Another Atheist Charity – A Huge Success

This post comes to us from the “Here we go again” files:

Not to be outdone by London’s atheists:

“The American Humanist Association will spend $40,000 on a holiday ad campaign_They are placing advertisements in newspapers and on buses and billboards in the metro area of the nation’s capital that will read, ‘Why believe in a god? Just be good for goodness’ sake’ The ads are designed to reach out to ‘agnostics, atheists and other types of nontheists who feel a little alone during the holidays because of its association with traditional religion,’ Fred Edwords, spokesman for the humanist group, said at a press conference at the National Press Club” (reported by Linda Young).

It would certainly be refreshing if atheists could figure out how to address their own. If they are attempting to reach their own, which is Fred Edwards’ ubiquitous claim, why not turn a phrase such as,”You already don’t believe in a god_”Or

“You already don’t believe in a god. Just be good and help the needy instead of spending money to in attempts to prove how cleaver you are and annoying people during the holidays.”

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This slogan is obviously a jab at theists. Either Fred Edwords will not admit it or cannot see it. It is either a sad commentary on his level of intestinal fortitude or demonstrates that he is engaging in well within the box group think-in other words, he thinks that the way to reach his own is to appeal to that which they have in common, prejudice and vociferous belittling besmirchments.

Fred Edwords also stated,

“we are trying to plant a seed of rational thought and critical thinking and questioning in people’s minds.”

Well this portion of the intent certainly worked as it made me think of quite a few things:
I thought, “Why not believe in a god?”

“Why not believe in a god? Just be good for goodness’ sake.”

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Ultimately, I think that this slogan is based on an atheist myth about theist doing good for motives that are ulterior to for goodness’ sake. Atheist cannot know the motivations or thoughts of anyone and only succeed in proving their prejudice and natural need to besmirch when they make such arguments. Meanwhile, they demonstrate a lack of critical thinking in not considering that even people who do not believe in a god can have motives that are ulterior to for goodness’ sake.

But do not merely support this latest add campaign, paraphernalia abounds:

“T-shirts, hats, buttons and bumper stickers allow you to become a walking – or driving – billboard. All profits go toward placing more media, so you get double bang for your buck.”

And some day they may just get around to helping people in need.

But do not merely consider the American Humanist Association to be self-serving, they did, after all, give away free ticket to Bill Maher’s movie “Religulous”-but that was only to American Humanist Association chapters so_never mind.

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GUEST BLOGGER: “The Atheist Experience” Forgets Their Talking Points

Our old friend Rhology is back for a visit from the blog Rhoblogy for this segment of True Free Thinker’s guest blogger program.

Following is the guest post:

I’ve listened on occasion to the Atheist Experience podcast. For me it’s about as easy to listen to as I expect the Bible Answer Man is for an atheist (not that I’m a big BAM fan), only less well-produced and with (mercifully) far fewer commercials and requests to buy Hank’s latest book. It can get a bit repetitive, but recently they took a turn for the entertaining when Matt Slick of CARM.org decided to give them a call. I’ve long considered giving them a call myself but have always been too lazy. Matt Slick’s a decent pinch hitter. 😉

He called their show twice, on 15Feb09 and then again on 22Feb to continue the conversation, and they discussed the 2nd time for a good 45 minutes with one of the hosts Matt Dillahunty. These two dialogues have made some hay in the blogosphere and I won’t attempt to track it all down now, but the AthExp blog around that time is a good place to start.

The topic of each dialogue was the Transcendental Argument (TAG) for God, Matt Slick’s version of which is found here.

Now, the way Matt Slick typically (in live format) goes about laying out the TAG is a bit strange to me, given that he relies heavily on the concept->mind linkage, but perhaps he finds it successful and probably he’s far more well-read and experienced in such things than I. At any rate, it seemed to come to a head in a more effective way with Matt Dillahunty than it previously had with other atheists I’d heard, possibly b/c Matt Dillahunty is sharp and was fair, and Matt Slick didn’t waste a bunch of time as he often does complaining about being interrupted all the time.

I recommend starting to listen to the 22Feb show around minute 57 or so, b/c they did go around in circles a bit, Matt Slick having insisted they are conceptual, Matt Dillahunty denying such. 59:04, Matt Slick seizes upon Matt Dillahunty’s clear laying out of his idea of the nature of logic’s existence:

Matt Dillahunty: “Logic is purely conceptual and is contingent upon a mind to use…They (the laws of logic) don’t depend on anything…Reality depends upon them.”

Matt Slick: “You said they’re non-physical. So what other options are there?”

Matt Dillahunty: “I don’t know.”

Matt Slick (and me, in my mind): “You don’t *know*?”

Matt Dillahunty: “They’re abstract. They’re abstract.”

Matt Dillahunty continued: “This is one of the things I find most laughable about apologists and I won’t even ask for you to not take this personally. Once again you get to this point where “I don’t know” is such a bafflingly unacceptable answer to you.
This is the colossal arrogance of the theist position, that they’re unable to say ‘I don’t know, maybe we’ll find out someday’. And instead of accepting an ‘I don’t know’, they just go ahead and leap to the first thing that seems most reasonable to them.”

Matt Dillahunty continues, saying that this would take us to the point of having to consider all the other possibilities and rule them out, but that’s obviously not going to help.Matt Slick (and again, I in my mind) says: “I’d like that.” Zing!Matt Dillahunty retreats to the “Well, prove to me God exists, without a fallacy.”

Matt Slick continues to ask for a 3rd option.

Matt Dillahunty won’t even attempt it! Anyway, I recommend you listen at least from minute 55 or so of that 22Feb show. It’s well worth it to listen to Matt Dillahunty squirm and then act like it’s no big deal that he doesn’t understand that a request for a 3rd option is perfectly legitimate if one rules out the physical and the conceptual.
Matt Dillahunty wants to keep it at “non-conceptual”, but how is that very helpful? He’s just hoping that his self-enforced agnosticism will let him off the hook with his listeners. Fail. This brings me to an interesting realization – often atheists will question me “What is God? Describe His nature.” Gordon Stein did it (and was subsequently famously dissected) during the Bahnsen-Stein debate (see here for video).

Dan Barker loves to insist that “God is Spirit” is totally unacceptable, since we have no concept of what “spirit” is.
TracieH of the AthExp, who was herself on the air during these same shows, recently raised similar questions.
Right back at you, I will now respond to my atheist interlocutor(s). The well-known Atheist Experience apparently thinks “I don’t know” is a perfectly acceptable answer to the question of the nature of the laws of logic. But it’s a big victory for atheism if you don’t understand the concept when we tell you the nature of God? (of interest with regards to the law of logic may be the post A Finite Regress?).

I mean, this is one of the things I find most laughable about atheists and I won’t even ask for you to not take this personally. Once again you get to this point where “I don’t know” is such a bafflingly unacceptable answer to you. This is the colossal arrogance of the atheist position, that they’re unable to say ‘I don’t know, maybe we’ll find out someday’. And instead of accepting an ‘I don’t know’, they just go ahead and leap to the first thing that seems most reasonable to them. Cheers.

