Atheism, the Bible, Rape and EvilBible.com, part 4 of 6

Again, we must begin by keeping within the forefront of our minds that many alleged champions of reason are mere pseudo-skeptics who have widdled down skepticism and scholarship to the point that it amounts to nothing but elephant hurling via cutting and pasting the first hyperlink that comes up on a search engine when a search for an anti-theistic slogan is conducted.
We must also alert our minds to the fact that any and every atheist condemnation of any action whatsoever are unfounded assertion in the form of arguments from outrage, arguments from personal incredulity, arguments for embarrassment, etc.

Thus far I have asserted and evidenced that “rape” is nowhere in any text we have considered thus far but only in the very troubled mind of evilbible.com’s author who appears to have spent much time imagining rape to the point of seeing rape where rape is not.

For example, in part 2 it was “Obviously these women were repeatedly raped.”
In part 3 we were told that “Clearly Moses and God approves of rape of virgins.”

However, the author may have something this time as we begin again with the next text of choice from evilbible.com’s claim that the Bible and its God endorse rape as per Deuteronomy 22:28-29,

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

The commentary to this text begins and ends with this statement, “What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God.”
I would tend to disagree and would answer: “I certainly do not know but it was certainly not God or anyone in the Bible.”

My general modus operandi for doing apologetics is straight forward in that I typically stick to the text, perhaps bring in other texts that cover the same issue for the sake of elucidation, I do not mind sticking to the translation being quoted to me since the main things are the plain things and rarely appeal to original languages, etymology, etc. Original language and etymology most certainly are very important and have a place but my style is cleaner and more direct.
Of course, on occasion, as I have done two times thus far, it is important to compare translations and consider original languages, etymology, etc.

I have determined that the word “rape” in the above text of the New Living Translation is not appropriate. Now, please consider carefully that this is no mere assertion employed to get the Bible out of trouble but that it is the conclusion of research that reasons thusly:

Hebrew “taphas” refers to catching, handling, taking hold, grasping, etc. and “shakab” refers to laying down.There is actually no reason to think that the woman was raped.

I performed a search of 13 translations and found 2 that translated as “rape”: the NIV and the NLT.

Interestingly, I have run across two atheist claims that the Bible and its God endorse rape in this text. Coincidentally, I am sure, one was by Positive Atheism‘s Cliff Walker who quoted the NIV (New International Version) and evilbible.com’s author who quoted the NLT. I certainly do not know why these two atheists just happened to choose these two translations but, apparently, I am more skeptical than they and so I urge you to consider other readings:

KJV, “a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her.”NKJV, “a virgin, who is not betrothed, and he seizes her and lies with her.”ESV, “a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her.”NASB, “a virgin, who is not engaged, and seizes her and lies with her.”RSV, “a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her.”ASV, “a virgin, that is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her.”HNV, “a virgin, who is not pledged to be married, and lay hold on her, and lie with her.”Young’s, “a virgin who is not betrothed, and hath caught her, and lain with her.”Darby’s, “a virgin, who is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her.”Webster’s, “a virgin, who is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her.”

RVR, “una joven virgen que no fuere desposada, y la tomare y se acostare con ella.”

Please be aware that the verse actually ends with a statement that “they are found.” What is that all about?Does it mean that he was raping her and did not get away with it? Nay.

The text is referring to a shotgun wedding. The man and woman engaged in intercourse not only while she was a virgin but when they were not even betrothed. Therefore, they must now be wed.

Let us consider the next recommended evilbible.com text before closing this segment; Deuteronomy 22:23-24,

If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

The title given to this quote is “Death to the Rape Victim” and the carefully reasoned commentary reads,

It is clear that God doesn’t give a damn about the rape victim. He is only concerned about the violation of another mans [sic] “property”.

