“Skeptic Arena” Atheist claims “God doesn’t have any plans for helping you out” 3 of 9

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That which follows is a discussion I had with a certain Neo from the The (pseudo) Skeptic Arena with whom I have had many interactions all of which, including this parsed one, you can find here.

Picking up where we left off, Neo replied

Ken wrote:
Friend, I am afraid that you are thinking in circles as per that which sadly is your modus operandi which goes something like this:

That which follows is a discussion I had with a certain Neo from the The (pseudo) Skeptic Arena with whom I have had many interactions all of which, including this parsed one, you can find here.

Picking up where we left off, Neo replied

Ken wrote:
Friend, I am afraid that you are thinking in circles as per that which sadly is your modus operandi which goes something like this:
1) you jump to a conclusion based on presumptional assertions: generally beginning with a condemnation rather than working you way to one as a conclusion.
Ken, this was already explained to you.
Repeating a point on which you already got the [****] beat out of you does not magically make your point valid.
2) You are asked to “show your work” as math teachers used to tell us, that is to say: show how you reached your conclusion based on a justified premise.
Ken, you have been shown and blown.
Your refusal to accept that which you cannot refute only makes you look more clownish than you already are.
3) Then you merely repeat your presumptional assertions using different words and on it goes.
Ken, you are describing yourself.
The fact that you cannot see that, doesn’t make this funny … but tragic. If these emails get forwarded to a police dept., I’ll probably be arrested for cyber bullying.
You see, those preachers to whom it applies to they do not have to retort to you because you have not even claimed nor demonstrated why it is that anything they do is wrong.
Ken, show me where in my previous comments I said it was wrong. You can’t, can you?
In fact, I said they must be doing something right since God showers them with boatloads of blessings, while He looks down at your trailer to get a good bead on where you live … before emptying His colon.
As for me, I do not have to Google “Creflo Dollar” because a group of us Christians used to get together starting at about a decade ago in order to note that what he was doing was wrong and we could justify our condemnations of him—unlike yourself who cannot.
Ken, listen to yourself.
By your own admission, you have nothing better to do than sit around and bad-mouth other Christians who are more successful than you are.
Keep condemning your fellow Christians, Ken: that is so … Jesus of you.
Creflo has a jet – you have a moped.
No wonder you hate his guts.
He doesn’t have to beg for dollars on the internet; people gladly give him millions to fuel his jet. While you have been reduced to begging like this:
“If you can even spare $1.00 as a donation, please do so: it may not seem like much but … it would add up and really, really help.”
How utterly pathetic.
If I got off the freeway and you came up to me with that line, I probably would part with a dollar or two. It’s just odd that your God won’t.
Merely following up an unfounded presupposition by asserting that you have judged based on founded suppositions is just that: merely making another unfounded presuppositional assertion without justification.
Ken, are you trying to do an impression of a broken record?
Or are you just trying to distract everyone on the cc list from the fact that you are so amazingly unsuccessful as God’s disciple, that you are forced to humiliate yourself by begging for alms?
Dude, give me your address and I’ll have Amazon send a drone with some Christmas gifts for your family since it sounds like that’s the only way they’ll get anything this year.
It’s pretty obvious that God doesn’t have any plans for helping you out.
Ken … James 4:2 – give it a try; maybe you can change His opinion of you.
This is what you seem to be missing: you do not succeed in justifying your judgmental condemnations merely based on saying that you have done so without actually doing so, without actually showing your work—it is not about mind-reading but about reading your stated statements.
Ken, you’re droning on and on, repeating yourself over and over; maybe that’s why everyone prefers those charismatic shysters to someone like you who is less exciting than a ball of snot on the edge of the sidewalk.
But nice try.
Unfortunately, your attempt to distract everyone from the fact that you worship a murdering invisible monster has failed miserably, because the harder you try to avoid explaining how any moral human could worship such a hideous creature, the more I will remind them of why you are distracting them with this trivia.
Again, on another topic you merely presuppositional assert that you know that Rick Warren and Joel Osteen have been showers with blessings by God but you have not demonstrated this, you merely claim it, merely begin by concluding it.
Ken, it wasn’t my claim … it was theirs.
BOOM!
And Ken goes down!
Then, when you see that the Bible provides a premise for condemnation of such personages you utterly ignore it and jump contexts to a different verse.
Ken, it is incredibly stupid of you to try to use scripture in a debate, as you just found out to your utter embarrassment, because contradictory verses abound.
Trying to throw verses at someone, who knows the Bible far better than you ever will, can only lead to humiliation for you (as we have all just seen) which might be why your God doesn’t waste any money on you, but prefers to give His help and blessings to His more able salesmen, like Creflo.
That verse must have really fried your onions, huh? It’s a pretty clear verse. There are others just like it “Ask and ye shall receive.” Yet no matter how hard you pray, God blesses everybody in sight, except widdle Ken. That’s got to really hurt, huh? “God, why hast thou forsaken me ?”
And, by the way, if you think that “You do not have because you do not ask God” has something to do with money I would recommend that you actually read the text rather than jumping to conclusions about what a few un-contextual words mean according to the Neonian (mis)interpretation.”
Ken, why would it exclude money? Does it say to exclude money? Or are you just making that up because that verse climbed so far up your ass it’s blocking your gas? What do you think it means? Stocks? Bonds? And how do you know what it means? Did your invisible friend tell you? Where is your evidence to back up that it refers to something other than money? You don’t have any, do you?
According to all those successful preachers that you despise because of your uncontrollable jealousy, that is exactly what it refers to.
Why should we believe a loser like you who has to beg for money to feed his family rather than established megastars, whom God Himself obviously prefers?
Yours in Christ, neo

