Well, it’s not long lost and was only found, really just preserved, by me. A certain Elijah Adebiyi posted HOW DID GIANTS APPEAR IN SCRIPTURES AFTER THE FLOOD! on Facebook, I proceeded to offer iron sharpening iron corrections of his post and of some comments by his readers and in the middle of that, I got a, “This content isn’t available right now” since he deleted it—when we seek to sharpen iron with iron, someone tends to get cut.
Yet, as I tend to do, I was keeping track of the post and comments by copying and pasting them on a Word doc so I have that which it contained.
Elijah’s post read:
First of all Let me Clarify One thing here!
Look at this Image Below, How can Such a Giant be as a Result of Mere Genetical and Biological Mixups in the Blood?
And this Image is NOT CLOSE to How Giants are Actually gigantic in the days of the Anakims.
This was how the Bible Described them;
Numbers 13:33
“And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and WE WERE IN OUR OWN SIGHT AS GRASSHOPPERS, and so we were in their sight”
Although they Brought an evil report, Yet the Reports were very FACTUAL!
These guys are Giants and the People are Like Grasshoppers.
Which means a single Giant in those Days Can Use Two fingers to Pick 2 to 5 people up and Throw them into their Throats
That’s Who Giants they were!
When Prophet Isaiah wanted to Describe the Inferiority of Grasshopper, He Compared them to the Greatness of God.
Isaiah 40:22
“It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers…”
This Description which Isaiah Gave here was the Closest thing to How Giants Look like in those days.
This Cannot be Only Biological and Genetical Malfunction. There is Something More.
There is a Catalyst Somewhere Powering that Gigantism in their Systems.
I have Made a Post about the Nephilim and Told us that the Giants that Surfaced the Earth are NORMAL HUMANS but with a Nephilic Blood Corruption, Like an INFECTION through the Reproduction in their Family Bloodline.
Let me Begin from where we Sourced Giants in the Bible.
Genesis 6:4
“There were giants in the earth in those days; AND ALSO AFTER THAT, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown”
Let’s Leave the Sons of God and Daughters of Men Now!
If you wanna Know about the Organic Origin of Nephilims, I will Paste it in the Comments section.
The Subject here is How did they Resurface in the Earth after the Flood.
The Bible Said in that Scripture above that
“There were Giants in the Earth in those days and ALSO AFTER THAT…”
Which means the Bible is Confirming that Giants Existed In those Days before the Flood,
And After the Flood, Giants Existed and that these giants are Traceable to the Giants Before the Flood!
Which means in that Context of that Scripture the Giants after the Flood are Indirectly or Somehow Connected to the Giant that were Destroyed in the flood.
So what is that connection?
Who Brought about the Connection?
How were they Reproduced?
I’m not Sharing anything from my Revelations or High Sounding Nonsense as we tag it!😅
I will quoting Scriptures and Comparing Scriptures with Scriptures.
Follow!!!
A certain Darra Dawn replied:
Thank you revealator/teacher.
As I read it’s as though in some sense I’m transported upon the energies there-in, and knowledge is increased/expanded. Such a Blessing.
Elijah Adebiyi replied:
Thanks for engaging Ma’am
Glory to the Father 🙌❤️
I, True Freethinker, replied with my main corrections—and didn’t get a, “Thanks for engaging” but got a deletion:
Asking “HOW DID GIANTS APPEAR IN SCRIPTURES AFTER THE FLOOD!” isn’t the primary question, the primary one is, “DID GIANTS APPEAR IN SCRIPTURES AFTER THE FLOOD!” no one can answer you until you first answer: What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s your usage? Do those two usages agree? Without those answers, we either can’t know to what you’re referring or we have to work hard to attempt to guess.
As for, “this Image Below” it’s just a fantasy so what of it?
Well, it seems that by “giants” you mean something vaguely generic about subjectively unusual height of some unknown level above the parochial average (and yes, that is how useless the common parlance usage of that modern English word is).
If that’s the case then your usage doesn’t agree with the English Bibles’ since the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word giants in English Bibles is that it merely renders (doesn’t even translate) Nephilim in 2 verses or Repha/im in 98% of all others and so never even hints at anything to do with any sort of height whatsoever.