Interestingly enough, up until this point evilbible.com’s author has been exclusively quoting the NLT. Now, and for the rest of the quoted texts with one exception, for whatever reason the translation switches to the NAB (New American Bible). Let us consider the NLT rendering,

Suppose a man meets a young woman, a virgin who is engaged to be married, and he has sexual intercourse with her. If this happens within a town_

Same difference: nothing about rape.

In fact, we encounter the same word “shakab” as we did above. Thus, clearly the issue is not rape. But, some may argue, that since it states that she is at fault “because she did not cry out for help” she was obviously being raped but for whatever reasons did not, or what about “could not,” cry out. Careful now, please do not let yourselves be influenced by someone who sees rape where rape is not.

Evilbible.com’s author is a tricky one, not tricky enough for the genuine skeptic, but tricky nonetheless. You see, the author, for some unknown reason, does not bother reading just a wee bit further; all the way from the quoted Deuteronomy 22:23-24 to the very next three verses-you guessed it: verses 25-27 which reads, in the NLT,

But if the man meets the engaged woman out in the country, and he rapes her, then only the man should die.Do nothing to the young woman; she has committed no crime worthy of death. This case is similar to that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor.

Since the man raped her out in the country, it must be assumed that she screamed, but there was no one to rescue her.

And while we are at it why not in the NAB also,

If, however, it is in the open fields that a man comes upon such a betrothed maiden, seizes her and has relations with her, the man alone shall die.You shall do nothing to the maiden, since she is not guilty of a capital offense. This case is like that of a man who rises up against his neighbor and murders him:

it was in the open fields that he came upon her, and though the betrothed maiden may have cried out for help, there was no one to come to her aid.

Let us elucidate the entire matter:According to Deuteronomy 22:22 adulterers, both consenting, were to be put to death (here; an already married woman).

That is one scenario.

According to Deuteronomy 22:23-24 adulterers, both consenting, were to be put to death (here; a betrothed woman who is, for all intents and purposes, considered a “wife”). That she did not cry out means that she did not protest. No, not that she did not protest being raped; she did not protest having relations and thus, she consented.
That is another scenario.

Deuteronomy 22:25-27 an actual rapist is to be put to death. This is an actual rape and evilbible.com’s author did not bother mentioning it. Why not? I certainly do not know but may imagine that it is because it discredits the entire “Rape in the Bible” page. It is certainly annoying when little things such as facts get in the way of a good polemic.
That is another scenario.

And there is one more scenario in Deuteronomy 22:28-29-NAB,

If a man comes upon a maiden that is not betrothed, takes her and has relations with her, and their deed is discovered, the man who had relations with her shall pay the girl’s father fifty silver shekels and take her as his wife, because he has deflowered her. Moreover, he may not divorce her as long as he lives.

Again, this is a “taphas” “shakab” scenario in which both consented and so restitution is made and a shotgun wedding ensues.

So much for evilbible.com’s integrity-although, an apt demonstration of either basic lack of biblical knowledge, even on the particular subject they are studying in order to criticize and/or an example of manipulative anti-Judeo-Christian propaganda.

Another very important aspect of this whole issue is that some atheists seem to think that a stoneable offence meant that anyone could pick up stones at anytime and just start pelting an offender. Nay.

There was a very carefully regulated judicious system in place and each case in which the law was thought to have been broken was carefully adjudicated. This began with Moses himself and, with time, only became more refined (see Exodus 18:13-26).

Atheism, the Bible, Rape and EvilBible.com, part 2 of 6

We began part 1 by considering the issue of a, sadly, typical trend amongst atheists who are generally given to lack of skepticism. They seem to think that skepticism amounts to typing an anti-theistic slogan into a search engine, copying the first hyperlink that appears, posting it as a comment to a blog and saying, “Answer that believer!”

It is of the utmost importance to repeat that when considering any and every atheist condemnation of any action they are expressing personal opinions about the act(s) they are condemning. They are merely telling you their personal preferences in the form of morality borrowed from the Judeo-Christian worldview. They are piling unfounded assertion, upon unfounded assertion, upon unfounded assertion, and building a tel of arguments from outrage, arguments from personal incredulity, arguments for embarrassment, etc.

