generally have them,” Nephilim, as such.

Taylor notes, “This event…was also one of the chief purposes of the flood- to wipe out the Nephilim bloodline before it corrupted all of mankind.”

He specifies, “Noah was chosen not just for his righteous character, but because he was “perfect in his generations” (Genesis 6:9), meaning his bloodline was not corrupted by the demonic Nephilim DNA.”

Well, it wouldn’t be, “demonic Nephilim DNA” but, “angelic spiritual beings” Nephilim DNA.

Now, note how fallacious Nephilology damages theology proper since just after assuring us, “This event…was also one of the chief purposes of the flood” which was specifically, “to wipe out the Nephilim bloodline before it corrupted all of mankind” the implication is that God failed, missed a loophole, the flood was much of a waste, etc., etc., etc. since, as Taylor teaches, “after the flood…Nephilim made a stunning return.”

Yet, that was no mere assertion, he actually specified, “after the flood, Scripture clearly states that these Nephilim made a stunning return.”
So then, it’s Scripture which implies that God failed, missed a loophole, the flood was much of a waste, etc., etc., etc.: let us see how.

He asks, “But how? If the Nephilim perished in the flood, then why do we see more of them showing up later in the Old Testament- such as in Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, or I & II Samuel?”

Let’s begin with that there’s no even one single word about Nephilim in Deuteronomy, Joshua, nor I & II Samuel and one only single sentence in Numbers.

He then reviews, “three popular theories to answer this mystery” as to just how it was that God failed, missed a loophole, the flood was much of a waste, etc., etc., etc.

“#1- A Localized Flood”: the scope of the flood is irrelevant to Nephilology since they either didn’t make it past the flood because it was global or because they lived in the flooded region: either way, they didn’t make it past the flood in any way, shape, or form.

Oddly, in counterarguing against that view, he noted, “a major purpose of the flood of Noah was to kill all the Nephilim. If the flood wasn’t widespread enough to kill them all, then why have a flood in the first place?” about which we can just as easily ask, “a major purpose of the flood of Noah was to kill all the Nephilim. If the flood accomplished that but then they just came right back, in some un-biblical and unelucidated manner, then why have a flood in the first place?”

“#2- Noah’s Son’s wives carried Nephilim genes” this is merely another un-biblical fantasy tall-tale about that this is what God missed, the genetic loophole.
For this view, he notes, “Dr. Laura Sanger and Ryan Pitterson” who are both pop-Nephilologists who make a living by selling un-biblical tall-tales to Christians.

He also wrote, “this theory also negates a major purpose for the flood: to wipe out the Nephilim bloodline. If some of Noah’s family carried those genetics with them onto the ark, then it was essentially all for nothing” about which we can repeat that and just add this to the end, “So, I will make up a different story that ends up with the same purpose defeating implications.
“#3- A Second Incursion” is merely another un-biblical fantasy.

For some reason, he moved from, “angelic spiritual beings…sons of God” to, “Sons of God or Watchers” with the latter being a Second Temple Era manner in which to refer to Malakim/Angels/sons of God.

This view asserts that they, “came down and reproduced with women once again after the flood” so that’s the loophole God missed.

Yet, Taylor wrote:

A basis for this is that Genesis 6:4 told us, “The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them.” Another translation, the KJV, says it like this: “There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them,”
Those who argue thusly miss the point of the text to which they appeal since, clearly, that verse can’t even be cogently said to even imaging hinting at another post-flood incursion.

It certainly is a pop-post-flood Nephilology fallacy to merely imagine that, “afterward” refers to post-flood and yet, that very verse told us exactly to what days it’s referring, “those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them…those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them.”

So when was that?

We already got our answer, “When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them.”

So, it was, “those days…When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them” and, “afterward…after…When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them.”

It’s pointing us backward in time to when it first began and then forwards from that commencement point but that’s still all pre-flood.

They began doing it and continued doing it but the flood brought it all to a full and final halt.

Taylor notes:

The argument against this view is that we have no scriptural stories of when exactly this happened. The first transgression has Genesis 6, II Peter, Jude, and the extrabiblical Book of Enoch, to tell us about it. If the watchers tried it again, we don’t have any details about when it happened.
The fact that Genesis 6 says, “and also after that,” seems to say it did actually happen, even if we don’t know exactly when.
As for, “it did actually happen, even if we don’t know exactly when” sure we do, he just quoted it, “When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them” and, “afterward…after.”

I will add that Jude and 2 Peter 2 combined refer to a sin of Angels, place that sin to pre-flood days and correlate it to sexual sin which occurred after the Angels, “left their first estate,” after which they were incarcerated, and there’s only a one-time fall/sin of Angels in the Bible.

Taylore asks, “If the second incursion theory is correct, is there a possibility of further incursions today? Could more Nephilim be created?” the biblical answer to which is, well, we shall yet see.
In order to reply in the affirmative, Taylor taps into some hip and trendy pop-post-flood Nephilology favorites:
This is a common idea among some end times Bible prophecy teachers. As Jesus said:
Matthew 24:37 – For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
It’s likely that Jesus’s words there were simply referring to mankind being spiritually blind to its impending doom in the tribulation period. However, some take this to be a hint that the circumstances of the world just before the return of Christ will bear a resemblance to the angelic transgression of Genesis 6- including a “seed war” for the bloodline of mankind.
It’s more that likely since Jesus’ words, His emphasis, His points, His context, were:

“Just as it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the Son of Man. They were eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.”

But He kept speaking directly with:

“Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot—they were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building, but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all—so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed” (Luke 17).

Thus, this was about examples of being unaware/unconcerned about coming judgment.

He then notes:

Daniel 2:41-43 – 41 And as you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, it shall be a divided kingdom, but some of the firmness of iron shall be in it, just as you saw iron mixed with the soft clay. 42 And as the toes of the feet were partly iron and partly clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly brittle. 43 As you saw the iron mixed with soft clay, so they will mix with one another in marriage, but they will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with clay.
The repeated use of the word “mix” implies a (forced?) merging of two dissimilar things- such as an angelic being and a human being.

Furthermore, it said they will mix in marriage, which sounds like how the Sons of God “took wives” from among the human women in Genesis 6.

This created the “unclean” demonic spirits of the New Testament (“unclean” also means an unnatural mixture of two things).

In short, Daniel was referring to two human people groups that would intermarry but not engage in commerce—I included a whole chapter on those few words in Daniel in my book What Does the Bible Say About Giants and Nephilim? A Styled Giantology and Nephilology. There is no context in the sentences around that not, not the paragraph surrounding them, not the entire book that allows for the pop-Nephilology misreading, misunderstanding, misinterpretation, and misapplication: it is a case of taking a text out of context to make a pretext for a prooftext.

Oddly, having counter-argued against all those options, he leaves us with an unresolved issue:

Conclusion on Nephilim after the flood
Much of this is theorizing based on the Biblical accounts, so take that for what it’s worth. Now that we have established some possibilities for where the post-flood Nephilim originated, next time we’ll look at each of the post-flood giants of the Bible.

Well, it may be that he’s drawing out the answer into multiple articles/podcasts but I will just cut to the chase.

Recall that he claimed, “The Nephilim were the giants” so consistently, “each of the post-flood giants of the Bible” can only mean, “each of the post-flood Nephilim of the Bible” all of whom would be Nephilim by definition.