You misrepresented Num 13 when you said, “This was how the Bible Described them” since you failed to point out that you’re relying on:
1. One single unreliable sentence
2. From strictly non-LXX versions (since that version’s version of that verse doesn’t even mention Anakim)
3. Of an unreliable “evil report”
4. By 10 unreliable guys
5. Whom God rebuked—to death
6. Who made five mere assertions unbacked by even one single other verse in the whole Bible
7. Who contradicted Moses, Cable, Joshua, God, and the rest of the whole entire Bible
I could go on but see my post “Chapter sample: On the Post Flood Nephilim Proposal.”
You assert, “the Reports were very FACTUAL!” but the fact is what I noted in point 6: and if you disagree, you’ll have to provide evidence for all five of their assertions—even when they literally contradict the report of a good land flowing with milk and honey and claim that it eats up it’s inhabitants.
So, it’s only in a false fantasy tall-tale that, “These guys are Giants and the People are Like Grasshoppers.”
Notice that you ended up saying that “giants” were so big that they could sit upon the circle of the Earth.
You asserted, “Nephilim…are NORMAL HUMANS but with a Nephilic Blood Corruption” (whatever that means) but the original, traditional, and majority view among the earliest Jewish and Christians commentators, starting in BC days, was the Angel view as I proved in my book “On the Genesis 6 Affair’s Sons of God: Angels or Not?: A Survey of Early Jewish and Christian Commentaries Including Notes on Giants and the Nephilim.”
Again, you use “giants” to mean something about height but then quote Gen 6:4 which has no physical description of them. The dirty little secret is that since we’ve no reliable physical description of Nephilim then their height is a non-issue and that alone debunks 99% of un-biblical Nephilology—the modern branch of which is just un-biblical neo-theo sci-fi tall-tales. FYI: I’ve written some dozen research based Nephilology books.
Again, “The Subject here is” not, “How did they Resurface in the Earth after the Flood” but did they? The biblical answer is no since God didn’t fail, didn’t miss a loophole, the flood wasn’t much of a waste, etc.
Note that you asserted, “‘…ALSO AFTER THAT…’ Which means the Bible is Confirming that Giants Existed In those Days before the Flood” but you forgot that you actually quoted the whole verse just before that and it told us exactly to what days, and after what days, it was referring.
Well, it can’t mean anything about the flood since:
1) the flood’s not even mentioned for the very first time until a full 13 verses later.
2) the ONLY post-flood reference to Nephilim is from an “evil report” by 10 unreliable guys whom God rebuked.
3) God didn’t fail, He didn’t miss a loophole, the flood wasn’t much of a waste, etc.
Gen 6:4 states, “Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.”
The question becomes: when were those days?
Well, Gen 6:1 told us, “When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose.”
The next question becomes: when was afterward?
Since it was after those days then it was simply after, “When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them…”
Thus, they began doing it then and they continued to do it but that’s all pre-flood.
As per my note about the 98% usage, please understand that when you read about “After the Flood, Giants Existed” you’re no longer reading about Nephilim, you’re reading about Rephaim.
Thus, there’s literally zero reliable indication that, “Context of that Scripture the Giants after the Flood are Indirectly or Somehow Connected to the Giant that were Destroyed in the flood.”
Abang Lawrence commented—keep in mind that no one had occasion to reply to me since it took mere minutes for the post to be deleted:
Let the bible interprete itself. The postflood giants were a product of the line of Ham. The only way that could have happened is that one or more of the wives of Noah’s sons was a carrier of pre-flood Nephilim DNA.
For reference on the concept of the spies being like grasshoppers in the sight of the giants, read the account of the size of King Og of Bashan for an idea of the height of post-flood giants. Og was around 13-14ft if you convert feom the Royal Standard Cubit to feet. Goliath was probably a bit shorter than Og.
True Freethinker
We can’t know what you mean by “The postflood giants were a product of the line of Ham” until you tell us: what’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s your usage? Do those two usages agree?