Let us come to the first quote which is from Judges 21:10-24 let us glean the relevant portions:

So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead_”This is what you are to do,” they said. “Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin.” Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them_

They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, “Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, ‘Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn’t find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'” So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance.

The title to this section was “Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead” and the commentary that followed stated,

Obviously these women were repeatedly raped. These sick bastards killed and raped an entire town and then wanted more virgins, so they hid beside the road to kidnap and rape some more. How can anyone see this as anything but evil?

Besides pointing out the unfounded assertions and the emotive arguments from fill in the blank it is noteworthy that on the general atheist view the commentary is deeply erroneous and should have made it clear that what is meant by “How can anyone see this as anything but evil?” is that we today can (epistemically but not ontologically) call evil but that which was not evil back when it occurred since morality had not evolved to where it is today and is yet evolving.

Thus, those actions may have been perfectly moral and yet, today, we choose to call them “evil.” Moreover, it is important to point out that these sorts of actions occurred before then and have been occurring ever since onto this very day. Morality may “evolve” yet, ethics, the actual ethos, does not since “morality” describes what is and “ethics” prescribe what should be. With regards to morality it is typically of people living in first world countries that were established upon Judeo-Christian principles who can even imagine claiming that such actions are now “evil” and must break with typical evolution inspired atheist concept of evolving morality who can claim that is was “evil” even when it occurred.

This is not only a valid logical and biological point but it does bring to mind that those of us who live in unimaginable comfortable first world countries have as our greatest concern whether to get cinnamon or cocoa power sprinkled on our Starbucks double-mocha-latte-foamy-soymilk-coffee.

We simply cannot imagine life in the ancient Middle-East (or the modern Middle-East in some respects). Try to even imagine virginity being something that was important, cherished, protected, even virtuous or, God forbid not, holy. Nay, to us virginity is what is given up at the drop of a hat, at the earliest possible age, often with our parent’s they’re gonna do it anyway encouragement. And, of course, who could even image affirming that God has power over life and death.

So, to the text and the question; where was the rape?Do not get sidetracked with the other issues involved; where was the rape?

We were urged to believe that “Obviously these women were repeatedly raped” but did you discern even one single rape?

We were told to believe that they “raped an entire town” but did you discern even one single rape?

Were I to grant the claim I would image that what evilbible.com has in mind is a syllogism that runs thusly:

1) The virgin’s relatives were “murdered.”2) They were taken by those who “murdered” their relatives.

3) Thus, even if they marry those who “murdered” their relatives they are essentially being raped (I am further imagining that marriage is something to which the virgins would be forced-another unfounded assertion).

But what else could the text mean? Indeed! That is just the point and the answer is threefold:

1) What the text means is not to be determined by your, mine or the author of evilbible.com’s ability to imagine what it means.2) What the text means is not to be determined in the same way that we determine the meaning of any text-context: historical, cultural, grammatical, immediate, greater, etc. Basic hermeneutics: exegesis versus eisegesis / isogesis, etc.

3) Such determining knowledge would have alerted the author of evilbible.com of the actual content of the Bible. However, this would not have made for an exciting website name such as “Evil Bible” or an enticing page entitled “Rape in the Bible.” Moreover, this would not make for a convenient one stop shop for, sadly, typical pseudo-skeptical atheists who consider scholarship to be cutting and pasting hyperlinks.

Setting asides the, rightly, emotive nature of this event it must be noted that the virgins, having had their relatives “murdered,” required an abode and were provided one. “But, but it was by the very same ‘sick bastards’ who ‘murdered’ their relatives!” Indeed I can also feel the emotion and empathy and yet, the fact is that the virgins, having had their relatives “murdered,” required an abode and were provided one. It may not be pleasing to the emotions but it is logical and, according to life in the ancient Middle-East, expected. We will come to the specific details as to how such arrangements were carried out.

