The Metal Bible Podcast posted on Facebook in order to ask and answer, in part, “Who has been the most influential person for you who has helped you in your understanding of scripture? For me it started with Chuck Missler…and then moved to Dr. Heiser after that…Missler introduced me to the concept of Nephilim and then Heiser took that baton and sprinted with it…”
Sandy Mueller commented
Ken Ham was the first, then my local pastor Steve Wilson, then Ray Comfort, now it’s Chuck Missler and Bible project. I’ll have to look up Heiser. For apologetics Greg Koukl, and Hillary Morgan Ferrer. For mothering Abbie Halberstadt.
I, True Freethinker, replied
One thing Missler and Heiser had in common was un-biblical Nephilology if for no other reason that they both taught post-flood Nephilim but that’s not a biblical doctrine.
Sandy Mueller
I haven’t researched the nephilim much but I believe they are talked about in numbers when the spies give the report about the land. From what I understand there isn’t much about them in the Bible so I’m not going to be upset if someone I listen to is … See more
The Metal Bible Podcast
True Freethinker Numbers 13:33 literally says there were post flood Nephilim… it uses that exact word…
[Num 13:33 NASB20] 33 “We also saw the Nephilim there (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”
The Metal Bible Podcast
Sandy Mueller Michael S. Heiser is an AMAZING source for this kind of stuff… one of the few you can actually trust to give you the truth on this topic without taking away from what the Bible actually says about this topic
True Freethinker to Sandy Mueller
But friend, we could talk about George Washington right now but that doesn’t mean he’s alive or that I’ve actually seen him.
Yes, “they are talked about in numbers” but it wasn’t the generic, “spies” but ten of them: the ten who presented an “evil report,” were unreliable, and were rebuke by God. The reason why one single sentence from them is the entirety of post-flood references to Nephilim is that they just made up a tall-tale—and they contracted Moses, Caleb, Joshua, the entire rest of the whole Bible, and God.
I hate to be self-serving but I’ve written some dozen Nephilology books, many, many, many, many, many articles and many videos.
Just beware since 100% of pop-Nephilologists tech un-biblical tall-tales.
True Freethinker to The Metal Bible Podcast
Actually when you say, “Numbers 13:33 literally says” that’s a reification fallacy and no one would have understood to what you’re referring until a full ¾ of the way through church history.
So, the key question are: who said it, why was it said, was it accurate, what was the reaction to it, etc.
Now, I can use the exact words “George Washington” and claim that I just saw him so “it uses that exact word” has nothing to do with the facts of the matter.
What you’re doing is quoting one single sentence from an “evil report” by unreliable guys whom God rebuked so, why do you believe them? They made five mere assertions and contracted Moses, Caleb, Joshua, the entire rest of the whole Bible, and God.
As for Heiser, by definition when it comes to demonology and Nephilology he die take away from what the Bible actually says.
Here are a couple of examples:
“Rebuttal to Dr. Michael Heiser’s ‘All I Want for Christmas is Another Flawed Nephilim Rebuttal’”
“Review of Amy Richter and Michael Heiser on four Enochian Watcher related women in Jesus’ genealogy”
Matthew Vancil
The two you said and Rob Skiba.
True Freethinker
One thing Missler, Skiba, and Heiser had in common was un-biblical Nephilology if for no other reason that they taught post-flood Nephilim but that’s not a biblical doctrine.
The Metal Bible Podcast
Wrong [Num 13:33 NASB20] 33 “We also saw the Nephilim there (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”
True Freethinker
Since I don’t base doctrines on one single verse, can you tell me who said that, why they said it, if it was accurate, what the reaction to it was, etc.?
Fred Shewmake
Craig keener, nt wright, David desilva, William lane Craig and Michael Heiser
True Freethinker
Dr. Heiser was credentialed and experienced but not infallible, his Nephilology wasn’t biblical, and he tended to create more problems than he solved—see these articles for examples:
Review of Amy Richter and Michael Heiser on four Enochian Watcher related women in Jesus’ genealogy
Rebuttal to Dr. Michael Heiser’s “All I Want for Christmas is Another Flawed Nephilim Rebuttal”
The Metal Bible Podcast
Wrong…. [Num 13:33 NASB20] 33 “We also saw the Nephilim there (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”
True Freethinker
If you read the articles, especially the one about “…Flawed Nephilim…” you wouldn’t be merely asserting “Wrong” and merely posting one verse.
MemeVangelists ·
Heiser hole gooooooo
True Freethinker
Dr. Heiser was credentialed and experienced but not infallible, his Nephilology wasn’t biblical, and he tended to create more problems than he solved—see these articles for examples:
Review of Amy Richter and Michael Heiser on four Enochian Watcher related women in Jesus’ genealogy
Rebuttal to Dr. Michael Heiser’s “All I Want for Christmas is Another Flawed Nephilim Rebuttal”
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NOTE: my repetitiveness will become an issue in the follow-up to this post. I tend to do things such as this because I never know who will want to engage in discussing it, who will actually read the articles, who will ignore me and them, etc.
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The Metal Bible Podcast
Wrong [Num 13:33 NASB20] 33 “We also saw the Nephilim there (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”
True Freethinker
If you read the articles, especially the one about “…Flawed Nephilim…” you wouldn’t be merely asserting “Wrong” and merely posting one verse.
The Metal Bible Podcast
See? I can copy and paste my same comment too….
Wrong… [Num 13:33 NASB20] 33 “We also saw the Nephilim there (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”
True Freethinker
Friend, I already elucidated why your MO is fallacious. Now, we can play FB reply ping-pong for months but why not save ourselves some time: let’s have an iron sharpening iron discussion on your YT channel or mine?
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[NOTE: I never received a reply to that and followed up some weeks later nicely noting that I was still awaiting a reply]
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That brought the discussion to and end as no more replies were forthcoming.
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