When Atheists utterly refuse to discuss “Biblical views on slavery,” 1 of 7

Hereinafter commences a series depicting discussion I had—or, attempted to have—with various Atheist about a video titled, “Biblical views on slavery with and Old an New Testament Scholar”—when all segments are posted, you will be able to find them all here.

You will note that the Atheists were quick to jump to their typical brimstone and fire condemnation modus operandi. However, once I sought to pick the scab of the conclusions with which they began, which exposed the mere assertions upon which they were jumping to conclusions, they typically called me names and utterly refused to engage in issues that are inconvenient to their worldviews.

I, Ken Ammi, got things stated by commenting:

At 55 min in, Josh [Dr. Joshua Bowen] falls apart since he argues about whether it is “absolutely fine to say is it okay to keep a person and hand them down as inheritance,” etc., etc., etc., he has gotten ahead of himself because as an Atheist/Agnostic he has no premise upon which to condemn anything thus, he does not bother telling us why some accidentally and temporarily existing ape relatives in an accidentally and temporarily existing universe wherein there are not absolute ethics imperatives to own, keep, etc. other accidentally and temporarily existing ape relatives.

Likewise with why God did not miraculously get rid of “slavery”: you cannot simply emotively jump to that since you have not, as of yet, taken step one so that you are beginning with a styled conclusion and one based on hidden assumptions. When you do not bother stating what is wrong (in a non-subjectively emotive manner) in the first place then you cannot yet complain as to why the wrong was not righted.

I would also ask you to consider the reversal of the proposal that—for no other reason than because you say so, apparently—”you can have some kind of a concept of the Bible of Scripture or the Bible is it and this isn’t really” inspired: how about we solve such issues by having Atheists give up Atheism?

Russell Millar replied thusly:

So you think if humans and other mammals have common ancestors then slavery is okay? So you’re down with owning people whether or not there’s a God?

Ken Ammi:

Friend, the issue is what is the problem with “owning people” and no Atheists in this comment section nor in the video bothered arguing that point.

You see, just like you, they began with a conclusion based on hidden assumptions so first back up and tell us how does your worldview 1) provide a premise for truth, logic, and ethics, 2) for adhering to them, and 3) for demanding that others do likewise?

Russell Millar:

Assuming  someone has no “premise” for logic, truth or ethics because they don’t believe the way you do, means you don’t even understand what those things are. Nothing in the bible gives us any of those three things…sorry. I know slavery and rape are evils that should not be tolerated under any circumstances and neither you nor those who wrote the bible have a premise to understand that.

Ken Ammi:

I am unsure how asking “how does your worldview 1) provide a premise for truth, logic, and ethics” is the same as “Assuming someone has no ‘premise’ for logic, truth or ethics”: it is the 100% exact opposite.

I will imagine that if your worldview provided you such premises you would have relied rather than committing a tu quoque logical fallacy.

Or are you implying that you are a Bible believer? I ask because I asked “how does your worldview 1) provide a premise for truth, logic, and ethics” and you replied, “Nothing in the bible gives us any of those three things.”

Now, you say you “know slavery and rape are evils that should not be tolerated under any circumstances” but the point is that what you claim to know is a merely gnostic jump to an asserted conclusion. BTW: well known and respected Atheists have claimed that rape played a beneficial role in human evolution.

Jack Russell chimed in by eruditely elucidating:

You should have listened to your Mum & Dad.

Ken Ammi:

Yeah, I realize that some Atheists/Agnostics believe in indoctrination. But you have an utterly fascinating way of constantly running away, as fast as you can, for those issues that are so very inconvenient to your worldview that you are desperate to not face them.

At this point the issues are:

I am unsure how asking “how does your worldview 1) provide a premise for truth, logic, and ethics” is the same as “Assuming  someone has no ‘premise’ for logic, truth or ethics”: it is the 100% exact opposite.

I will imagine that if your worldview provided you such premises you would have relied rather than committing a tu quoque logical fallacy.

Or are you implying that you are a Bible believer? I ask because I asked “how does your worldview 1) provide a premise for truth, logic, and ethics” and you replied, “Nothing in the bible gives us any of those three things.”

Now, you say you “know slavery and rape are evils that should not be tolerated under any circumstances” but the point is that what you claim to know is a merely gnostic jump to an asserted conclusion. BTW: well known and respected Atheists have claimed that rape played a beneficial role in human evolution.

Jack Russell:

You certainly appear to have a vivid imagination. Where did I mention anything about ‘slavery and rape being evils’ or ‘nothing in the Bible gives us any of these three things’. Are you sure you are replying to the correct person?

Ken Ammi:

Wow, I see what happened now—even though I am unsure why YouTube @’ed you. You are right, I was not replying to “Jack Russell” but to “Russell Millar.”

Well, that was my bad as the crazy kids say now-a-days. Well, that ended that exchange since neither of them replied anymore.

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In the next segment, another Atheist will be up to bat.

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