Reviewing “Giants In The Bible, And Around Here?”

I encountered a tweet by Rick Rahn which read as follows and so the following discussion ensued:

The Bible describes the Nephilim as giants that came about from the fallen angels taking human women as wives. I referred my wife to the report that our military found a corpse that was 11 to 15 foot tall in Iraq. She said he must have been a toddler!

Ken Ammi:
Technical note: The Bible doesn’t DESCRIBE the Nephilim as giants but some English versions use that word to render (not even translate) “Nephilim” which means fall/fallen but implies nothing of subjectively unusual height.
There’s no such “report”: that’s just an internet hoax.

Rick Rahn:
I suppose you never heard of Goliath and his brother?

Ken Ammi:
Why suppose that? Goliath, et al., were Rephaim, not Nephilim.

Rick Rahn:
You might find my research paper on giants interesting.

Ken Ammi:
Would you be interested in reading a review of it if I write and post one?

Rick Rahn:

And so, here we are sharpening iron with iron with a review of his article, “Giants In The Bible, And Around Here?”

The title refers to “Giants” and the first sentence does as well, but we will have to see to what he’s referring by that vague, generic, subjective, and multi-usage word (I can think of 5-6 definitions and usages).

He notes that some, “are afraid, because Jesus said in the end times it would be like ‘in the days of Noah’, and the Bible says there were giants in the land.” Now, we’re still dealing with an English word and Jesus was very specific about His context, meaning, and application and it had nothing to do with Nephilim (the “giants” to which he just referred).

Jesus likened His return to the days of Noah and also the days of Lot and did so for the same reason, “Just as it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the Son of Man. They were eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot—they were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building, but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all—so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed” (Luke 17:26-30).

Thus, Jesus’ own point was warning against going on business as usual whilst being unaware and/or unconcerned with coming judgment.

Now, as for “Giants…Around Here?,” he quotes the plagiarist Steve Quayle who makes a living spinning tall tales—and whose claims I reviewed in my book Nephilim And Giants As Per Pop-Researchers—who claim, “the vast history of giants…has, for the most part, been kept from the public” and appeals to “their skeletal remains” as “Proof of giants’ existence” even though they have “been quickly secreted away in obscure museums, when not destroyed”—which makes you think how he knows that.

In any case, the article then displays Joe Taylor’s famous chart of giant skeletons. In my book Nephilim and Giants: Believe It or Not! Ancient and Neo-Theo-Sci-Fi Tall Tales, I review the chart and conclude that the only accurate part of it is the size of the average modern skeleton.

When Rahn writes that “the best known giant in the world would be Goliath” we must understand him to be, biblically, saying, “the best known” Repha, “in the world would be Goliath” and that he’s implying unusual height. Well, he was unusually tall: subjective to the average Israelite male who in those days was 5.0-5.3 ft. Also, most reliably (as per the LXX, Dead Sea Scrolls, and Flavius Josephus) he was four cubits and a spam/just shy of 7 ft.

We are then provided a list of “36 tribes of giants,” namely:

Amalekites, Amorites, Anakims, Ashdothites, Aviums, Avites, Canaanites, Caphtorims, Ekronites, Emins, Eshkalonites, Gazathites, Geshurites, Gibeonites, Giblites, Girgashites, Gittites, Hittites, Hivites, Horims, Horites, Jebusites, Kadmonites, Kenites, Kenizzites, Maachathites, Manassites, Nephilim, Perizzites, Philistines, Rephaims, Sidonians, Zamzummins, Zebusites, and the Zuzims.

Now, this list includes tribes for which we have zero physical descriptions, tribes of which they only physical description we have is (subjectively) tall, and a tribe, Nephilim, for whom we have no reliable physical description.

Thus, the list is not of 36 tribes of giants.

Also, the list includes Rephaim but also Anakim, Zamzummim, and Philistines. Now, Anakim are a Rephaim subgroup and Zamzummim is just an aka for Rephaim. Moreover, Philistine is a reference to locale. Thus, for example, Goliath was a Repha or the Anakim and a Philistine: tribe, clan, dwelling location.

Thus, the list is not even of 36 tribes.

We are also told, “There are also 22 individual Giants mentioned, by name,” namely: Adonizedec, Agag, Ahiman, Amalek, Arba, Beelesath, Gog, Magog, Gogmagog, Goliath, Hoham, Horam, Jabin, Jobab, Lahmi, Nimrod, Og, Ogias, Perizzites, Sheshai, Sihon, Sippai, and Talmai.

Please pardon me for not looking up each one of these (especially since no citations were provided) but off the top of my head we have no physical description of any of these gents, except for Goliath, so we can’t rightly call them giants.

Rahn directs us to “an intriguing verse showing this biblical reality and, exclusively, quotes one verse from Numbers 13, v. 33, which he quotes thusly, “And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.” He comments, “And these were after the flood.”

Yet, by only quoting one single verse, he fails to interact with the narrative and so does not note that he’s actually appealing to a statement made by unfaithful, disloyal, contradictory, embellishers who made those mere assertions within an evil report for which God rebuked them: no one should believe them.

Perhaps due to transliteration reasons, he claims, “The word Nephilim does not appear in the Bible, nor any Hebrew pronunciation of any words translated in the Bible. But the word Nĕphiyl, pronounced Nepheel does in the first mention of Giants in Genesis 6:4” but that verse actually refer to Nĕphiylim—this was just a side note.

He then, again, appeals to Numbers 13:33 and adds, “These giants were apparently the original giants spawned by the Gregori, the giant angels who mated with human females.”