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Atheism, Ritual Human Sacrifice in the Bible, and EvilBible.com, part 4 of 5

Besides noting that evilbible.com can only logically condemn any action, such as human sacrifice, by appealing to assertions based on personal preference spiked with outrage we have also noted that thus far the author’s claims remain unsubstantiated.

We will now consider a section of the evilbible.com page entitled, “God Commands Burning Humans” the entirety of which reads,

[The Lord speaking] “The one who has stolen what was set apart for destruction will himself be burned with fire, along with everything he has, for he has broken the covenant of the LORD and has done a horrible thing in Israel.” (Joshua 7:15 NLT)

Now this is tricky, at least for the undiscerning, as the section was entitled “God Commands Burning Humans” which is true but not in the way one may think particularly as the section is part of the “Ritual Human Sacrifice in the Bible” page.

This has nothing to do with “Ritual Human Sacrifice” but is a case of capital punishment. We should take a moment to keep in mind that regardless of what we may think about the laws of the Israelites these are laws by which the nation had agreed to live. This situation pertains to Achan who had taken action which ended up causing the deaths of about three thousand men. Thus, after an investigation ensued the sentence was death and was carried out by stoning. Being burned with fire pertained to the disposal of the corpse (v. 25).

The next section is entitled, “Josiah and Human Sacrifice” and, again, consists of just the title and two quotes, all the better:

At the LORD’s command, a man of God from Judah went to Bethel, and he arrived there just as Jeroboam was approaching the altar to offer a sacrifice. Then at the LORD’s command, he shouted, “O altar, altar! This is what the LORD says: A child named Josiah will be born into the dynasty of David. On you he will sacrifice the priests from the pagan shrines who come here to burn incense, and human bones will be burned on you.” (1 Kings 13:1-2 NLT)

He [Josiah] executed the priests of the pagan shrines on their own altars, and he burned human bones on the altars to desecrate them. Finally, he returned to Jerusalem. King Josiah then issued this order to all the people: “You must celebrate the Passover to the LORD your God, as it is written in the Book of the Covenant.” There had not been a Passover celebration like that since the time when the judges ruled in Israel, throughout all the years of the kings of Israel and Judah. This Passover was celebrated to the LORD in Jerusalem during the eighteenth year of King Josiah’s reign. Josiah also exterminated the mediums and psychics, the household gods, and every other kind of idol worship, both in Jerusalem and throughout the land of Judah. He did this in obedience to all the laws written in the scroll that Hilkiah the priest had found in the LORD’s Temple. Never before had there been a king like Josiah, who turned to the LORD with all his heart and soul and strength, obeying all the laws of Moses. And there has never been a king like him since. (2 Kings 23:20-25 NLT)

That evilbible.com’s author selectively quotes partial and self-serving texts is obvious yet, why the author goes from beginning the page with a lot of comments with a little bit of quotes to a lot of quotes and no comments makes me wonder if the reason is that it is clear from the context (if the context was even read) that these quotes are mere pull quotes meant to make a point only when premised on the preconception of there being “Ritual Human Sacrifice in the Bible.”In this case; is the text about “Josiah and Human Sacrifice”? Josiah-yes, human sacrifice-no.This is another case of capital punishment.The “man of God” prophecies of the altar that “On you he will sacrifice the priests from the pagan shrines who come here to burn incense, and human bones will be burned on you.” Since the King protests the prophet’s words, because the King favored the worship of false gods, the altar splits right then and there in keeping with God’s sovereignty.Now to Josiah who administered the capital punishment by executing “the priests of the pagan shrines on their own altars” and “exterminated the mediums,” etc.These were not human sacrifices and where not sacrifices offered to the God of the Bible upon His altar.I can only wonder why evilbible.com’s author, the New Atheists and atheists in general are so very selective about against whom they pour forth their impotent condemnation. Why, in cases such as these, is it against the Jews only? Are they even aware who was being sentenced to capital punishment here?

Fortune cookie makers? News paper horoscope writers? The for hire birthday party palm reader?

One of the things that Josiah did was that he, “defiled Topheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, that no man might make his son or his daughter pass through the fire to Moloch” (2nd Kings 23:10). This was true ritual human sacrifice; to “make his son or his daughter pass through the fire to Moloch” meant that parents were having their children sacrificed by fire. Where is the condemnation of evilbible.com’s author, the New Atheists and atheists in general? Nowhere to be heard-let’s get back to condemning the Jews!
In our consideration of evilbible.com’s rape in the Bible page we encountered fallacious claims that the Jews had “sex slaves” and yet, the Gentile Pagans literally did have sex slaves and temple prostitutes in service of, apparently, the pimp god. Where is the condemnation of evilbible.com’s author, the New Atheists and atheists in general? Nowhere to be heard-let’s get back to condemning the Jews!
Prof. Richard Dawkins wrote:

The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.1

Would he ever write “Moloch is arguably the most unpleasant character_”? No!But of course not! After all; who worships Moloch anymore? I may argue that Moloch is the god of abortion who has hundreds of millions of worshipers worldwide. Yet, if it be argued that this most horrendous of false gods is no longer worshipped I am sure that the Jews would say, “You’re welcome!”

On second thought, would Prof. Richard Dawkins ever write “Allah is arguably the most unpleasant character_”? That would certainly be interesting but I would not expect it-ever! Not from a militant activist atheist who thunders condemnations of whom he considers to be the world’s true evil: Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, the Bishop of Canterbury and the Pope-all from the safety, comfort and freedom of countries premised upon Judeo-Christian values. Keep in mind that this is the same Prof. Richard Dawkins who stated,

“What’s to prevent us from saying Hitler wasn’t right? I mean, that is a genuinely difficult question.”2

Yet, even he has his standards and so declared,

“It is evil to describe a child as a Muslim child or a Christian child. I think labelling [sic] children is child abuse and I think there is a very heavy issue”3

Hitler-who knows? The friendly theist next door raising their families-evil!

Let us consider one more entry on evilbible.com simply entitled, “Human Sacrifice”:

Chastised a little, they shall be greatly blessed, because God tried them and found them worthy of himself. As gold in the furnace, he proved them, and as sacrificial offerings he took them to himself. In the time of their visitation they shall shine, and shall dart about as sparks through stubble; (Wisdom 3:5-7 NAB The Book of The Wisdom of Solomon is mostly in Catholic versions of the Bible.)

In this case the translation switches to the Roman Catholic NAB, of course, since reference is being made to the apocrypha which is only found in Jewish or Protestant Bibles with significant qualifiers in place (see here for info).
Yet, even here evilbible.com’s author misses the most basic of basic concepts; need it be pointed out that this is metaphor? Is the text not clear? It states, “As gold in the furnace, he proved them, and as sacrificial offerings_” “As” and “as” equal metaphor.
Moreover, consider the context which is in praise of these souls (vss. 1-8):

But the souls of the just are in the hand of God, and no torment shall touch them.They seemed, in the view of the foolish, to be dead; and their passing away was thought an affliction and their going forth from us, utter destruction. But they are in peace.For if before men, indeed, they be punished, yet is their hope full of immortality;Chastised a little, they shall be greatly blessed, because God tried them and found them worthy of himself.As gold in the furnace, he proved them, and as sacrificial offerings he took them to himself.In the time of their visitation they shall shine, and shall dart about as sparks through stubble;

They shall judge nations and rule over peoples, and the LORD shall be their King forever.

