The Daystar site posted a Q&A under the title Angles, Giants, & The End Times with Rick Renner—see my other Renner related articles here.
Rick Renner notes that fallen Angels produced, “hybrid creatures…called Nephilim, and the earth became filled with violence because of these giants” which is an awkward statement since he merely asserted that they were well, whatever he means by, “giants.” Biblically contextually, “Nephilim, and the earth became filled with violence because of these giants” would mean, “Nephilim, and the earth became filled with violence because of these Nephilim” but then, why jump from a specific ancient Hebrew word to a vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word?
What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles?
What’s Renner’s usage?
Do those two usages agree?
We get some hint of the answer to the second key question when he stated, “we are told in Genesis 6:4” of whatever English version he’s reading, “that ‘giants’ were born to the women, and the word ‘giants’ is translated from the word nephilim, which comes from the verb nephal, meaning to fall.” Well, that’s not a translation, it’s a mere rendering and if, “‘giants’ is translated from the word nephilim” then he did mean, “Nephilim, and the earth became filled with violence because of these Nephilim” but then, why jump languages, why play the word-game?
Yet, he went on to emote, “these hybrid beings were monstrous giants” so he has referred to the same beings as Nephilim and giants and hybrid in just a few sentences—the reader just has to keep up.
He added, “God sent the Flood to purge the earth of this evil influence (see Genesis 6:4-13)” of fallen Angels and Nephilim. He also notes invented that Nephilim, “possessed unnatural strength” and that they, “propagated evil throughout the earth in the time before the Flood.”
Yet, he then notes, “how they reemerged after the Flood…One thing we know is that while God Himself rid the earth of these creatures initially by way of the Flood, He enabled and required that His people arise to resist and defeat them after the Flood.”
That is logically, bio-logically, and theo-logically incoherent. It’s exemplary of the folly of post-flood Nephilology, which is un-biblical by definition, and how it damages theology proper since now God failed, He missed a loophole, the flood was much of a waste, etc., etc., etc.
I mean, the very same preacher who just told us, “God sent the Flood to purge the earth of this evil” must have not been able to get the job done and mere humans had to do what God couldn’t do, “required that His people arise to resist and defeat them after the Flood” which is a mere assertion for which, of course, there’s literally zero reliable indication.
And that’s a very, very, very common post-flood Nephilology statement: make a statement about God’s actions, imply that He failed, and still be praised by Christians who are utterly obsessed with giants. How ever such teachers aren’t stopped dead in their heels when they pull such a shockingly incoherent stunt exposes a tragic weak failure in those who make a living off of selling such un-biblical tall-tales to Christians for a living and those Christians who enrich and defend such teachers of incoherence.
He is then asked, “How do you address the skepticism around the existence of giants in the Bible?” but the only substantive thing he replied was, “…Even secular writers across many cultures recorded insights on the fallen angels and their ‘giant’ offspring” which consistently must merely mean, “their ‘Nephilim’ offspring”—right?
He was asked, “In what ways do you think pre-Flood events foreshadow end-time events?” and pulls a very, very, very typical move in taking Jesus out of context to make a pretext for a prooftext, “In Matthew 24:37, Jesus said, ‘But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.’ According to Jesus, if we want to know what will occur in the days preceding the end of this age, we must see what was happening in the earth in the days before the Flood. Jesus prophesied that pre-Flood activities would be replicated again in some way as we race toward the end of this age. Not only do we need an understanding of the mutinous pre-Flood activities on the earth, but we must also understand the corresponding signs of the times in which we live. Yet the Lord has not left us without the answers we need both to understand events in history and to navigate the end-times victoriously.”
That’s essentially a non-answer. Jesus’ words, His emphasis, His points, His context, were:
Just as it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the Son of Man. They were eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.
But He kept speaking directly with:
Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot—they were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building, but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all—so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed (Luke 17).
Thus, this was about examples of being unaware/unconcerned about coming judgment.
And the Q&A ends with what else but end times/last days fear mongering along with the obligatory, “we must do our part to bring people safely into Christ in these last days!”
Now, keep in mind that in this interview, Rick Renner stated, “Noah and his family escaped the judgment that came upon the earth, and they did it through their trust in God and their obedience” and then he goes on to teach post-flood Nephilim.
FYI: I sent daystar an email stating:
Good day,
I pray I find you well.
I’m unsure who interviewed Rick Renner for the post, “Angles, Giants, & The End Times with Rick Renner” but how is it that whoever it was didn’t instantly stop Renner when he went from, “God sent the Flood to purge the earth of this evil influence (see Genesis 6:4-13)” of fallen Angels and Nephilim to, “they reemerged after the Flood.”
How could anyone with any regard for God and His Word not stop him and demand how it was that Renner, in this case via your site, is going to assert that God meant to purge them but He clearly failed, maybe missed a loophole, and the flood was much of a waste since they just came right back—by some unknown and un-biblical means.
How could you allow that to have been stated and then posted it on the WORLD WIDE web, mind you (do you realize how accountable you are for that damage to theology proper?) as if it’s no big deal?
Is there any accountability, any fact-checking, any quality assurance during such interviews or after them but before you publish to potentially the WORLD to see?
I received a reply merely stating:
Ken,
Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us.
Blessings,
Dr. Alan Bullock
I replied:
Thanks in turn. But note that I included two questions in the email.
Yet, no replies were forthcoming and so you can consider the Daystar cite to not be worth your time.
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