Considering you go on to write about Nephilim—jumping from one language to another only confuses things—then please note that the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word giants in English Bibles is that it merely renders (doesn’t even translate) Nephilim in 2 verses or Repha/im in 98% of all others and so never even hints at anything to do with any sort of height whatsoever.
When you write “The only way that could have happened is that one or more of the wives of Noah’s sons was a carrier of pre-flood Nephilim DNA” you presupposed there were such things as post-flood Nephilim but that implies that God failed and the flood was much of a waste since God missed the, “carrier of pre-flood Nephilim DNA” loophole.
You misrepresent Num 13 when you generically refer to, “the spies being like grasshoppers…” since there were 12 of them but you actually believe the 10 unreliable ones who presented an “evil report” and were rebuked my God.
There is no, “account of the size of King Og” you merely assert, “Og was around 13-14ft” but there’s no biblical statement about that: we don’t have a physical description of him.
As for Goliath, the Masoretic text has Goliath at just shy of 10 ft. Yet, the earlier LXX and the earlier Dead Sea Scrolls and the earlier Flavius Josephus all have him at just shy of 7 ft. (compared to the average Israelite male who was 5.0-5.3 ft. in those days) so that’s the preponderance of the earliest data.
Also, they are both referred to as Rephaim, not Nephilim, literally every time they’re mentioned.
You seem to be trying to understand this issue but are making some very basic but gigantic errors, my friend, I’ve familiarized myself with over two millennia worth of relevant data that I used to write my dozen, or so, Nephilology books.
I also have lots of videos on it.
And hundreds of articles on my website.
Nachi Igwe
Much misconception on this subject everywhere. There were no NEPHILIM after the flood. The “giants” after the flood are not the Nephilim that God extinguished by flood.
The Nephilim are returning in these last days through genetic engineering.
True Freethinker
Indeed, Num 13:33 is an unreliable “evil report” by 10 guys whom God rebuked and in 98% of the usages of “giants” in English Bibles it refers to Rephaim, not Nephilim. Also, there’s no indication of, “Nephilim are returning” and God didn’t miss that loophole so the flood wasn’t much of a waste.
Atobatele Biodun Jeremiah
From another perspective… don’t you think the Statement “We were in our own sight as grasshoppers…” Is a Simile (A figurative expression).
Though, this statement didn’t invalidate the Presence of the Giants in the land.
Elijah Adebiyi
13 to 15 feet high and 6-8 feet wide is not an Exergerration that Almost 3 to 4 times the high and width of an average Human
Imagine Standing before a Human who is 4 times Robust than You and 4 times Higher than You.
This is a size higher than a Street Pole😅
True Freethinker
Have you ever read Num chaps 13-14? You’re telling people to believe an unreliable sentence form non-LXX versions of an unreliable “evil report” by 10 unreliable guys whom God rebuked.
Celestial Wonder
I believe some giants with the corrupted blood are still around.
Heard reports of a Kandahar giant around Iraq found inside a cave that killed many of the Special Forces. Some witnesses say it was a terrible sight before they finally killed him and everything was kept under wraps which is why it’s difficult to confirm if it’s true or not.
Elijah Adebiyi
Probably!!!
Giants after the days of Joshua Lived in Secret and they Become Inferior and Scanty and Millennials Passed by.
If they Exist now, that’s what they Would do.
They Would Live in the Most Secret Place of the Earth.
True Freethinker
Elijah Adebiyi The Kandahar giant tall-tale is just an internet hoax based on some anonymous guys making vague claims about generic regions and sold to us by two guys who make a living by selling un-biblical tall-tales to Christians: LA Marzulli and the plagiarist and evolutionist Steven Quayle. And those who merely assert that it was a Nephil imply that God failed, missed a loophole, the flood was much of a waste, etc., etc., etc.
Godson Jay
I have a theory.
If God found Noah righteous, it makes sense to think he didn’t have any connections with the abnormalities (perversions) in those days. If He and his sons found favour in God’s eyes then it makes sense to think that’s probably why( not certainly why)
The genesis story tells us how those giants came into existence. Angels left their estate to take wives for themselves and their offsprings were giants.
If Angels could leave then( pre-flood) what stopped angels from leaving (post flood)?