I will offer two correlative concepts:

1) This may be in reference to the unbiblical doctrine of Purgatory (discussed here).2) Or in reference to the metaphor described in 1st Corinthians 3:11-15,

For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is.If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward.

If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

Note that “the fire will test each one’s work” the “work” will be tested by fire and not the person. As for the person whose work is mostly burned away “he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire,” “so as” equals metaphor (this text is discussed here as part of the aforementioned discussion of Purgatory).

And so, we patiently await an example of “Ritual Human Sacrifice in the Bible”-maybe next time.

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Richard Dawkins Rules Out Abiogenesis, part 2 of 2

We now continue and conclude considering Richard Dawkins’ new book The Greatest Show on Earth which is a book calling for conversion to atheism while preaching the death of God—wrapped around a very thin veneer of “science.”

Richard Dawkins also traipses into the arena of arguments that Darwin-equals-no-God (“Evolutionary Theodicy”) evolutionists should not use in seeking to identify poor design. This is basically an updated version of what used to be evolutionist arguments about vestigial organs. People actually had certain organs removed from their bodies even though the organs were perfectly healthy because, and here is the key, the evolutionists de jour declared them useless in humans as they were mere leftovers from our evolutionary past.

Note Dawkins’ presuppositions (emphasis added):

the overwhelming impression you get from surveying any part of the innards of a large animal is that it is a mess! Not only would a designer never have made a mistake like that nervous detour; a decent designer would never have perpetuated anything of the shambles that is the criss-crossing maze of arteries, veins, intestines, wads of fat and muscle, mesenteries and more…

I think it would be an instructive exercise to ask an engineer to draw an improved version of, say, the arteries leaving the heart. I imagine the result would be something like the exhaust manifold of a car, with a neat line of pipes coming off in orderly array, instead of the haphazard mess that we actually see when we open a real chest (p. 371)

How does he know that it is a mess? Because it looks messy? But to what is he drawing that comparison? Given the functions of the organs, etc. throughout the organism’s entire lifespan; how does he know what a designer would never do? How does he know that it is a mistake? How does he know that it is an, apparently, useless waste of a detour? How does he know what a decent designer would and would never do if she were designing actually living and lifelong functioning bio-organisms?

How does he know that the criss-crossing maze is a shambles?

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Well, he gives us the answer: it is because he can “imagine the result” based on what he imagines an engineer would “draw.” Imagination is not an organism which functions throughout a lifetime. A drawing is not an organism which functions throughout a lifetime. This is the very issue; since he has spent his entire career weaving Victorian Era tall tales, imagination and imagining what a drawing would look like if such as drawing were ever drawn is good enough—he is intellectually satisfied. However, I wonder, what if I would criticize the design of the exhaust manifold of a car. Why this neat line of pipes when you could make nice curves? Why this length and not shorter? Why have the pipes travel all the way to the back of the car? Etc. We could “why” the design to death and yet, keep in mind that there are very good answers, very good reasons for shape, length, location, etc. Likewise, there may be very good reasons even if Dawkins does not know them.

Keep in mind Richard Dawkins’ faith based statements about natural selection as he presented his “most persuasive” argument:

Um, there’s got to be a series of advantages all the way in the feather. If you can’t think of one then that’s your problem, not natural selection’s problem. Natural selection, um, well, I suppose that is a sort of matter of faith on my, on my part since the theory is so coherent and so powerful.[1]

Once upon a time Pandas were perfectly happy stripping off bamboo leaves from branches by pulling the branches thought their “thumbs.” But then a man named Stephen Jay Gould told them that their thumb was evidence of poor design. But the Pandas were not bothered in the least bit as they went on utilizing their “thumbs” just as well as ever.

Dawkins asks,

Why would the designer not borrow that ingenious invention, the feather, for at least one bat? (p. 297)

How is this even a question? Forget bats; how about giving me some feathered wings, some cheetah legs and a prehensile tail while you are at it. To Dawkins another sign of “obvious stupidity” is the eye,

Once again, send it back, it’s not just bad design, it’s the design of a complete idiot (p. 354)

Obviously, scientific concerns are far behind him and this is merely an anti-God tirade. I know plenty of engineers and on occasion I will ask them something like, “Why would someone design this certain machine like this? I mean, why not put that there and this here?” And just as often they point out things that I did not know, “Well, if you put that there then you create a structural weakness and this is here because it does that…”

The reason that arguments for (yes, “for” and not “from”) poor design should not be used are, at least, threefold: 1) Without knowing the complete, ultimate purpose we cannot claim that the design is poor. 2) Just because we can imagine, literally merely imagine, a better design this does not mean that it is a better design nor that we have taken into consideration how the organ, function, etc. is utilized at every single stage of the organism’s life.

3) What happened to claims of vestigial organs is that as science progressed their functions were discovered and they were functioning perfectly well. Many claims of poor design have already been shown fallacious. Thus, such claims are momentary shouts of triumph which are constantly being hushed.

On a theological point: Dawkins defines “creationism” as basically North American YEC. Yet, while recognizing the YEC’s theological position on some matter he denies the theology of the fall into sin, corruption and entropy. I wonder if it may be argued that poor design, if there is any, could merely be the devolution of the original design.

Another issue which is generally handled via theology is the problem of evil, pain and suffering. I argue that if you reject God due to evil, pain and suffering you will find that the moment you do so you will look around and notice that evil, pain and suffering are still alive and well—and now you do not even have God to blame anymore. Dawkins writes,

Evolutionary biologists see no problem, because evil and suffering don’t count for anything, one way or the other, in the calculus of gene survival. Nevertheless, we do need to consider the problem of pain. Where, on the evolutionary view, does it come from? Pain, like everything else in life, we presume, is a Darwinian device, which functions to improve the sufferer’s survival (p. 393)

Or, as he had previously stated it,
nature is not cruel, only pitilessly indifferent. This is one of the hardest lessons for humans to learn. We cannot admit that things might be neither good nor evil, neither cruel nor kind, but simply callous—indifferent to all suffering, lacking all purpose.[2]

We are back to evolution is everything and everything is evolution. If it is, then evolutiondidit. If “A” and not “B”—evolutiondidit. What? Now we find that “B” and not “A”—evolutiondidit.
That “Pain…is a Darwinian device, which functions to improve the sufferer’s survival” is the very reason that atheists such as Sam Harris argue that rape played a beneficial evolutionary role in our development (see here for his and other atheist’s very odd statements about rape). Perhaps, in places of low populations it will make a beneficial come back.