Yet, his assertion that, “we see more of them [Nephilim] showing up later in the Old Testament- such as in Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, or I & II Samuel?” makes it clear that he’s committing a category error and also playing the word-swap name-game.

Again, Deuteronomy, Joshua, and I & II Samuel don’t say a single word about Nephilim so my guess is that he will merely fallaciously swap Rephaim for Nephilim and yet, Nephilim were strictly pre-flood hybrids, Rephaim were strictly post-flood humans, and there’s zero correlation between them.

Numbers 13:33 is the only post-flood Nephilim reference but it’s an unreliable sentence from an unreliable evil report by 10 unreliable guys whom God rebuked—see my Chapter sample: On the Post Flood Nephilim Proposal.

Finally, the biblical answer is that Nephilim didn’t make it past the flood in any way, shape, or form.

God didn’t fail, didn’t miss a loophole, the flood wasn’t much of a waste, etc., etc., etc.

Centuries post-flood, 10 unreliable guys merely asserted seeing them, they contradicted Moses, Caleb, Joshua, God, and the rest of the whole entire Bible and were rebuked by God.

Post-flood Nephilim are literally logically, bio-logically, and theo-logically impossible.

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Sa’Quan Hicks on “Goliath and the Nephilim Analyzing the Biblical Lineage and Post-Flood Giants”

Sa’Quan Hicks wrote an article titled Goliath and the Nephilim: Analyzing the Biblical Lineage and Post-Flood Giants which is categorized as a, “Case Study.”

Hicks is described as, “Exercise Scientist and seasoned coach…certified personal trainer…accomplished writer…holds a Diploma in Psychology” among other accolades.

Hicks open with, “Goliath, the giant warrior defeated by the young David” so we must keep an eye out to see if we will get replies to these key questions: What is the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What is Hicks’ usage? Do those two usages agree?

Added is, “a lesser-known theory that suggests Goliath was not merely a physical giant, but a descendant of the Nephilim” about whom that which I term the Gen 6 affair is quoted thusly (Gen 6:1-4):

“When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. Then the Lord said, ‘My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.’ The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown” (Genesis 6:1-4, NIV).

It is noted, “The traditional interpretation suggests that the ‘sons of God’ were fallen angels who took human wives, producing a hybrid offspring known as the Nephilim, often described as giants.’”

Do you see why those key questions are key? We cannot know what, “described as giants” means unless Hicks elucidates that usage.

Indeed, the original, traditional, and majority view among the earliest Jewish and Christians commentators, starting in BC days, was the Angel view, as I proved in my book, On the Genesis 6 Affair’s Sons of God: Angels or Not?: A Survey of Early Jewish and Christian Commentaries Including Notes on Giants and the Nephilim.

Sa’Quan Hicks notes, “The Nephilim are portrayed as mighty warriors and heroes, but their presence is associated with corruption and wickedness, leading to the flood that wiped out humanity, except for Noah and his family” and then asks, “The Nephilim’s existence before the flood is well-established in Genesis 6:4, but the question arises: how did they survive the flood, if at all?”

Furthermore, “Some biblical scholars argue that the Nephilim bloodline continued after the flood, and this theory is crucial for understanding the lineage of Goliath” and yet, it is not in the least bit crucial since he was a Repha, not a Nephil—nor could he have been since they did not make it past the flood in any way, shape, or form since God did not fail, did not miss a loophole, the flood was not much of a waste, etc., etc., etc.

See, the view of, “Some biblical scholars” would mean that since, “The Nephilim are portrayed as…leading to the flood that wiped out humanity, except for Noah and his family” then if there is ever, “Nephilim’s existence before the flood” then God failed, missed a loophole, the flood was much of a waste, etc., etc., etc. and un-biblical fantasy tall-tale stories have to be artificially concocted to support just how it was that God failed, missed a loophole, the flood was much of a waste, etc., etc., etc.

Of course, when seeking to support the post-flood Nephilim view, Hicks appeals to the one and only available option: one single post-flood sentence:

While the flood is said to have wiped out the Nephilim and all other life except for Noah and his family, the possibility of the Nephilim bloodline surviving post-flood is supported by certain biblical passages. In Numbers 13:33, the Israelite spies report seeing giants in the land of Canaan:

“We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them” (Numbers 13:33, NIV).

The qualifying term, “While” is very telling since it casts doubt on the very clear biblical data that, “the flood…wiped out the Nephilim and all other life except for Noah and his family.”

Note that, “the possibility of the Nephilim bloodline surviving post-flood” is a supposed possibility that God failed, missed a loophole, the flood was much of a waste, etc., etc., etc.—and yes, this is about theology proper since fallacious Nephilology damages theology proper.

The only sentence to which appeal can be fallaciously made is presented too vaguely since one would have to know the chapter very well in order to understand that, “In Numbers 13:33, the Israelite spies report seeing giants…” really means that out of the 12 spies, it was the 10 unreliable ones whom God rebuked who, “reported seeing” what Sa’Quan Hicks has as, “giants.”

Having actually only quoted half of the sentence which is cited as being v. 33, Hicks notes:

These giants, referred to as the Anakim, are described as the descendants of the Nephilim. The Anakim were a group of giants living in the land of Canaan, and their presence suggests that the Nephilim bloodline did indeed survive the flood. The Bible further supports this idea by stating that the Anakim were a formidable people who caused fear among the Israelites, just as Goliath did centuries later.

Let us quote the verse in whole, “We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.”

Thus, Hicks has mashed two categories, Nephilim and Anakim, together into one, “These giants, referred to as the Anakim, are described as the descendants of the Nephilim” but then, who were, “These giants”?

Hicks seems unaware of the relevant linguistics such as biblically contextually, “These giants, referred to as the Anakim, are described as the descendants of the Nephilim” reads as, “These Nephilim, referred to as the Anakim, are described as the descendants of the Nephilim”—for linguistics insights, see my book Bible Encyclopedias and Dictionaries on Angels, Demons, Nephilim, and Giants: From 1851 to 2010.

We might as well get to this point now: the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word giants in English Bibles is that it merely renders (does not even translate) Nephilim in 2 verses or Repha/im in 98% of all others and so never even hints at anything to do with any sort of height whatsoever.

Hicks’ usage seems to be something generic about vague height at some unknown level above the subjective parochial average—which would be a usage that is as useless as it sounds. Thus, Hicks’ usage does not agree with the English Bibles’ usage.

When we are told, “referred to as the Anakim, are described as the descendants of the Nephilim” we must keep in mind a few fundamental points:

1. that is as per 10 unreliable, unfaithful, disloyal, contradictory, embellishing spies who were said to make that claim within an evil/bad report and were rebuked by God.

2. that is as per only non-LXX/Septuagint versions of that sentence since the LXX’s version does not even mention Anakim at all.

3. As we will see, we are reliably told that Anakim were Rephaim, like a clan of a tribe, and Nephilim were strictly pre-flood hybrids, Rephaim were strictly post-flood humans, and there’s zero correlation between them.

For an elucidation of many more logical, bio-logical, theo-logical problems with the one and only sentence to which any and all post-flood Nephilologists can fallaciously appeal, see my Chapter sample: On the Post Flood Nephilim Proposal.