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Ken Ammi

Friend, once again you are repeating a pattern of that which is called “projection” whereby you apply to someone that which you yourself are doing.
Every time you contact me it is the very same pattern: you begin without a premise and jump to a conclusion, thus you have failed from the get go which means that you go nowhere and when I point this out you merely repeat your unfounded conclusions and then claim victory.
Your claim is that God is neglecting me because I could use some funds and you have been utterly unable to justify this—not to mention that justifying it would result in your admitting you believe in God.
Now, when I point out that you have not, I repeat not, “demonstrated why it is that anything they do is wrong” it is utterly illogical to ask me to show you where you have “said it was wrong. You can’t, can you?” No, I cannot because I pointed out that you did not. Thus, you merely made an observation and those uber wealthy preachers gaining their money in the way that they do is not wrong as per you—although it is wrong as per the Bible when and if they do it for that purpose.
Now, the difference between you and I, at least one of them, is that you sit around and bad-mouth Christians well, for whatever excuses you make for yourself. I sit around and point out how some Christians are violating biblical principles. You also imply that there is something wrong with me “condemning your fellow Christians” but, of course, you provide no premise upon which to condemn me for it: you are merely jumping to unfounded conclusions again. And the fact that you think I hate Creflo just shows that you are attempting to play mind reader again and projecting your emotive reactions upon me again.
As for James 4:2, I have already told you that “if you think that ‘You do not have because you do not ask God’ has something to do with money I would recommend that you actually read the text rather than jumping to conclusions about what a few un-contextual words mean according to the Neonian (mis)interpretation.” Thus, merely repeating your mistaken assertion again is just that, repeating it again.
Now, since the two verses to which we appealed are about utterly different topics it is illegitimate for you to claim that “contradictory verses abound”—and, of course, by referencing contradictions you are implying that there is some imperative to be logical, truthful and ethical but you have not provided a premise for any of it and your Atheism actually cannot do so.
But now I see why you misunderstand the Bible in such as obvious manner when you state “It’s a pretty clear verse.” Friend, I hope that you are aware of a few things: 1) verse divisions are not in the manuscripts, 2) 3/4 of church history knew nothing of such divisions, 3) verses have the deleterious effect of breaking complete thoughts into thought fragments and you are a prime example of this: you think that you understand the historical, cultural and grammatical thought behind a full statement/thought because you read a few words that were ripped from their context. This is illegitimate no matter if you are reading the Bible or the newspaper.
The only reason that I repeat myself over and over is because you commit the same fallacies time and again, I call you out on it time and again, you finally get tired of it, declare victory and stop replying—until the next time when you do they very same. “A fanatic is one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject”—Winston Churchill
Now, as for you coming back, once again, to condemning God as “a murdering invisible monster” you will recall that I have asked you time and time and time again and again and again to justify doing so, to provide a premise for doing so, and you have shown yourself to be unable to do so. This is where Atheism has left you: unable to even justify condemning in any but a merely emotive manner that which you consider to be murderous. And I have the very same experience time and again with one Atheist after another—about 4 of them within the past month alone—they, like you, jump to condemnatory conclusions, I ask for a premise, they lash out in anger, I ask for a premise again, they repeat their assertion in different words, I ask for a premise and they decide to stop replying.
One reason that moral humans worship He whom you subjectively and unfoundedly claim is a “hideous creature” is because you offer no premise upon which anyone would even think that God is as such. My question is why are you so upset about a being in whom you claim to not believe?
Lastly, I find it interesting that you would write, “Yours in Christ, neo” since as I proved to you that in referring to yourself as “Neo” you are referring to yourself as Jesus.

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