Understand that theodicy-evolutionists solved the problem of evil by, essentially, stating, “What evil?”
Evil, pain and suffering are merely a part of nature, and a beneficial part at that. This was my point in my essay Darwin’s Chaplain; if God is, then the parasitic wasp is evil but if God is not the very same wasp doing the very same thing just is—and beneficial so.

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Now, since, as per theodicy-evolution, nature is all that there is and theodicy-evolution sees no problem with evil, pain and suffering—not only sees no problem but considers them beneficial—why not cause do “evil,” (whatever that mean in this view) and cause pain and suffering? Because…and here come the virtual tel of assertions as to why not; which may be fine reasoning but amounts to the impotence of a bio-organism who chose to hold such opinions.
But again, even granting the very best reasons for not causing evil, pain and suffering; what if I argue that since nature is all that there is and in nature evil, pain and suffering are beneficial I seek to benefit from evil, pain and suffering? Oh no, no! It is at this point that Dawkins becomes “anti-Darwinian.” But why? Because he is a “cultural-Christian.” Understand that he urges rebellion against Darwinism with regards to morality because it is morally better to do so—note the circular logic. There is no basis, there are mere infinite circles. This is because he follows Darwinism only to a certain point but does a u-turn when he sees its end and so he turns and heads towards Judeo-Christian principles but only to a certain point but does a u-turn when he sees its end and so he turns and heads towards Darwinism…he is stuck going in circles.

Yet, beyond this, Dawkins goes from employing evolution as supporting, or causing, theodicy (and then he is shocked that theists don’t believe in evolution) to call for converts,

Yes, there is grandeur in this view of life, and even a kind of grandeur in nature’s serene indifference to the suffering that inexorably follows in the wake of its guiding principle, survival of the fittest (p. 401)

Jeffrey Dahmer, the convicted murderous cannibal, fully embraced this grandeur in this view of life along with the benefits of evil, pain and suffering and knowing that of nature’s serene indifference:

If a person doesn’t think there is a God to be accountable to, then…what is the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges? That’s how I thought…I always believed the theory of evolution as truth, that we all just came from the slime.[3]

More likewise statements are found in my essays on atheism, meaning and purpose.

Does malevolence necessarily follow from theodicy-evolution? No. Does benevolence? No. Human beings learn that in nature evil, pain and suffering are beneficial and then make choices in whichever direction they want. As Dan Barker stated it so very well during his debate with Paul Manata,

There is no moral interpreter in the cosmos, nothing cares and nobody cares….what happens to me or a piece of broccoli, it won’t [matter], the Sun is going to explode, we’re all gonna be gone. No one’s gonna care.

Overall and sadly, The Greatest Show on Earth is yet another attempt a theodicy in the guise of science which will be very effective in turning off the very Holocaust deniers which Richard Dawkins seeks to convert to atheism.

Since Dawkins began to believe in “evolution” at the age of 16 because “I was taught it” it has always been about theodicy to him and I am not certain that he has ever been able to function as an unbiased biologist.

[1] The Atheism Tapes, Part 4: Richard Dawkins and Jonathan Miller
[2] Richard Dawkins, River Out of Eden – A Darwinian View of Life (New York, NY: Basic Books, 1995), p. 96
[3] During an interview with Stone Phillips, Dateline NBC, 11/29/1994

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PZ Myers Responds in a Self-Interested Way to Local Conditions

What else could he do? He is bound by Darwinism to do so and so he does so.

At least celebrity atheists agree and are consistent.

I love it when Darwinism is applied to anything and everything because there is absolutely nothing that cannot be “explained” by stating evolutiondidit. Morality? Evolutiondidit. Immorality? Evolutiondidit. Good? Evolutiondidit. Evil? Evolutiondidit. “A” and not “B”? Evolutiondidit. Oh, its actually “B” and not “A”? Evolutiondidit. The universe? Evolutiondidit. Life? Evolutiondidit. Monogamy? Evolutiondidit. Promiscuity? Evolutiondidit. Rape? Evolutiondidit. Theism? Evolutiondidit. Atheism? Well…sure why not? Evolutiondidit. It is just great; the story telling possibilities are endless.

This time PZ Myers sat his adherents down and told them a story about morality in Morality doesn’t equal God:

…First, there is no moral law: the universe is a nasty, heartless place where most things wouldn’t mind killing you if you let them. No one is compelled to be nice; you or anyone could go on a murder spree, and all that is stopping you is your self-interest (it is very destructive to your personal bliss to knock down your social support system) and the self-interest of others, who would try to stop you.

There is nothing ‘out there’ that imposes morality on you, other than local, temporary conditions, a lot of social enculturation, and probably a bit of genetic hardwiring that you’ve inherited from ancestors who lived under similar conditions.

This is what happens when a biologist makes the mistake of speaking on subjects which have nothing to do with his field of research.
First, there is no moral law and apparently the evidence is that the universe is a nasty, heartless place where most things wouldn’t mind killing you if you let them: I am not certain to which theology, epistemology or for that matter biology or cosmology he is appealing in order to draw a correlation from a “moral law” to an application of it to the universe and “most things.” The concept of a “moral law” does not take into consideration the explosion of supernovae, hurricanes, parasitic wasps, infectious bacteria, etc. They apply, by definition, to moral agents who have the capability to choose for or against.

Fine, let us restate the thought thusly, there is no moral law and apparently the evidence is that some human personages wouldn’t mind killing you if you let them. Yet, this would say nothing about a moral law except that it functions according to free will; that people break the law does not mean that there is no law—is there no law against drunk driving simple because people do it anyway?

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No one is compelled to be nice:
Yet, a law does not compel (to force) rather, a law prescribes. A law represents letters written upon a spirit—the spirit of the law is the parchment upon which the letter of the law is written.

you or anyone could go on a murder spree, and all that is stopping you is your self-interest (it is very destructive to your personal bliss to knock down your social support system) and the self-interest of others, who would try to stop you:
This is a, no less than frightening, window into the heart, mind, soul and worldview of PZ Myers. He has determined that there are two reasons that “you or anyone” (meaning all human beings) do not “go on a murder spree” as “all that is stopping you” is; 1) it would be like a major bummer dude, it would like totally destroy “your personal bliss” maaaaaaan and 2) someone might attempt to stop you which apparently implies that you could be hurt of incarcerated. Note that 1) assumes that I have a social support system or that I have one that I want to keep. In fact, many gangbangers commit murder in order to gain or replace a social support system—their gang.

This is a classic false dichotomy whereby the question would be posed “Why are you not going on a murder spree? Because your self-interest or your self-interest in not wanting to get hurt or caught?”

Sir, please speak for yourself. I do not go on a murder spree because 1) I do not want to murder anyone, 2) because I love people and empathize with even the most difficult of them, 3) because if I murder someone for something there surely are other doing the same and so murder does not solve anything, 4) because people need education and love more than they need to be murdered, 5) because they were created in God’s image, 6) because God loves them, etc.
Now, of course, while I would not murder anyone I would kill someone at the drop of a self-defense hat whilst protecting my family, for example.