Thus, Hicks uncritically picked up one sentence, ran with it, and applied it which is why the erroneous conclusion is, “Anakim were a group of” Nephilim, “living in the land of Canaan, and their presence suggests that the Nephilim bloodline did indeed survive the flood” which is basing a fallacious conclusion upon a fallacious argument upon one version of one fallacious sentence.

As for, “The Bible further supports this idea by stating that the Anakim were a formidable people who caused fear among the Israelites, just as Goliath did centuries later” well, that is a result of picking up, running, and applying since it is a non sequitur that being formidable and causing fear must necessitate that Anakim were Nephilim.

Sa’Quan Hicks then notes:

In Deuteronomy 2:10-11, the Anakim are described as “a people strong and numerous, and as tall as the Anakim.” The Israelites, upon hearing about these giants, were filled with fear and hesitation. This passage reinforces the idea that giants, or descendants of the Nephilim, were still present after the flood, and their legacy continued to shape the biblical narrative.

It is redundant to write in terms of that, “Anakim are described as…the Anakim.” What Deut 2 is doing is telling us that on average, all Rephaim were, “tall” which is just as vague, generic, subjective, and multi-usage as, “giant.”

It also tells us that Rephaim were a.k.a. Zamzummim (or Zuzim) and that two clans of that tribe were the Anakim and the Emmim:

…we…traveled along the desert road of Moab…(The Emites used to live there—a people strong and numerous, and as tall as the Anakites. Like the Anakites, they too were considered Rephaites…we crossed the Zered Valley…(That too was considered a land of the Rephaites, who used to live there; but the Ammonites called them Zamzummites. They were a people strong and numerous, and as tall as the Anakites.

As for, “This passage reinforces the idea that giants, or descendants of the Nephilim” there is not one single reference to Nephilim in Deut 2 (nor anywhere else in the whole Bible besides the reliable Gen 6:4 and unreliable 13:33) so that is another non sequitur. See, Hicks picked up, ran, applied and then reads Nephilim into texts that say anything about them: we were just told that a text that makes it clear that Anakim were Rephaim was actually, somehow, telling us that Anakim were Nephilim.

As for to whatever, “tall” refers:
1. it is subjective to the average Israelite male who was 5.0-5.3 ft. in those days.

2. it is irrelevant to Nephilim since the dirty little secret is that since we do not have a reliable physical description of Nephilim so that their height is a non-issue—and that alone debunks 99% of un-biblical Nephilology, the modern branch of which is just un-biblical neo-theo sci-fi tall-tales that are sold to Christians.

Thus, when Sa’Quan Hicks asserts, “The direct connection between Goliath and the Nephilim bloodline is made clearer through the genealogy of the giants in the Bible” there is literally zero indication of any such thing.

That assertion is directly followed with:

Goliath is described in 1 Samuel 17:4 as a giant from Gath, one of the five Philistine cities. His height is given as “six cubits and a span” (approximately 9 feet 9 inches), which is consistent with the descriptions of the Nephilim and their descendants as being of extraordinary size.

Note that, “extraordinary size” is just as vague, generic, subjective, and multi-usage as, “tall” and, “giant.”

Hicks’ usage of the term giants is not biblical and it is merely asserted that, “9 feet 9 inches…is consistent with the descriptions of the Nephilim and their descendants as being of extraordinary size” which is vague since the implication is that, “We seemed like grasshoppers” implies, “9 feet 9 inches” which is, “extraordinary size” all of which is vague question begging.

For some reason, Hicks did not note that while Masoretic text has Goliath at just shy of 10 ft., the earlier LXX and the earlier Dead Sea Scrolls and the earlier Flavius Josephus all have him at just shy of 7 ft. soc that’s the preponderance of the earliest data—not that this matters to Nephilology since, again, we do not have a reliable physical description of them.

Moreover, Sa’Quan Hicks wrote:

In 2 Samuel 21:19, Goliath is referred to as the “brother of the giant,” indicating that he was part of a family of giants. This passage also mentions that Goliath’s family was from the city of Gath, which was known for producing giants. The connection between Goliath and other giants is significant because it suggests that Goliath was not a lone anomaly, but part of a larger lineage of giants that could trace their ancestry back to the Nephilim.

Being unaware of the linguistics and misusing linguistics, Hicks in unaware that, “Goliath is referred to as the ‘brother of the giant’…family of giants…producing giants…larger lineage of giants” biblically contextually reads as, “Goliath is referred to as the ‘brother of the Repha’…family of Rephaim…producing Rephaim…larger lineage of Rephaim.”

If Hicks knew that, the assertion, “that could trace their ancestry back to the Nephilim” would not have been made.

Furthermore, Hicks wrote and quoted:

Moreover, 1 Chronicles 20:5-8 offers further evidence of Goliath’s familial ties to the giants. It describes the defeat of Goliath’s brothers, who were also giants, by David’s warriors. The passage states:

“In another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jair struck down the brother of Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver’s rod. In still another battle, which took place at Gath, there was a huge man with six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot, twenty-four in all. He also was descended from the giants” (1 Chronicles 20:5-8, NIV).

The mention of Goliath’s brothers and their similar physical traits—such as the six fingers and six toes—suggests that Goliath’s family was part of a larger giant lineage, likely descended from the Nephilim. The presence of these physical characteristics, which are often associated with

giants in biblical texts, further strengthens the argument that Goliath was a descendant of the Nephilim.

Read biblically contextually, the statement was, “Goliath’s familial ties to the Rephaim. It describes the defeat of Goliath’s brothers [sons, really], who were also Rephaim…descended from the RephaimRephaim lineage.”

As for, “huge man” well, that is just as vague, generic, subjective, and multi-usage as, “extraordinary size,” “tall” and, “giant”—something about being taller than 5.0-5.3ft. by some unknown margin.

There is no indication whatsoever that, “six fingers and six toes—suggests…descended from the Nephilim” since there is literally zero indication that those, “physical characteristics…are often associated with giants in biblical texts” since they never are: that was only stated about one single tall Repha.

Sa’Quan Hicks then argues:

The biblical references to the Anakim and the giants of Gath provide additional context for understanding Goliath’s lineage. The Anakim were a prominent group of giants mentioned in the Old Testament, particularly in the context of the conquest of Canaan. As noted earlier, the Israelites were terrified of the Anakim, and their fear was not unwarranted, as the Anakim were known for their size and strength. The fact that the Anakim are described as descendants of the Nephilim suggests that the Nephilim bloodline continued to exist after the flood.

In fact, “The biblical references to the Anakim and the Rephaim of Gath provide additional context for understanding Goliath’s lineage” which is that he was of the Anakim clan of the Rephaim tribe and Anakim are named after Anak who was Abra’s son (Josh 15:13; 21:11) and with literally zero reliable indication that any of them, at any time, in any place, in any way, had anything to do with Nephilim.

Thus, “The Anakim were a prominent group of Rephaim mentioned in the Old Testament” and that, “Israelites were terrified of the Anakim, and their fear was not unwarranted, as the Anakim were known for their” generically vague unknown, “size and strength.”

By this point, we cannot forget that, “The fact that the Anakim are described as descendants of the Nephilim” is a fact from one single unreliable sentence from an unreliable report by 10 unreliable guys whom God rebuked.