True Freethinker
What “stopped angels from leaving (post flood)” is that as per Jude and 2 Peter 2 they were incarcerated.
Anthony Ukeje
How did the giants slept with the daughter of men,who are like an’t in there sight.
Spiceman Deejay
it’s the angels who slept with daughters of men and the product was giants.
True Freethinker
Anthony Ukeje The dirty little secret is that since we’ve no reliable physical description of Nephilim then their height is a non-issue and that alone debunks 99% of un-biblical Nephilology—the modern branch of which is just un-biblical neo-theo sci-fi tall-tales.
FYI: I’ve written some dozen, or so, Nephilology books.
I also have lots of videos on it.
And hundreds of articles on my website.
Rotimi Adamson Ade
The giants probably came from the line of the sons of Noah.
True Freethinker
I’m unsure how anyone can pretend to answer you until you first tell us: What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s your usage? Do those two usages agree?
Palesa Ya Tlokoeng Khongoana
Overreacting giants didn’t exist after flood. We most check the book first. Old testament it was not written after flood it was written before the flood.
True Freethinker
What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s your usage? Do those two usages agree?
Raymond Opeyemi Oluwadamilare Goodnews
The giants before the flood were half human and half-angel. Therefore, they didnt die in the flood. They resurfaced after the flood, seen as extraordinary men and later became demons (powerful beings that are not see with naked eyes but have ability to possess people).
True Freethinker
Raymond Opeyemi Oluwadamilare Goodnews So you seem to teach that God failed, missed that loophole, and the flood was much of a waste. Also, you contradicted the Bible five times since we’re told who survived but Nephilim aren’t on any of those lists (Genesis 7:7, 23; Hebrews 11:7; 1 Peter 3:20; and 2 Peter 2:5).): does that matter to you?
Michael Kunda
Those nephilines before the flood were different totally different from the giants after #1) the metaphor used in numbers that they looked like grasshoppers was exaggerations of things, yes they were of big stature but not to look like grasshoppers #2) Rahab was a prostitute who prostituted with those beings in Jericho and she was incorporated in Israel and in the lineage of Jesus.
True Freethinker
Indeed, the post is just typical pop-Nephilology fantasy tall-tales sold to Christians. I’ve written whole books debunking such stuff. [see “Nephilim and Giants: Believe It or Not!: Ancient and Neo-Theo-Sci-Fi Tall Tales.”
Also, “Nephilim and Giants as per Pop-Researchers: A Comprehensive Consideration of the claims of I.D.E. Thomas, Chuck Missler, Dante Fortson, Derek Gilbert, Brian Godawa, Patrick Heron, Thomas Horn, Ken Johnson, L.A. Marzulli, Josh Peck, CK Quarterman, Steve Quayle, Rob Skiba, Gary Wayne, Jim Wilhelmsen, et al.”]
David Njeru
The kolbrin Bible has a better description of life before the flood.but it’s not for the neives,
True Freethinker
As I noted in an article, “The Kolbrin Bible has a sorted history which the 21st Century Master Edition by Janice Manning (editor) and Marshall Masters (contributor) put as that it, ‘contains…historical and prophetic anthology…an ancient secular academic work; it offers alternate accounts of several stories from the Holy Bible and other wisdom texts.’”
Edward Katuka
The question here was that. Is the flood affected only middle East or all over the earth? This will lead us to know were Giants lives before and after the flood.
True Freethinker
Don’t follow Elijah’s lead by referring to the vague, generic, subjective, and multi-usage modern English word “giants.” The scope of the flood is irrelevant to Nephilology since they either didn’t make it past the flood because it was global or because they lived in the flooded region: either way, they didn’t make it past the flood in any way, shape, or form.
Lawrence John
The flood wasn’t global, plus they could have survived somehow those who escaped to high mountains
True Freethinker
So you claim that God missed that loophole so He failed and the flood was much of a waste then, right? Also, you contradicted the Bible five times since we’re told who survived the flood but Nephilim aren’t on any of the lists (Genesis 7:7, 23; Hebrews 11:7; 1 Peter 3:20; and 2 Peter 2:5): does that matter to you?
And that’s as far as the deleted non-starter went.
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