Let us consider that the text said nothing of rape. Yet, we were urged to believe that not only where they raped but that it was obvious and repeatedly. This actually brings us to the most troubling aspect of this issue; it is not that the Bible commanded, allowed for, or excused rape. It is that in claiming that it was obvious and repetitive rape that we get a very, very, very troubling window into the troubled mind of evilbible.com’s author who reads the texts and inserts into it their own fantasies of obvious and repetitive rape. We should not insert the concept of rape into the text just because an evilbible.com’s author has some very, very, very troubled thoughts.

What evilbible.com’s author fails to note is threefold:

1) The text said nothing of rape.2) The text did not even imply rape because_

3) There were detailed regulations as to how to deal with such a situation.

Let us consider the facts of the matter:To begin with, we may note Deuteronomy 20:10 states, “When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace.”
Evilbible.com’s author also fails to note that Jeremiah 18:8 states,

if that nation against whom I have spoken turns from its evil, I will relent of the disaster that I thought to bring upon it.

So much for the popular but fallacious claim that there is a contradiction between God’s unchanging nature and God relenting.

Assuming that a peaceful pact is rejected and war ensues-once it is over, they were to remain outside the camp seven days,

whoever has killed any person, and whoever has touched any slain, purify yourselves and your captives on the third day and on the seventh day. Purify every garment, everything made of leather, everything woven of goat’s hair, and everything made of wood (Numbers 31:19-20).

This ensures the health of soldier and war captives-a quarantine.The regulations pertaining to the virgins are as follows; the men were to:Provide them with housing.Allow them one month to mourn.Then they may get married.And if they later divorce, they were to go free and not be mistreated (see Deuteronomy 21:10-14).No rape at all anywhere. Rather, cleansing after a war, the provision of a home, time to mourn, marriage and, if need be, freedom and protection from mistreatment.

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This is video is a Q&A between an atheist and William Lane Craig and is an exercise in openly and proudly proclaiming ignorance of natural theology aka general revelation.
Though still a very good answer; rather than arguing definitions of “atheism” (which is certainly not unimportant) I would have gone in the direction of natural theology / general revelation—see On the Flying Spaghetti Monster, the Invisible Pink Unicorns, et al.

The second video pertains to defining “atheism.”

Here are some publications which define “atheism” unlike pop-cultural-celebrity-new-atheists: a positive affirmation of God’s non-existence: The Academic American Encyclopedia The Random House Encyclopedia The Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy The Oxford Companion to Philosophy The Dictionary of Philosophy The World Book Encyclopedia The Encyclopedia of Philosophy The Encyclopedia of Religion The Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics Funk and Wagnall’s New Encyclopedia Webster’s New World Dictionary

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Also see Definition of “atheism”

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Hereinafter is how various translations render Genesis 6:2.

“sons of God” in the AKJV, AMP, AMPC, ASV, BRG, CJB, DARBY, DRA, ERV, ESV, ESVUK, EXB, GNV, GW, HCSB, ICB, JUB, KJ21, KJV, LEB, MSG, MEV, NABRE, NASB, NCV, NET, NIRV, NIV, NIVUK, NKJV, NLV, NLT, NRSV, NRSVA, NRSVACE, NRSVCE, RSV, RSVCE, TLV, VOICE, WYC, YLT “God’s sons” WEB “divine beings” CEB, ISV “beings from the spirit world” TLB “supernatural being” CEV “heavenly beings” GNT “sons of Elohim” NOG

“bnei HaElohim” OJB

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This essay was written on July 2002.

This very basic essay was written because of the recent revival of God and prayer throughout the USA. On the one hand, we have experienced a wonderful time of coming together, repentance, prayer and thankfulness. On the other hand, this is a time in which due to syncretism1