Thus, there is zero indication that, “the Nephilim bloodline continued to exist after the flood.” In order to come to that conclusion, one must ignore 100% of the reliable data, play the name-swap game, water down an undefined modern English word, and chase that modern English word around an ancient Hebrew Bible—to name only a few problems including that the 10 contradicted Moses, Caleb, Joshua, God, and the rest of the whole entire Bible.

Fallacious Nephilology makes the reliable unreliable and the unreliable reliable.

Hicks then notes, “In Joshua 11:21-22, the Israelites are said to have defeated the Anakim in the hill country, but the giants were not entirely eradicated” which, or so it is merely asserted, “suggests that while the Israelites defeated many of the Anakim, some giants remained in the cities of Gaza, Gath, and Ashdod—cities that were later associated with Goliath and his family. The continued existence of giants in these regions indicates that the Nephilim bloodline survived the flood and persisted in the post-flood world.”

Accurate re-write, “In Joshua 11:21-22, the Israelites are said to have defeated the Anakim in the hill country, but the Rephaim were not entirely eradicated…suggests that while the Israelites defeated many of the Anakim, some Rephaim remained in the cities of Gaza, Gath, and Ashdod—cities that were later associated with Goliath and his family. The continued existence of Rephaim in these regions indicates that the Rephaim bloodline” had nothing whatsoever to do with, “the flood” since Rephaim did not even exist until centuries post-flood.

More re-writes of Sa’Quan Hicks’ assertions, “The idea that Goliath was a descendant of the Nephilim [Rephaim] has significant implications for the understanding of giants [Rephaim] in the Bible. Giants [Rephaim], as described in the Old Testament, were not simply physical anomalies; they were often portrayed as formidable opponents who instilled fear in the hearts of God’s people. The [utterly irrelevant] Nephilim, as a hybrid race of beings, represented a distortion of God’s creation, and their continued existence after the flood is seen as a reminder” that God must have failed, must have missed a loophole, and the flood must have been much of a waste, etc., etc., etc.: note that Hicks did not get around to telling us just how Nephilim got past the flood, past God.

Another re-write, “The presence of giants [Rephaim] like Goliath in the biblical narrative serves as a symbol of the challenges that the Israelites faced in their journey toward the Promised Land. Goliath, in particular, represents the ultimate challenge to God’s chosen people—a giant [Repha] who defies the Israelites’ faith and seeks to undermine their mission. The victory of David over Goliath, therefore, is not just a story of a young boy defeating a giant, but a powerful reminder of God’s sovereignty over all creation, including the giants [Rephaim] descended” who has utterly nothing at all to do with, “the Nephilim.”

Let us close with one last re-write, the “Conclusion”:

In conclusion, the biblical evidence supports the theory [demonstrable fact] that Goliath was [not] a descendant of the Nephilim, a hybrid race of giants mentioned in Genesis 6.

The genealogical connections between Goliath and other giants [Rephaim], such as the Anakim, provide strong evidence that the Nephilim bloodline [did not and could not have] survived the flood and [and did not and could not have] continued to exist in the post-flood world.

Goliath’s extraordinary size [of just shy of 7ft.], his familial ties to other giants [Rephaim], and the continued presence of giants [Rephaim] in the cities of Gath and Ashdod all point to the conclusion that Goliath was [not in the least bit] part of the Nephilim lineage.

This case study [was not one that] offers a comprehensive analysis of the biblical and historical evidence regarding Goliath’s [non] descent from the Nephilim [but from the unrelated Rephaim], shedding light on the concept of giants [Rephaim] in biblical times and their role in the ongoing spiritual battle between good and evil.

The biblical narrative is very clear and easy to follow when read and applied as is:

Nephilim lived pre-flood.

They did not make it past the flood in any way, shape or form.

Centuries post-flood, 10 unreliable guys made up a fear-mongering, scare-tactic, “Don’t go in the woods!” style of tall-tale and were rebuked by God.

Rephaim became a tribe centuries post-flood.

Anakim became a clan of that tribe centuries post-flood.

They have utterly nothing whatsoever to do with Nephilim.

End of biblical story.

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Robert Eubanks on The Nephilim Explained and Melchizedek Explained: Genesis 6:4 and Genesis 14:18 Mystery Solved

Robert A Eubanks wrote an article titled The Nephilim Explained and Melchizedek Explained: Genesis 6:4 and Genesis 14:18 Mystery Solved.

In a section titled, “Nephilim Explained — ‘In Those Days, and Also Afterward’” he quotes, “‘The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.’ (Genesis 6:4, KJV).”

He then comments, “This verse is our starting point. It speaks of the Nephilim, giants born when the sons of God intermingled with women.”

Since biblically contextually, “Nephilim, giants” means, “Nephilim, Nephilim” then the key questions are: What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s Eubanks’ usage? Do those two usages agree?

As for sons of God, he tells us, “They weren’t angels. The term ‘sons of God’ in this context most likely refers to men from the line of Seth, who lived extraordinary lives—some reaching nearly 1,000 years.”

It’s a merely asserted positive affirmation that, “They weren’t angels” so that’s dismissible.

Then there’s the, “most likely” (as per what metric, I know not) and a merely positive affirmation that it may refer, “to men from the line of Seth” for some unelucidated reason.

I’m unsure how whatever, “lived extraordinary lives—some reaching nearly 1,000 years” has to do with the title sons of God.

Job 38:7, as one example, shows us that “sons of God” can refer to non-human beings (which the LXX has as “Angeloi”: plural of “Angelos”) since they, at the very least, witnessed the creation of the Earth.

Jude and 2 Peter 2 combined refer to a sin of Angels, place that sin to pre-flood days and correlate it to sexual sin which occurred after the Angels, “left their first estate,” after which they were incarcerated, and there’s only a one-time fall/sin of Angels in the Bible.

The original, traditional, and majority view among the earliest Jewish and Christians commentators, starting in BC days, was the “Angel view” as I proved in my book, On the Genesis 6 Affair’s Sons of God: Angels or Not?: A Survey of Early Jewish and Christian Commentaries Including Notes on Giants and the Nephilim.

The Sethite view is a late comer of a view based on myth and prejudice.

Robert Eubanks claims, “These men walked closely with Jesus Himself, which extended their lives. Their long lifespans and spiritual intimacy made them more than ordinary—they were called sons of God because they walked with God in a literal, visible way, just as Enoch walked with God and was taken (Genesis 5:24).”

Yet, that claim is actually that these men did not walk closely with Jesus Himself because they didn’t walk with God in any sense since they were such terrible sinners that their sin served as the premise for the flood: so, that’s rather odd.

Thus, when he tells us, “The Holy Spirit rested upon them in a way unseen since” sure, because they were such terrible sinners that God drowned them to death.

He then applies this human-Sethite view in terms of that, “The Sons of God Were Different: Radiance, Power, and Presence” so that, “In the fiery furnace, even a pagan king recognized it: ‘Lo, I see four men loose… and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.’ (Daniel 3:25, KJV).”

That is certainly odd that the man who somehow suddenly appears in the furnace during Daniels’ time was a Sethite.

Of Melchizedek, he quotes, “‘Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God…’ (Hebrews 7:3).”