It is shocking to learn that the only two reasons that PZ Myers is not going on murder sprees is because he is blissful and is afraid that he would get caught. What if, God forbid, he someday finds that his bliss has dulled, his social support system waned and he no longer cares about getting caught? In such a case 1) there is no moral law, 2) the universe is a nasty, heartless place, 3) no one is compelled to be nice, 4) you or anyone could go on a murder spree and 5) there is nothing “out there” that imposes morality on you but some abstract arbitrary social constructs based upon our ancestors figuring out at whom to fling their fecal excreta.

If you do good for good reason then when you do not do good you are violating the very premise upon which you base the very concept of goodness in the first place.
If you do good for no good reason then when you do not do good you are violating nothing at all.

PZ Myers withholds from murder for reasons that are arbitrary and tentative therefore…one shutters to think. More troubling still is that he takes a myopically parochial view of why he, personally, withholds from going on a murder sprees and applies it to “you or anyone” and it is because his atheistic-Darwinian-Myersian worldview calls for no other option.

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Now, keep in mind what some of us have known all along when we grant such a view. PZ Myers states something to the likes of,

Christians have advocated slavery, have murdered people for the awful crime of miscegenation, have decreed that people who don’t have the kind of sex they prefer are second-class citizens. Christians are thieves, murderers, rapists, and jay-walkers…

What he is stating, at the very most, is that according to his self-interest which is the apparent bliss which he feels by besmirching Christians is based on local, temporary conditions, a lot of social enculturation, and probably a bit of genetic hardwiring that he inherited from his ancestors who lived under similar conditions. Thus, the cosmically insignificant bio-organism known as “PZ Myers” has determined that his particular bio-chemically educed thought processes have lead him to personally prefer to call such actions “evil,” “wrong,” etc. and nothing more—nothing at all.

Do not think that he is joking when he, in part, describes his writings on his blog as “random biological ejaculations from a godless liberal.” Here ejaculations is employed according to the definition of a sudden short exclamation. He recognizes that he is merely a bio-organism responding in a self-interested way to local conditions and giving voice to bio-chemically induced collocations of matter.

Of course, this lack of murder due to self-interest makes perfect sense as per according to PZ Myer’s worldview the only option is Darwinian survival which amounts to self interest. But what is Darwinian-self-interest? What′a′ya′got? Morality? Darwinian-self-interest. Immorality? Darwinian-self-interest. Good? Darwinian-self-interest. Evil? Darwinian-self-interest. “A” and not “B”? Darwinian-self-interest. Oh, now its “B” and not “A”? Darwinian-self-interest. Monogamy? Darwinian-self-interest. Promiscuity? Darwinian-self-interest. Rape? Darwinian-self-interest. You name it.

Reciprocally and altruistically getting along with your neighbors? Darwinian-self-interest. Going on a murder spree, eating your neighbors and taking what they have? Darwinian-self-interest.

At least celebrity atheists agree and are consistent:
Richard Dawkins,

nature is not cruel, only pitilessly indifferent. This is one of the hardest lessons for humans to learn. We cannot admit that things might be neither good nor evil, neither cruel nor kind, but simply callous—indifferent to all suffering, lacking all purpose.[1]

…evil and suffering don’t count for anything, one way or the other, in the calculus of gene survival. Nevertheless, we do need to consider the problem of pain. Where, on the evolutionary view, does it come from? Pain, like everything else in life, we presume, is a Darwinian device, which functions to improve the sufferer’s survival.[2]

No wonder that when told (by Justin Brierley), “Ultimately, your belief that rape is wrong is as arbitrary as the fact that we’ve evolved five fingers rather than six.” Richard Dawkins answered, “You could say that, yeah.”

Dan Barker,

There is no moral interpreter in the cosmos, nothing cares and nobody cares…what happens to me or a piece of broccoli, it won’t [matter]. The Sun is going to explode, we’re all gonna be gone. No one’s gonna care.[3]

Since he believes that,

there are no action in and of themselves are always absolutely right or wrong. It depends on the context. You cannot name an action that is always, absolutely right or wrong, I can think of an exception in any case.[4]

He argues that even rape is not absolutely immoral.
He also states “Darwin has bequeathed what is good,” “abortion is a blessing” and that Jesus was “a moral monster.”

William Provine,

there is no ultimate foundation for ethics, no ultimate meaning in life, and no free will for humans either.

And oh, by the way, don’t forget to me “nice” because they say so (in the manner of a non-sequitur).

[1] Richard Dawkins, River Out of Eden – A Darwinian View of Life (New York, NY: Basic Books, 1995), p. 96
[2] Richard Dawkins, The Greatest Show on Earth (New York, NY: Free Press, 2009), p. 393
[3] During his debate with Paul Manata
[4] During his debate with Peter Payne

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Atheism, Ritual Human Sacrifice in the Bible, and EvilBible.com, part 2 of 5

In part 1 we considered that evilbible.com’s author has no premise, no basis, no ethos upon which to condemn anything at all and noted that the first examples under “Why does God want me to burn animals and humans?” was Abraham who “didn’t kill his son,” peppered with arguments from outrage.

Finishing up on the “Why does God want me to burn animals and humans?” section: evilbible.com’s author offers the opinion that the priesthood was basically a scam to exhort food and money from the populace. From an atheist perspective this is understandable and applicable to any clergy regardless of chronology, geography or theology.

Next we read:

Even more peculiar is God’s obsession with first-born sons. In Exodus 13:2 the Lord said “Consecrate to me every first-born that opens the womb among Israelites, both man and beast, for it belongs to me.” Later it says that you can redeem (replace) an ass with a sheep and that you must redeem a child for an unspecified price. It is clear from the context that “consecrate” means a burning sacrifice. These priests are guilty of theft and kidnapping. Since any sins in the Old Testament were punishable by death, these priests used the threat of death to extort food and money from their followers. What do we call a scum-bag that threatens to kill your kids unless you pay a ransom? A kidnapper! If these priests were alive today they would be in prison with Abraham.

However, in Leviticus 27:28-29, the Lord allows for no redemptions. “Note also that any one of his possessions which a man vows as doomed to the Lord, whether it is a human being or an animal, or a hereditary field, shall be neither sold nor ransomed; everything that is thus doomed becomes most sacred to the Lord. All human beings that are doomed lose the right to be redeemed; they must be put to death.” I must admit that I am a bit confused by this contradiction, but it might only apply to slaves in your possession. Not that it makes any difference. A human sacrifice is a human sacrifice, and it is just sick. [emphasis in original]

There seems to be a typo at “any sins” which should probably read as “any sin” or, mostly likely, “many sins.”

I can completely understand why to someone whose Bible knowledge consists of pull quotes “God’s obsession with first-born sons” would be “peculiar.” It is the person who possesses at least some working knowledge of the Bible, particularly its most basic greater context, who know the very many references to, and correlations between, the first-born sons and God’s first-born-single, only of its kind, primary, unique-Son.

In a refreshing change of pace evilbible.com’s author considers context yet, fails to differentiate between, or correlate, immediate and greater context. In other words: does “consecrate” mean “a burning sacrifice”? “No” in the immediate sense, “Yes” in the greater sense.

