When a Catholic Attempts to Convert Me, 3 of 7

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Continuing a discussion that took place when a Catholic attempted to set me straight about my critiques of Catholicism—many of which I detail in my book In Consideration of Catholic Doctrines, Traditions and Dogmas.
When all segments of this discussion are posted, you will be able to find them here.

This time, he followed before, I could reply, with:

Continuing a discussion that took place when a Catholic attempted to set me straight about my critiques of Catholicism—many of which I detail in my book In Consideration of Catholic Doctrines, Traditions and Dogmas.
When all segments of this discussion are posted, you will be able to find them here.

This time, he followed before, I could reply, with:
Brother in Christ, whoever turns out to be “right”, let us remember St. Augustine’s words: humility makes men into angels, and pride makes angels into demons.
The crux of it all is the issue of authority — who did God intend to interpret the Bible? 2 Peter 3:15-16 tells us how difficult Paul’s letters are to understand, and how many people twist them away from their intended meaning. That’s where heresy (Greek for error) enters in. There was a mathematician named Ivan Panin who decoded Bible numerics, illustrating the divine origin by this unfathomable heptadic structure (Greek letter symbols had proper number values, like Hebrew). But he said certain passages, like a section from Mark, I can’t remember which, caused the structure to break down, thus he says it’s not inspired and tossed it out, and many (Chuck Missler among them) followed Panin, essentially making him the authority on what’s inspired. I was taken in by these two guys for months actually, learning a ton from Missler truth be told, but ultimately, I had to resolve who’s the authority, Ivan Panin? Chuck Missler? Myself? Methodists? Evangelicals? Or the oldest institution in the world, that traces its origin straight back to Jesus? Which makes the most sense? — Further responses in red below. Blessings to you and yours!

Here is my reply:
This is clearly turning into a trading of essays and is already getting unmanageable so I would be willing to forego all that which follows and opt for a discussion of whether accepting Catholic dogma is required for salvation.

Now, you are merely assuming that Paul wrote one thing to them but orally taught something different: that is a mere assertion.
Paul wrote “But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you FOR SALVATION through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, to which He called you by OUR GOSPEL, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.”
Ergo, he taught them the gospel in writing and word of mouth.
Recall that I wrote “please quote me even one single word of oral tradition spoken my any apostle—anything not found in the Bible” and you just ranted in reply but were unable to provide even one single word.

If you have info proving different cannons pre and post Jamnia I would like to see it as well as “Jesus’s own set of Scriptures.”
That the “the Church wrote and codified the Bible” seems to ignore millennia’s worth of us Jews writing and codifying it.

Peter wrote of himself as “a fellow elder,” if you disagree due to later “tradition” then take it up with him.

The Council of Nicea had nothing to do with the cannon.
You noted “The crux of it all is the issue of authority” I asked “So you are saying that ‘the divine authority of the Catholic Church’ comes from the New Testament but how do you know that the New Testament is giving the (Roman) Catholic Church divine authority?” and you failed to reply to that.

I am glad you are not really making a point about “we’re all just a bunch of Johns” since what you wrote about is Catholic-word-salad just like your statements about Eve and Mary.

How do you know that “Mary and Joseph were to the right and left of the Manger” and especially that “so are they in Heaven”?

Those supposed apparitions of alleged Mary constantly demand adherence to “Mary” and so that is not from God even is that spirit panders every now and then. I earnestly suggest reading my site wherein I consider many such supposed Mary apparitions. You are again failing to note the Bible’s test for a prophet: a false prophet may say true things that come to pass but that is not enough if their ultimate message is to go after other gods—such as the faux Mary that Catholicism manipulated to be almost exactly like Jesus.

It is not Nestorianism to affirm that Jesus human nature was birthed through Mary but He has forever lived and was divine prior to His Earthly birth—Jesus became a human-male-man at conception, He did not become God at conception since He always is God.

I see what you mean about 1 Kings 2:20, you will take it out context to make people think it states something it does not and then drop it when such is pointed out to you.

You make a category error about “Since Mary is dead” since we know very well that there is Earthly live and eternal life. God forbad communication with the dead, Mary is dead, ergo, communicating with her is necromancy. The intercessory prayer examples you provide are offered by people who are alive on the Earth at the time so you cannot just teach people to violate God’s word by avoiding inconvenient facts.
I have no idea what “Mary hears me because she’s ‘oned’ to God” means but Mary is blessed among women, not above all women and men and Angels, etc.
And yes, I am aware of the Catholic manipulation of Gen 3:15.
By the way, Satan is a Cherub, not a Seraph.

Regarding repetitive prayers: please read Jesus’ words rather than the words of those who want you to violate them, His point is that the repetition is what makes it vain since God hears you, “when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites…when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For THEY THINK THAT THEY WILL BE HEARD FOR THEIR MANY WORDS. Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him.”
Such is why of the many, many, many, many prayers recorded in the Bible there is not one single repetitive one.
Also, you ignored the point about that you do not even bother praying the real rosary supposedly brought to Earth from heaven by Mary herself, you pray a watered-down version—right?

You utterly ignored my point about how “you utterly ignore the millennia of my Jewish traditions about the Passover meal and you begin with ‘This is my body’ and ‘This is my blood’ and turn it into whatever you want” and avoided answering “pray tell, what cup did He say that about and what bread?”

I often experience people attempting to read emotions into my black and white texts and can only assure you that I appreciate our discussion.

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We will consider that which followed in the next segment.


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