Somehow, from that, he gets that, “Melchizedek didn’t just act like a Son of God—he looked like one.” The former part is true: he wasn’t a terrible sinner that God drowned to death but there’s not a single word about how he looked in the whole Bible.

Now, Eubanks’ interesting proposal is that, “Melchizedek is Shem” as he notes, “Shem…found[ed] the city of Salem, which became Jerusalem, right in the heart of Canaanite territory. In Genesis 14, Shem appears as Melchizedek, king of Salem and priest of the Most High God.”

If we grant the claim then the man named Shem held the title Melchizedek which, “by translation of his name, king of righteousness, and then he is also king of Salem, that is, king of peace” (Heb 7).

Now, let’s jump to my main area of interest which is:

…just as Genesis 6 warned, Israel saw Nephilim in the land (Numbers 13:33). Once again, the intermingling of the godly and ungodly lines had produced unnatural results.

Before and After: The Nephilim Through Intermingling

Genesis 6 says, “in those days and also afterward”—meaning the Nephilim didn’t just exist before the flood. They reappeared after.

How? Because Sons of God (those who walked with Jesus) still walked the earth after the flood—through the line of Shem. And again, they intermingled with the cursed lines (men who did not walk with Jesus), just as Seth’s line had once intermarried with the line of Cain.

This mixture of the holy and the profane created giants and men of renown, people with unnatural power, stature, and reputation—whether physical. mental or spiritual.

It’s misrepresenting the text to generically assert, “Israel saw Nephilim in the land” then appeal to one single sentence (Numbers 13:33), premised by, “just as Genesis 6 warned” which it did not at all do.

For some odd reason, Eubanks didn’t elucidate that there are two reports in Num 13 and two spies. The first report was reliable, the second was an, “evil report.” The 12 spies divided into reliable Joshua and Caleb and the 10 unreliable ones who made up a tall-tale and were rebuked by God—to death.

Israel saw no such thing, 10 unreliable guys merely asserted that they did.

And how could that have even been possible? Well, Eubanks told us, “Genesis 6 warned” so that, “Once again, the intermingling of the godly and ungodly lines had produced unnatural results” due to that, “Genesis 6 says, ‘in those days and also afterward’—meaning the Nephilim didn’t just exist before the flood. They reappeared after” which implies that God failed, missed a loophole, the flood was much of a waste, etc., etc., etc.

It’s a mere asserted implication of a hidden assumption that the word, “afterward” refers to the flood.

Well, it can’t mean anything about the flood since:

1) the flood’s not even mentioned for the very first time until a full 13 verses later.

2) the ONLY post-flood reference to Nephilim is from an “evil report” by 10 unreliable guys whom God rebuked.

3) God didn’t fail, He didn’t miss a loophole, the flood wasn’t much of a waste, etc.

Gen 6:4 states, “Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.”

The question becomes: when were those days?

Well, Gen 6:1 told us, “When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose.”

The next question becomes: when was afterward?

Since it was after those days then it was simply after, “When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them…”

Thus, the began doing it then and they continued to do it but that’s all pre-flood.

Yet, Eubanks answers, “How? Because Sons of God (those who walked with Jesus) still walked the earth after the flood—through the line of Shem” which he states after personally labeling them as such.

And yet, these holiest sons of God weren’t so holy again since, “again, they intermingled with the cursed lines” some mysterious unknown, “men who did not walk with Jesus”: I hope he meant women.

And now he reveals what before was a mere guess, “most likely refers to men from the line of Seth” is not stated with certainty, “just as Seth’s line had once intermarried with” and tells us it was with, “the line of Cain.”

He merely asserts that this was a, “mixture of the holy and the profane” without any indication that Cainintes were profane and with mere assertions that entire lineages were holy or profane—and, again, showing us that by holy he means terrible sinners.

This is the mythical and prejudice part of the Sethite view.

Somehow, the alleged, “mixture of the holy and the profane” resulted in whatever he means by, “giants” well, he does note, “whether physical. mental or spiritual.”

Just in case the dirty little secret is that since we’ve no reliable physical description of Nephilim then their height is a non-issue and that alone debunks 99% of un-biblical Nephilology—the modern branch of which is just un-biblical neo-theo sci-fi tall-tales.

The only physical description we have of Nephilim is Num 13:33 which is why we’ve no reliable physical description of Nephilim.

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Dr. Dan Biddle and Roman Juranek on Nephilim giants and Angels

Undergoing review is a video titles Dr. Dan Biddle Interview with Roman Juranek – EVIDENCE FOR CREATION from which I will be reviewing the Nephilim related portions—also, I referred to, “Dan Biddle and Roman Juranek” since I’m working off of the transcript and won’t be taking the time to stop with every statement to see if the one made the statement or the other.

It’s noted, “I hold firmly and I’m utterly convinced on the perspective that the

Nephilim were the descendants of Angel human relationships.”
The original, traditional, and majority view among the earliest Jewish and Christians commentators, starting in BC days, was the “Angel view” as I proved in my book, On the Genesis 6 Affair’s Sons of God: Angels or Not?: A Survey of Early Jewish and Christian Commentaries Including Notes on Giants and the Nephilim.

Unfortunately, appeal is made to Tim Chaffey’s book Fallen: therein, you’ll find my name (Ken Ammi) favorably mentioned since I assisted him with some of his research but since he ends up asserting very tall and post-flood Nephilim then his Nephilology isn’t biblical. I reviewed his assertions in my book Nephilim and Giants as per Pop-Researchers: A Comprehensive Consideration of the claims of I.D.E. Thomas, Chuck Missler, Dante Fortson, Derek Gilbert, Brian Godawa, Patrick Heron, Thomas Horn, Ken Johnson, L.A. Marzulli, Josh Peck, CK Quarterman, Steve Quayle, Rob Skiba, Gary Wayne, Jim Wilhelmsen, et al.

It’s noted, “I’m very, very convinced that Genesis 6:4 says that the bene Elohim, the sons of God, looked upon the daughters of men and took them to themselves and giants were born unto them.” This raises the huge questions: What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s Biddle and Juranek’s usage? Do those two usages agree?

We’re then told, “the sons of God, the Angels, had relationship with women: which happened both before and after the flood, that’s Genesis 6 for you, so it happened in the Americas.”

There’s literally zero indication that it happed, “after the flood” and that implies that God failed, missed a loophole, the flood was much of a waste, etc., etc., etc.

As for, “it happened in the Americas” well, if it did then there must have been some pre-flood plot of land that came to be called the Americas much, much, much, much, much, much later.

It’s noted, “in Bible lands, where you’ve got the sons of Anak, you’ve got the Rephaim, the Anakim, of course Goliath is the most well-known Nephilim—who stood over 9.9 ft tall.”

The one who stated this doesn’t seem to realize that the sons of Anak are the Anakim and that these were like a clan of the Rephaim tribe and that Goliath was a member of that clan and that tribe, not a Nephil: we’re told that he was a Repha virtually every single time he’s mentioned. How could the one guy have missed that and the other nor correct him—they likely both missed that.

As for 9.9ft: that’s myopic since the Masoretic text has him at just shy of 10 ft. Yet, the earlier LXX and the earlier Dead Sea Scrolls and the earlier Flavius Josephus all have him at just shy of 7 ft. (compared to the average Israelite male who was 5.0-5.3 ft. in those days) so that’s the preponderance of the earliest data.