To “consecrate” qadash refers primarily to sanctify, prepare, dedicate, be hallowed, be holy, be separate, etc. (Strong # H6942). This is very clear from v. 12 which states,

you shall set apart to the LORD all that open the womb, that is, every first-born that comes from an animal which you have; the males [shall be] the LORD’s.

I am at a loss as to how considering something/someone sanctified, prepared, dedicated, hallowed, holy, separated amounts to “theft and kidnapping” but I did learn from my study of evilbible.com’s page on rape in the Bible that evilbible.com’s author tends to invent preconceived notions and then imagine that they are in texts where they are most certainly not.

Since there was no such thing as human sacrifice according to the Old Testament priesthood there is no chance that the obedient priests “threatens to kill your kids unless you pay a ransom.” Yet, note the further symbolism which is, at least, twofold:

1) The redemption of the first-born was correlated in vss. 14-15 to the first-born which perished in Egypt.
2) We may further infer a correlation of the Messiah Jesus as redeemer.

Note also what was pointed out in part one about the reference to “today”; “If these priests were alive today they would be in prison with Abraham.” This is indicative of the atheist claim that morality evolves and so they cannot condemn what the priests did, even if they were “scum-bag_kidnapper!” but can only express outrage. Get the point? Knowing that they cannot logically condemn any past actions they can only fantasize those actions being contemporary when they could be deemed immoral-yet, how do they know that even as they condemn those actions they are not evolving into moral actions?

Next evilbible.com’s author jumps context from “consecrate” qadash (Strong # H6942) to “devote” charam which refers to to ban, devote, destroy utterly/completely destroy, dedicate for destruction, to prohibit, etc. (Strong # H2763).

Yet, this is not merely about a different word, although that is quite significant, but it is a vast change in context from the consecration of the first-born to a system of “valuation” (estimation of value). The two texts are simply not relatable. In the case of Leviticus 27:28-29 we are dealing specifically with the issue of a person who is “doomed lose the right to be redeemed” (as the NAB oddly puts it) or “person devoted to destruction” (NIV) or “person under the ban, who may become doomed to destruction” (NKJV).

Who are these people? They appear to be people such as those mentioned in Joshua 6:17 who were “under the ban” (NAB) or “accursed” (NKJV) and in Joshua 7:12 with regards to the Ai incident who where “doomed to destruction” and may also refer to those sentenced to capital punishment. In other words, you cannot simply get out of it by having someone flip your bill.

The beauty of this whole issue is that you can forget about what particular words mean and forget differing translations and come to fully understand the meaning by considering the immediate and greater context.

This is tantamount to arguing that some Bibles translate the sixth commandments as forbidding “killing” and some “murder.” It is ultimately irrelevant since the greater context distinguishes between two manners by which to take a life:

1) Legal and moral such as in self-defense or war.
2) Illegal and immoral such as in committing a crime or beating someone to death on purpose.

While 1) is generally referred to as “killing” and 2) as “murder” it is the contexts which defines the words.

Having concluded the “Why does God want me to burn animals and humans?” section our next segment will consider “Bible Passages About Ritual Human Sacrifice.”

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On the Flying Spaghetti Monster, the Invisible Pink Unicorns, et al., part 2 of 4

This segment of True Freethinker’s essay which considers natural theology, or general revelation, will consider The Flying Spaghetti Monster.

The Flying Spaghetti Monster
That we are left to discuss the Flying Spaghetti Monster and Invisible Pink Unicorns is only indicative of the deleterious effect of the New Atheist movement whereby belittling and clever quips pass for reason and dealing with arguments as our opponents proposes them.

The Flying Spaghetti Monster and the Invisible Pink Unicorns are meant to be on a footing with theism and particularly the Judeo-Christian God. In part 4 we will consider whether the Judeo-Christian God passes natural theology’s / general revelation’s test. Let us see if the Flying Spaghetti Monster and Invisible Pink Unicorns do so.

In the first instance the shahadah may be stated as: “There is no god but the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and Bobby Henderson (pbuh) is his messenger.” The Flying Spaghetti Monster’s adherent are known as “pastafarians.” The Flying Spaghetti Monster first revealed his presence in 2005 AD to Bobby Henderson who stated,

I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. It was He who created all that we see and all that we feel_
He is of course invisible and can pass through normal matter with ease an artistic drawing of Him creating a mountain, trees, and a midget.

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Firstly, we should point out that, as per New Atheist “reasoning,” the primary point to make is that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is not a real alternative at all because it raises an even bigger problem than it solves namely: who spaghettied the spaghetti? We may likewise ask: who amassed the meatballs?Since we cannot answer these questions the Spaghettied One does not answer anything.The Flying Spaghetti Monster has a physical body and thus, is not immaterial nor spirit: it has extension in space is therefore limited by spatial dimensions and restricted by locality and thus, is not omnipresent. One adherent of the cult of the Flying Spaghetti Monster made specific reference to its “noodly appendage.”

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This parody of “The Creation of Adam” is interesting in that it brings to mind the original. In the original God is depicted as a Kenny Rogers looking man (after the facelift); a concept which is certainly not in the least bit biblical. However, I have discerned much truth in the painting which I expressed in my essay The Creation of Adam.Since the Flying Spaghetti Monster is physical it is subject to the absorption and deflection of light particles and is therefore visible and particularly hued. Bobby Henderson did claim that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is “invisible and can pass through normal matter” and so either Bobby Henderson is a false prophet or the Flying Spaghetti Monster knows how to traverse dimensions.Since the Flying Spaghetti Monster’s physical body consists of spaghetti and meatballs the constituents of the godhead are as follows: eggs, salt and pepper, flour, water, beef and or pork, basil, parsley, mushrooms, bread crumbs, oil, etc.Since these physical entities must have, by necessity, preexisted the Flying Spaghetti Monster it cannot be the uncaused first cause. Moreover, the constituents of spaghetti and meatballs must have been amassed by an Intelligent Chef who not only had access to various physical ingredients and knew how to put them together just right, fine tuned them, but utilized cookware and some form of energy with which to cook the ingredients.The Flying Spaghetti Monster is made of the very materials which it is alleged to have created. It could not have created itself since it would have to have been in order to have created itself.Since the Flying Spaghetti Monster is composed of various complex parts that were merged it had a beginning.Since it is physical it is not immaterial.Since it had a beginning it had a cause.Since it had a beginning it is not eternal.It experiences time and is not eternal.It is limited by space. This is true even if it can pass though matter since it has to “pass through” it in order to make its way to another location. Therefore, it is not omnipresent.Since it is composed of material objects it is not a contingent being.

The Flying Spaghetti Monster does not pass the test of natural theology.

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Scientific [Fiction] American

In his Scientific American article Scientists on Religion – Theist and materialist ponder the place of humanity in the universe, George Johnson writes the following of Owen Gingerich’s book God’s Universe and Francis S. Collin‘s book The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief:

…along with most every reconciler of science and religion, invoke the anthropic principle: that the values of certain physical constants such as the charge of the electron appear to be “fine-tuned” to produce a universe hospitable to the rise of conscious, worshipful life.
But the universe is not all that hospitable-try leaving Earth without a space-suit. Life took billions of years to take root on this planet, and it is an open question whether it made it anywhere else. To us carboniferous creatures, the dials may seem miraculously tweaked, but different physical laws might have led to universes harboring equally awe-filled forms of energy, cooking up anthropic arguments of their own.