They then go on about, “his spear, it was 600 iron shekels in weight,” etc. yet, he had a guy assisting with the equipment. Regular guy Benaiah took a spear like a weaver’s beam, just like Goliath’s, from a 7.5 ft. Egyptian and successfully wielded it against him in hand-to-hand combat (2 Sam 23). Also, you can search for strongman or weightlifting competition vids and see guys who are around 6 ft. lifting 1,000 lbs.

Then we’re back to that, “they existed they existed before the flood and they also existed after the flood” which is false and based on playing the post-flood Nephilology name-game: when you can’t find evidence of post-flood Nephilim, merely assert that they’re called something else post-flood and that’s as made up and fallacious as it sounds.

Yet, it’s argued that such is actually the case since, “Deuteronomy chapters 1 through 3 is very clear about this Genesis chapter 14 has a leading king of the Israelites coming against several different Nephilim giant tribe: chieftains if you will and it also happens in the Americas.”

That is a tragically misguided list of assertions. The entire book of Deut doesn’t say a single word about Nephilim—that was about Rephaim: Nephilim were strictly pre-flood hybrids, Rephaim were strictly post-flood humans, and there’s zero correlation between them. Israelites didn’t even exist yet. And how that results in that it also happened in the Americas is still mysteriously merely asserted.

But the mystery is unveiled since it’s then noted, “just look in the Americas…there are 885 documented records that we have reported by 1,196 people uh of over 3,000 giant skeletons that have been found. The Smithsonian admits or found 17 of these, between 7ft. tall and 7ft. tall, 7.8ft. And of course not of all of them are of Nephilim descent, but some of them could have been from Nephilim lines.”

Thus, evidence one for Nephilim in the Americas is 7-7.8ft. tall skeletons and yet, we’ve not first been told why we should think that Nephilim were that size. In fact, the dirty little secret is that since we’ve no reliable physical description of Nephilim then their height is a non-issue and that alone debunks 99% of un-biblical Nephilology—the modern branch of which is just un-biblical neo-theo sci-fi tall-tales.

Other evidence is something about that Native Americans were apparently not sophisticated enough to build the things they built since, “what they [Nephilim] were doing in the early Americas, building these earthworks and they were obsessed with Sun, Moon and star worship.”

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Professor Brandon D. Smith elucidates: Who Were the Nephilim?

Brandon D. Smith (Assistant Professor of Theology & New Testament at Cedarville University) posted an article titled Who Were the Nephilim? wherein he asks and answers, “Who were the Nephilim in Genesis 6:1-4”:

This text is confusing in part because the Nephilim (which means “fallen ones”) are mentioned but not really described here.

In Numbers 13, however, they’re described as some sort of large people, like giants.

To add to the confusion, this language about the “sons of God” procreating with the “daughters of men” surrounds the mention of the Nephilim.

We need to keep an eye on whether he elucidates by whom and why they are, “described” in Num 13:33.

Another issue is that since Prof. Smith jumped from the specific ancient Hebrew word Nephilim to the modern generically subjective English one giants we must ask: what’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s his usage? Do those two usages agree?

He actually begins by reviewing different views of who the Gen 6 affair’s (as I term it) sons of God were, “The idea is that the ‘sons of God’ refers to angels or fallen angels (this term is used for angels in other places in Scripture, like the beginning of Job)” so that, “Nephilim, then, are superhuman offspring of angels and humans.”

He adds:

Proponents of this view will also point to Jude 6-7 (God has kept certain fallen angels/demons locked away in Hell [actually, Tartarus] because they committed sexual immorality and went beyond their boundaries as non-humans).

Some people will also couple this with 1 Peter 3:19, where it may indicate that Jesus proclaimed judgment on the angels who committed this crime between his death and resurrection.

So, the “sons of God” are fallen angels who had sex with human women, creating the Nephilim, and were chained up for crossing the boundaries God had given them to roam the Earth (like they do now) before Jesus comes back to destroy them for good.

A few bottom line points:

Job 38:7, as one example, shows us that “sons of God” can refer to non-human beings (which the LXX has as “Angeloi”: plural of “Angelos”) since they, at the very least, witnessed the creation of the Earth.

Jude and 2 Peter 2 combined refer to a sin of Angels, place that sin to pre-flood days and correlate it to sexual sin which occurred after the Angels, “left their first estate,” after which they were incarcerated, and there’s only a one-time fall/sin of Angels in the Bible.

The original, traditional, and majority view among the earliest Jewish and Christians commentators, starting in BC days, was the “Angel view” as I proved in my book, “On the Genesis 6 Affair’s Sons of God: Angels or Not?: A Survey of Early Jewish and Christian Commentaries Including Notes on Giants and the Nephilim.

Now, he added, “This would explain their size” but the only thing he’s told us about that is whatever is meant by, “In Numbers 13…they’re described as some sort of large people, like giants” so we still have to see if we’ll get any data besides the single modern English word giants.

The other view he reviews is, “that the ‘sons of God’ describes godly men, perhaps from the line of Seth, one of Adam and Eve’s other children, who procreated with sinful/non-God-worshiping women (‘daughters of men’ meaning they didn’t belong to God).”

This is typically called the Sethite view and it based on myth and prejudice. Prof. Smith offers a more generic view since it may be, “godly men” in general and only, “perhaps from the line of Seth.” Yet, one of the main problems is the same: the supposedly godly men weren’t very godly after all since they were such terrible sinners that their sin served as the premise for the flood.

In support of that view, he offers that Gen 6, “follows right after Cain wanders out into the wilderness, and so the wicked offspring of Cain start intermingling with the people who still worship God.” So that would mean that the, “sinful/non-God-worshiping women” who, “didn’t belong to God” were specifically, “wicked offspring of Cain” but we’ve no indication that offspring of Cain were generally nor uniquely nor specifically nor particularly sinful, non-God-worshiping, didn’t belong to God, wicked.

He also notes, “some argue that the Nephilim are simply an odd addition here, but don’t mean much to the story” which is essentially a non-issue since well, there they are and we have to deal with them.

Overall, he concludes that the Angel view, “lines up best with the canon of Scripture” and something on which I want to focus since this is from the last paragraph of his article, “the view does make sense of the Flood, at least in part, because sin had become so rampant that angel/human procreation had begun.”

Ok then, one huge issue that creates is since God flooded the Earth, even in part, to be rid of Nephilim then how is it that, “In Numbers 13…they’re” there at all?

Well, they’re written in a text but where not alive, on the ground.

Such is why I noted We need to keep an eye on…by whom and why they are, “described” in Num 13:33.

Num 13:32-33 are just a record of an, “evil report” by 10 unreliable guys whom God rebuked—to death.

Thus, there’s literally zero reason to take anything they asserted seriously—and they made five mere assertions.

For more details, see my post Chapter sample: On the Post Flood Nephilim Proposal.

Such, incidentally, is why I noted that the only thing Prof. Smith told us to back the they’re described as some sort of large people, like giants is just that: large and giants.

Well, both of those are vague, generic, subjective, and multi usage.

The dirty little secret is that since we’ve no reliable physical description of Nephilim then their height is a non-issue since they only physical description we have is from one sentence from an unreliable report by unreliable guys whom God rebuked.

Lastly, FYI, the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word giants in English Bibles is that it merely renders (doesn’t even translate) Nephilim in 2 verses or Repha/im in 98% of all others and so never even hints at anything to do with any sort of height whatsoever.

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Debating: Is Nimrod connected to the discussion of Nephilim and Giants, even though he may not have been a giant himself?

The question Is Nimrod connected to the discussion of Nephilim and Giants, even though he may not have been a giant himself?

led to the following discussion as a certain Eddie Lau replied:

Yes, likely.

The Hebrew Word to describe giants in Genesis 6:3 and 10:8 is גבר, a good connection to both.

Furthermore, there is a doubt so far of why Noah cursed Canaan and not Ham who is Canaan’s father. The answer can also link to the many giants found inside Canaan , the Anak in Numbers 13 etc. In fact, Goliath was a giant but killed by David, foreshadowing our Lord Jesus bruised the serpent’s head in Genesis 3:15.

The doubt may be resolved if Canaan was already a giant or Noah could foresee (by the help of The Holy Spirit) that Canaan’s descendants consisted of giants.

As Ham from Noah should be pure man (not from fallen angel as in Genesis 6:2, the sons of God), the only possibility was that Ham’s wife might be descendant of giant that Noah originally did not know. She bore giants for Ham, like Canaan and Cush (possible), and resulted in Nimrod as giant from Cush.

These are just guess from The Bible Word.

Pray that The Holy Spirit will guide us (John 16:13) to see more if He wants to.

Praise the Lord.

I, Ken Ammi, replied:

Did you mean, “Yes, likely” since it’s likely that God failed, missed a loophole, the flood was much of a waste, etc., etc., etc.

Ironically, in my answer, I noted, “some people merely assert that he did have something to do with Nephilim since he’s referred to as a gibbor and so were they. Yet, such people are tragically myopic and never bother mentioning that gibbor is merely a descriptive form for might/mighty and so is used of Angels, Nephilim, humans, and God.”

Since you write in terms of “giants” no one can really know to what you’re referring unless you answer: What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s your usage? Do those two usages agree?

You seem to be using that term in two ways so when it comes to, “the only,” mind you, “possibility was that Ham’s wife might be descendant of giant that Noah originally did not know” you mean she was a Nephil.

You think that Noah, “did not know” but what about God? He also missed that and so the flood was much of a waste?

That’s not, “the only” possibility: the biblical scenario is that Nephilim didn’t make it past the flood in any way, shape, or form.

What’s, “The Bible Word”?

Why do post-flood-Nephilologists always begin by throwing God and His Word under the bus?

Eddie Lau

Your words indicate you are not a believer of Jesus Christ, right? Your first task is to prove God failed. Ok, if that’s the fact, you should be greater than God then😂

Nephilims (נפלים) is the translation from Hebrew, meaning giants.

Ham’s wife should not be giant but had the genes to bear giant. That’s a possibility as a guess to the strange incident of Noah cursing Canaan as well as giants found after The Flood.

Post-flood-Nephilology, according to your name, should mean Nephilims after the flood, is from Genesis 6:4 ‘in those days, and also afterward’. The fact that Goliath whom David killed was described as a giant in 1Samuel 17:4. And Goliath’s brothers (2Samuel 21:19), in fact the whole tribe of Anak (Numbers 13:33) were described as giants also. Were they not belonging to the post-flood period?

Of course, you can have the ‘privilege’ of not believing any words of The Bible, according to your given freewill from God (is that irony)?

Praise the Lord.

Ken Ammi

Right.

I’m beginning to see why you claimed the things you claimed? Why would it be my, “first task is to prove God failed” since I noted, “Did you mean, ‘Yes, likely’ since it’s likely that God failed, missed a loophole, the flood was much of a waste, etc., etc., etc.” Thus, that was clearly a question for you since that is the implication of your view.

As for, “Nephilims (נפלים) is the translation from Hebrew, meaning giants” no it’s not: that’s not a translation, it’s a rendering.

I asked you, “What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s your usage? Do those two usages agree?” but you don’t seem to be interested in helping me understand you.

Fascinatingly, I’ve asked those key questions to hundreds of people who go on and on (and on and on [and on and on]) about “giants” and 99.999999% can’t even reply—three that did got it wrong and one got close to getting it right.

So, “Nephilims (נפלים) is the translation from Hebrew, meaning giants” only still begs the question since I read that as, “Nephilims (נפלים) is the translation from Hebrew, meaning ______” so you need to fill in the blank.

Until you let me know to what you’re referring (and I get the feeling you don’t know the English Bible’s usage), I can’t know what you mean by statements such as, “Ham’s wife should not be giant…”

The, “strange incident of Noah cursing Canaan” is that his dad had sex with Noah’s wife.

You then switched to referring to Nephilim, in which case, there’s no such thing as, “Nephilims after the flood” since God didn’t fail, didn’t miss a loophole, the flood wasn’t much of a waste, etc., etc., etc.

Why do post-flood-Nephilologists always begin by throwing God and His Word under the bus?

As for, “is from Genesis 6:4 ‘in those days, and also afterward’” well, sure, when you slice God’s word you can make up stuff: by why did you slice that verse in half just before it was going to tell you to what days it’s referring.

How about you quote all of it.

You then switched to referring to giants again.

As for, “Goliath…was described as a giant” why didn’t you tell me that the Masoretic text has Goliath at just shy of 10 ft. Yet, the earlier LXX and the earlier Dead Sea Scrolls and the earlier Flavius Josephus all have him at just shy of 7 ft. (compared to the average Israelite male who was 5.0-5.3 ft. in those days) so that’s the preponderance of the earliest data.

When you say, “described as giants also” you seem to be referring to generically vague subjectively unusual height above the parochial average but I can only imagine that when you make the huge claim, “Goliath’s brothers [his children, actually] (2Samuel 21:19), in fact the whole tribe of Anak (Numbers 13:33) were described as giants also” you really meant 1) only one of them is generically referred to as having been of whatever, “great stature” means and 2) that Anakim were subjectively, “tall,” which is just as vague, generic, subjective, and multi-usage as, “giants.”

Also, when you cited Num 13:33, why didn’t you tell me that you’re relying on an unreliable, “evil report” by 10 unreliable guys whom God rebuked?

As for, “Were they not belonging to the post-flood period?” yes, of course, that’s the only time they existed.

This is part of why you have to stop using the term, “giants,” just say to what you’re referring, and stop switching between English and Hebrew: they were Rephaim who were 100% human and had nothing to do with pre-flood Nephilim who were hybrids.

Eddie Lau

Are you a believer of Christ? If yes, please read from The Holy Bible with the help of The Holy Spirit (John 6:63, 16:12–13).

If no, then sorry to quote so many scriptures. Please repeat the one question you are asking.

For me, I just see that you want to know the meaning of Nephilims and that simply ‘giants’. Is that ok? Or ask again if not.

Praise the Lord.

Ken Ammi

Sadly, I’ve been through this many times with people who make claims, are corrected, refuse correction, want to keep making claims, and so they play the lower-case gnostic card, “read from The Holy Bible with the help of The Holy Spirit.”

Well, I’ve been there and done that and wrote some dozen research and prayerful books on Nephilology after familiarizing myself with over two millennia worth of relevant data.