Well, the caricatures of scientist who also dare to admit that they are also theists continues unabated by bothersome facts.

Yes, it is argued by appeal to the best scientific knowledge at our disposal that “the values of certain physical constants…appear to be ‘fine-tuned’ to produce a universe hospitable…”
But it is a non-sequitur that spans the breath of the known universe to so fallaciously assert that this is somehow at variance with the fact that we cannot live if we “try leaving Earth without a space-suit.” The Earth has been shown to be in a unique locality and to contain the unique atmosphere, etc. commensurate to life. The same has never, ever been claimed of space as a whole.

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It is no arguments against fine-tuning to note that fine-tuning provided us one planet to live upon without the utilization of life preserving paraphernalia-that is just the point: this planet is a life preserving unit. The fact that atheist’s ultimate explanation for anything and everything is “It just is; it just happened to happen” should not keep us from detecting design where others see fortuitous accidents.

That it may be that “Life took billions of years to take root on this planet” has nothing to do with whether this planet and the atmosphere, solar system, galaxy, universe which is wrapped around it were fine-tuned or not.

dnahand-6852554Moreover, that “different physical laws might have led to universes harboring equally awe-filled forms of energy, cooking up anthropic arguments of their own” is just the point.

Let us briefly note the qualifier “might” and further note that this statement is premised upon an unscientific assertions which sees life as either accidental or, perhaps, the inevitable outcome of whatever the physical laws may happenstantially be.

But that is just the point: the physical laws imply fine-tuning and making science fiction assertions about multi-verses or alternate universes is absolutely no way to deny it (see here for cosmology and refutation of the multi-verse SciFi).

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Lastly, merely asserting that different physical laws would lead to other life forms is not only further science fiction: but if, in fact, there were “different physical laws” it would say absolutely nothing about whether they were fine-tuned and may, indeed, be evidence of fine-tuning in each case.

In order to protect their chosen worldviews and prop up the facade of scientific respectability, as very thin veneer indeed, some atheists are perfectly willing to deny evidence to the contrary or to even entertain such evidence to the point that they at least recognize it as something to build from-you know, good ol’ fashioned doing science.

The fact that it is a logical and scientifically valid inference to consider fine-tuning to imply creation does not make any bit of wild imagination, fiction and misrepresentation valid. This is so even when atheists are desperate to protect their consoling delusion of lack of ultimate accountability and the consoling delusion of absolute autonomy and even if the scientific cenobites of the peer reviewed science [fiction] journals approve.

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Positive Atheism – Cliff Walker : Weak Bible Week Poster, part 7 of 7

Jesus Christ: Peace and Stupidity:
The next section takes direct aim at “Jesus Christ” the first subsection of which is “The Prince of Peace.” Making reference to Matthew 10:34-35 the text is quoted as “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother_” Interestingly, for unknown reasons Cliff Walker neglects to reference or quote verse 36, “And a man’s foes shall be those of his own household.” We are not talking about world wars here and as far as one’s foes being those of one’s own household sadly, many of us can personally attest to the accuracy of this statement.

Next is the section “Stupid Gospel Tricks” which presents “The Fig Tree Enigma” and is the section into which Cliff Walker placed the most amount of effort, if it may be referred to as such. The reference to Mark 11:12-14, 20-21 is quoted thusly:

“The next day…, Jesus was hungry. Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. Then he said to the tree, ‘May no one ever eat fruit from you again.’…In the morning…, they saw the fig tree withered from the roots. Peter…said to Jesus, ‘Rabbi, look! The fig tree…has withered!'”

Cliff Walker then lists “Points to remember” which are:

“Jesus was hungry.””He looked for figs on a tree.”

“But it was not fig season.”

He then offers us “Questions to ponder” and writes:

“If it wasn’t fig season, why would even a moron look for figs? Is killing a tree for not bearing fruit out of season a reasonable response by any standard? Matthew 21:18-21 (written after and based upon Mark) says it withered at once. Mark says they saw it the next day and then marveled. Something’s terribly wrong, here. Was Matthew possibly dissatisfied with a Jesus who’d take an entire day to wither a damned fig tree?”

Apparently, no one noticed this or figured it out for 2,000 years. If it is so clear that “even a moron” would not look for figs out of season why would Jesus have done it and why would the apostles record the event? Perhaps they are all moronic. However, the issue is that Cliff Walker apparently fails to recognize that Jesus’ actions were parabolic. Someone familiar with the Bible will note that the fig tree is symbolic of Israel. Take particular note of Luke 13:6-9 where Jesus tells a parable about a fig-tree that is not producing fruit:

“He also spoke this parable: A certain man had a fig-tree planted in his vineyard. And he came and sought fruit on it, and found none. And he said to the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig-tree, and find none. Cut it down, why does it encumber the ground? And answering, he said to him, Lord, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and throw manure. And if it bears fruit, well; and if not, then after that you shall cut it down.”

Moreover, Matthew 24:32-33 refers to the fig-tree as indicative of times and seasons,

“Now learn a parable of the fig tree. When its branch is still tender and puts out leaves, you know that summer is near. So you, likewise, when you see all these things, shall know that it is near, at the doors.”

In any case, it appears that the issue was not the irrationality of seeking fruit before its time but that the tree was not producing fruit when it was supposed to. But how can this be considering that Mark 11:13b states “He found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs”?
There are at least two reasonable answers here: either the parabolic action was meant to demonstrate that we aught to “be prepared in season and out of season” (2nd Timothy 4:2) another thing that someone familiar with the Bible would know or the reference is to the lack of ripe figs since, from what I understand, green figs are produced along with the leaves in April and then ripen in June-ergo, figs should have been present even in an unripe form and “out of season.”

The remark about Matthew being based upon Mark appears to be a reference to the “Q” document hypothesis. It is asserted that Q was a document from which Mark was written from which Matthew was written etc., etc. Of course, Q is not a document, not a manuscript, not even a fraction of papyri. Q is an ethereal concept, a fantasy document that no one has ever, never ever, seen. Eta Linnemann’s well rounded discussion of the “Q” issues is found as Adobe or html. I wrote on this issue and the Old Testament document hypothesis here.

But what is the issue between Matthew and Mark? What is “terribly wrong”? Nothing. Even within Cliff Walker’s criticism we see that it is nothing. He states that in Matthew the tree “withered at once” while in Mark “they saw it the next day.” Mark states that the actual tree actually “withered at once” this was how long it took the tree to wither. Matthew refers to when “they saw it” which was “the next day.” It withered in one day and they saw it the next.

In Conclusion:
Overall, what is terribly wrong with the poster is Cliff Walker’s overeager [pseudo] skepticism combined with his lack of basic biblical, historical, cultural, grammatical knowledge and reasoning skills. In the end he discredits himself while leaving the Bible resting easy.