As for, “you want to know the meaning of Nephilims and that simply ‘giants’” see, even that statement doesn’t make any sense: if you demand that Nephilim means giants that doesn’t mean anything, I would then have to ask you what you mean by giants.

That’s why over two weeks ago I asked:

What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles?

What’s your usage?

Do those two usages agree?

Eddie Lau

The usage is let every believer to know the evil scheme of satan and how God used this evil scheme later for His people.

Hebrews 4:12 NKJV

[12] For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Our objective is to know the truth by the help of The Holy Spirit (John 16:13) but not just see dead words.

Praise the Lord.

Ken Ammi

Well my friend, you’re clearly unfamiliar with this subject and you’re not interested in learning more nor do you accept correction.

Be blessed and be a blessing.

Shalom!

Eddie Lau

Same to you, friend. No one can boast familiar, I am afraid.

Let’s keep humble before God’s Word.

Shalom to you.

Praise the Lord.

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Chaplain Jeff Davis on the Sons of God, the Nephilim, and the Battle for the Promised Land

Chaplain Jeff Davis posted an article titled the Sons of God, the Nephilim, and the Battle for the Promised Land wherein he notes and quotes:

…mysterious accounts of the “sons of God” and the Nephilim—beings that challenge our understanding of God’s creation and the spiritual battle that has raged since the beginning of time. These narratives provide profound insight into God’s sovereignty and His plan for His people.

The story begins in Genesis 6:1-4, where we read about the “sons of God” who took human women as wives, resulting in the birth of the Nephilim…

That is known as the Angel view of the Gen 6 affair (as I term it) and it was the original, traditional, and majority view among the earliest Jewish and Christians commentators, starting in BC days, as I proved in my book On the Genesis 6 Affair’s Sons of God: Angels or Not?: A Survey of Early Jewish and Christian Commentaries Including Notes on Giants and the Nephilim.

He notes, “This union produced the Nephilim, a race of giants described as mighty and renowned but ultimately corrupt and violent.”

Since biblically contextually, “Nephilim, a race of giants” means, “Nephilim, a race of Nephilim” and he did not inform us to what he’s referring by, “giants” then the questions become: What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s Chaplain Jeff Davis’ usage? Do those two usages agree?

He went on to write:

The post-Flood presence of giants, descendants of the Nephilim, is evident in later biblical accounts, particularly during the time of Moses and Joshua. Numbers 13:32-33 records the report of the spies sent to scout the land:

“The land we explored devours those living in it. All the people we saw there are of great size. We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.”

Note that he claims that whatever he means by, “giants” post-flood where, “descendants of the Nephilim’ is based on unquoted and uncited, “later biblical accounts, particularly during the time of Moses and Joshua” and with only one sentence’s worth of evidence.

In fact, he misrepresented the one sentence he can appeal to since it wasn’t, generically, “the spies” since there were 12 spies but he’s replying on the 10 unreliable ones who presented an unreliable, “evil report” and were rebuked by God—to death. I’m unsure why Chaplain Davis didn’t note these facts.

Also, note that he also didn’t inform his readers that he’s not only exclusively relying on one single sentence, a sentence that’s utterly unreliable, but a sentence exclusively from non-LXX versions since that version doesn’t include a reference to Anakim in that sentence.

He also misrepresented the unreliable report from non-LXX versions since he had it that it evidenced, “giants, descendants of the Nephilim” buy it asserts post-flood Nephilim and descendants of the Nephilim. Well, both of those are logical, bio-logical, and theo-logical impossibilities since God didn’t fail, didn’t miss a loophole, the flood wasn’t much of a waste, etc., etc., etc.

And now, Chaplain Davis will have to invent an un-biblical theology proper damaging fantasy tall-tale about just how Nephilim got past the flood, past God.

For more details, see my post Chapter sample: On the Post Flood Nephilim Proposal.

The dirty little secret is that since we’ve no reliable physical description of Nephilim then their height is a non-issue since that one unreliable sentence is the only physical description we have.

As for, their supposedly alleged descendants, that sentence told us nothing about their size.

See, what Chaplain Jeff Davis has done, without outright telling his readers, is to insert a usage of the word giants as something vaguely generic about subjectively unusual height compared to the parochial average—yes, that’s how useless that usage of the word is.

So, now we can answer the third question I posted above: no, his usage does not agree with the English Bibles’ usage.

And that is the case because the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word giants in English Bibles is that it merely renders (doesn’t even translate) Nephilim in 2 verses or Repha/im in 98% of all others and so never even hints at anything to do with any sort of height whatsoever.

So, he artificially inserted his subjective usage of giants into a Bible which knows nothing of it and so he chases that English word around a Hebrew Bible correlating texts that have nothing to do with each other—he takes texts out of context to make pretexts for prooftexts.

For example, he wrote, “These giants were part of the reason God commanded Moses and Joshua to utterly destroy certain tribes and cities” but God told us many times why He commanded such things but never said one single word about Nephilim nor relation to them.

But the Chaplain’s problem is that he uncritically read one sentence, believed it, picked it up, ran with it, and applied it.

He elucidated:

God’s instructions to Moses and Joshua were clear: to annihilate the Anakim (giants) and other wicked nations occupying the Promised Land. Deuteronomy 2:10-11 mentions the Rephaim, another race of giants, while Joshua 11:21-22 highlights Joshua’s campaign to eradicate the Anakim:

“At that time Joshua went and destroyed the Anakites from the hill country: from Hebron, Debir and Anab, from all the hill country of Judah, and from all the hill country of Israel. Joshua totally destroyed them and their towns. No Anakites were left in Israelite territory; only in Gaza, Gath and Ashdod did any survive.”

See, based on an unreliable sentence from non-LXX versions from an unreliable report by 10 unreliable guys he can now appeal to Anakim and think he’s referring to Nephilim and/or Nephilim 2.0.

And as for, “Anakim (giants)” he means, “Anakim (something vaguely generic about subjectively unusual height compared to the parochial average).” Yet, biblically contextually, “Anakim (giants)” means, “Anakim (Rephaim)” so I’m unsure why he didn’t mention that.

Deut 2 makes it clear that Anakim (and Emmim) were like clans of the Rephaim (aka Zuzim or Zammzumim) tribe—not Nephilim: Nephilim were strictly pre-flood hybrids, Rephaim were strictly post-flood humans, and there’s zero correlation between them.

In fact, Deut 2 also tells us the only contextually relevant thing about them: Rephaim, in general, were subjectively, “tall”—which is just as vague, generic, subjective, and multi-usage as giants. And they were tall compared to the average Israelite male who was 5.0-5.3ft. in those days.

He then specified Goliath—who was a Repha—but for some reason he didn’t note that the Masoretic text has Goliath at just shy of 10 ft. Yet, the earlier LXX and the earlier Dead Sea Scrolls and the earlier Flavius Josephus all have him at just shy of 7 ft. so, that’s the preponderance of the earliest data.

The rest of the article is a succinct sermonizing homily about, “As we face our own giants” which is understandable since he’s chaplaining and not writing a treaties on Nephilology and related issues.

Yet, that may make it all the more important that he get his Nephilology, and related issues, correct since without that, his sermonizing homily is based on a false premise.

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