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Monsters vs Aliens

Do Aliens Exist?

Much about atheism is quite misunderstood, for example:
Atheists are considered anti-religion but they are not; many are in favor of an atheist one world religion-the Alluminati’s new world order.
Atheists are considered anti-supernatural but they are not; many believe in the supernatural realm known as the multiverse.
Atheists are considered anti-imaginary friends, super friends, sky daddies, etc. but they are not; many believe in aliens.

I love a book that instantly gives you something to ponder. Such was the case when I opened “King Solomon’s Advice” by Walter L. Porter; Professor of Psychology at Harding University.
I have had this book in my holster for quite some time but it had to wait its turn, like oh so many others. I have just started it so cannot say anything about it as of yet.

However, on the very first page of the introduction he wrote something that resonated with a concept that I have long found fascinating: outer space aliens in general and atheism’s love aliens.

Various atheists have appealed to their imaginary friends / super friends / sky daddies as a final court of arbitration who will decide, in favor of atheism, were they ever to openly revel themselves.

For many atheists: aliens know it all, can do anything and most importantly they are atheists who will someday grace us with their open presence and refute those wacky theists. The technologically and intellectually advanced alien-nerd-herd takes the place of God; they will someday appear and vindicate atheism.

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Upon making scientific observations of DNA Francis Crick ascertained that the ultimate atheist explanation for anything and everything, “It just is, it just happened to happen, evolutiondidit” did not cut the mustard. However, being an atheist he necessarily restricted his thinking and chose to propose that life had been seeded on Earth by technologically advanced aliens: directed panspermia-Johnny-Alien-Seed.

Orgel and Crick managed to provoke the public and their colleagues by speculating that the seeds of life were sent to the earth in a spaceship by intelligent beings living on another planet. Orgel says the proposal, which is known as directed panspermia, was “sort of a joke.”
But he notes that it had a serious intent: to point out the inadequacy of all explanations of terrestrial genesis. As Crick once wrote: “The origin of life appears to be almost a miracle, so many are the conditions which would have had to be satisfied to get it going.”1

The book [Life Itself] proposed that the seeds of life were sent to the earth in a spaceship launched by beings on another planet. Called directed panspermia, the theory met with derision from other scientists, and Orgel himself described it recently as “sort of a joke.” But Crick insists that given the weaknesses of all theories of terrestrial genesis, directed panspermia should still be considered “a serious possibility.”2

Number eight of Sam Harris’ 10 myths about atheism regards aliens as he ponders the possibility that there “is complex life elsewhere in the cosmos”:

If there is, such beings could have developed an understanding of nature’s laws that vastly exceeds our own. Atheists can freely entertain such possibilities.
They also can admit that if brilliant extraterrestrials exist, the contents of the Bible and the Koran will be even less impressive to them than they are to human atheists.

“If…could have…if…will be…” got it! Let us play the turnaround game:

If there is, such beings could have developed an understanding of nature’s laws that vastly exceeds our own. Theists can freely entertain such possibilities.
They also can admit that if brilliant extraterrestrials exist, the contents of the Bible and the Koran will be even more impressive to them than they are to human theists.

Let us consider this another of atheism’s consoling delusions: the delusion of affirmation via higher intellects (exactly the view of the atheists street as they adoringly look to their cenobites for guidance).

In arguing that rape is not absolutely immoral, Dan Barker appeals to malevolent alien rape voyeurs (Dan Barker is of the Freedom From Religion Foundation which was established in a country premised upon freedom of religious expression). He envisages (he actually sits around imagining such scenarios) technologically advanced aliens who offer an option: they will destroy the Earth or watch a woman being raped. Thus, Dan Barker concludes that nothing is absolutely immoral because, “I can think of an exception in any case.” By the way: he just solved the “problem of evil.” This scenario is detailed at this link.

During his “Royal Institution Christmas Lectures” aka “The Royal Institution Lectures for Children” Richard Dawkins told little kids the following:

If we ever meet life from another planet…

I’d also be prepared to put my shirt on the bet that they will have evolved by the way equivalent of Darwinian Natural Selection…

They’ll probably find us pretty childish, but they will be quite kind about our science. They’ll pat us on the head and say, “Well, what you know about Universe is pretty much correct. You got a lot to learn yet, but you are doing fine. Keep it up.” That’s what they would say if they were talking to our scientists. What if they were talking to our best lawyers or literary critics or theologians? I doubt if they’d be so impressed.They might be…their anthropologists, the equivalent of their anthropologists might be interested in us, but they would be bound to notice that our cultural beliefs are very local and parochial; not just by their standards, their universal standards, where they certainly would be, but even by our own standards.

Because what people believe on our planet depends so much on whereabouts on the planet they happen to be born, which is a fairly odd thing.

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Now to Walter L. Porter’s statement:

A number of conferences have been conducted by scientists on the subject of life in outer space. The consensus appears to be that other life forms exist out there (in spite of the total lack of what is currently considered to be scientific evidence) and that they include creatures who are not only non-human and “incredibly alien,” but are also ”vastly more intelligent than we.”

The director of one conference, sponsored jointly by Boston University and NASA, expressed the hope that contact with these creatures “. . . might also lead us to better social forms, possibly to ways to solve our environmental crisis, even improve our own social institutions.”
Another participant hoped that these beings can give us “. . . the means by which we can control the application of our knowledge. This is where we have, I think, lamentably failed.”

I find all of this incredibly ironic. Modern science is looking toward heaven for salvation!

As a matter of fact, the ancient Israelites recorded many encounters with non-human creatures of vastly superior abilities who provided them with information vital to their survival and prosperity. Many of their great men told of having personally received knowledge from beyond earth.

For example, Moses credited both his power to lead the people out of Egyptian bondage and all the details of his great law to an ongoing encounter with an extra-terrestrial being.

Joseph was a Hebrew slave who rose to the highest administrative position in ancient Egypt.Daniel, another captive Jew, was a chief adviser to Nebuchadnezzar, who was king of the great Babylonian Empire.Both of these men achieved greatness because of special knowledge personally provided to them by

non-earthlings.

Ancient Hebrew documents contain many similar reports. Indeed, from the time of their founding father, Abraham, the Israelites were told by heavenly beings that they had been chosen for a special role in the development of the human race.
Through the Israelite people the entire world would gain access to special knowledge needed to promote the progress of civilization and to combat our destructive tendencies…What was revealed includes knowledge relevant for understanding ourselves and for telling how we can live together peacefully-the most critical knowledge we need.

It is, of course, an old familiar story told in an old familiar book-the Bible. The Bible tells of another world in another realm or dimension in the heavens inhabited by superior creatures and ruled by a supreme Being whose unimaginable power and intelligence created not only this universe but all things.

From time to time in the past, communication was made from that realm to some select citizen. Sometimes these creatures simply materialized in human form and were recognized only by their superhuman powers. But more often the contact was made through a form of mental telepathy, by means of a spectacular vision or a dream.3