Gregori aka Grigori aka Egregoroi is a term from 1 Enoch/Ethiopic Enoch (which dates from millennia after the Torah—and contradicts the Bible, a lot: see my book In Consideration of the Book(s) of Enoch) yet, I am unaware that they are described as “giant angels.”

For some reason, Rahn then repeats, without further comment, “There are also 22 individual Giants mentioned, by name” (and, FYI, Rahn: the link is dead).

We then, and finally, get an insight into what he means by giant when he refers to “The serpent mound is near Portsmouth, Ohio,” tells us that they, “contained the bones of giants over eight feet tall” and so “the Ohio Valley was inhabited by a race of giants.”

Sadly, he did not provide any citations.

But that was, somewhere, “near Portsmouth” but he goes on to specify, “at least one burial mound has been reconstructed” somewhere, “in Adams County, Ohio” and “In the nineteenth century, several” uncited, “published accounts of excavations verified that many of the giants were over eight feet and some nine feet tall and each had a double row of teeth.”

One citation he does provide is, “In 1883, an article appeared in the journal, Scientific American” wherein a Native was asked about “these ancient graveyards” and replied, “Me know nothing about them. They were here before the red man.”

Native tales of interacting with White, red haired giants seem to be cultural memories of interacting with Vikings.

Another citation is, “In 1872, the Historical Collections of Noble County Ohio (p. 350,351)” which reported, “three skeletons whose size would indicate they measured in life at least eight feet in height” and exhibited, “double teeth in front as well as in back of mouth and in both upper and lower jaws” yet, sadly (conveniently?) “Upon exposure to the atmosphere the skeletons crumbled back to mother earth.”

He also tells us of a “Giant Skeleton found in Adams County, Ohio” but the only evidence he provides are two faked photos.

Another attempted citation is about “A recent archaeological dig has unearthed no less than two dozen skeletons of giant proportions near the ancient ruins of Rujm el-Hiri, located in the Golan Heights, a contested area claimed by both Syria and Israel” but the link is also dead. But, Rahn my friend, what World News Daily Report states about itself is, “Information contained in this World News Daily Report website is for information and entertainment purposes only” and refer to “the satirical nature of its articles” and “fictional nature of their content,” plus, their “Trademark and Copyright” statement reads, “Copyright 2016 © New World Order Media” (see here and here).

This is the same outfit that hoaxed the gullible with regards to the Smithsonian and the Supreme Court, see my article Did the Supreme Court prove that the Smithsonian destroyed giant skeletons?—which I ended up using in my book Nephilim and Giants: Believe It or Not! Ancient and Neo-Theo-Sci-Fi Tall Tales.

Rahn then tells us that a certain Luigi Muscas told him that “on his property near Cagliari, Sardinia” there were “tombs and artifacts of giants (15 foot tall beings)” and that “He has been told over and over to keep this secret and NOT talk to the general public” so Rahn decided to publish his name and location on the world wide web—go figure.

He accompanied this with another faked photo.

He then gets back to the Bible in telling us that it, verified, “the definite existence of giants” and that “The earliest appearance of giants occurs just before the flood of Noah’s documentation” which is not the case because Gen 6 provides no physical description of them. He appears to be reading all the way to Num 13 and then using one single verse to then loop back to Gen 6 and add to what it states—an addition that should never be made since it’s unreliable.

He also says, “Considering the detail added by Enoch” referring to 1 Enoch/Ethiopic Enoch, which was not written by the actual Enoch, “in his accounting of the pre-flood giants, we learn that the flood was caused to rid the Earth of these giant hybrids.”

Now, that text has Nephilim as having been many miles tall which is great folklore but poor reality.

But did you note that, “the flood was caused to rid the Earth of” Nephilim but he told us that the Num 13:33 Nephilim “were after the flood” which implies that God failed: He meant to rid the Earth of” Nephilim but couldn’t get the job done.

He then provides two more faked photos.

Rahn has a free-floating comment that reads, “giants under Athens” under which is another dead link to

He then assert, “8 Foot Ancient Giant Human Skeleton Discovered in Cayuga County, New York” but that’s just followed by another faked photo and a photo that’s actually from South Africa (near Mpuluzi), featuring Michael Tellinger.

He then circles back to assertions about Natives regarding, “real giants roamed this land; giant red-haired humans” and that “Buffalo Bill Cody was presented with the ‘bones of one of these giants’ by the Pawnee” but, of course, neither we, nor Cody, nor the Natives know if those bones were of whales, dinosaurs, pachyderm, etc.

He accompanied this with a generic link to various images, including illustrations, of cryptids

He also posted an illustration of what is apparently a Native giant and a still from the sci-fi/fantasy movie Troll Hunter.

He doesn’t seem to realize that’s from a movie and to quotes, someone and without citation, “It is believed that this is the only photo in existence of the Great Norwegian Mountain Troll. It was taken in December 1942 by the crew of an RAF recon flight.”

This is accompanied by a link to an utterly random combo of images

Rahn also posted an image of part of a National Geographic magazine cover with the word “Unearthing the GIANT” and “How we uncovered the legendary myth” about you can read their article Find Out How the Giant Skeleton Hoax Started.

Also, he wrote, “In 2007 National Geographic reported the finding of a dozen Cyclops skeletons found in Greece that stood 12-15.5 …” I know not about 2007 but in 2003 Nat Geo posted Cyclops Myth Spurred by ‘One-Eyed’ Fossils? which refers to that, “fossils fuel speculation that Greek tales may have been inspired by ancient skulls…may have been the fossils of giant prehistoric animals.” Specifically noted is, “The tusk, several teeth, and some bones of a Deinotherium giganteum, which, loosely translated means really huge terrible beast, have been found on the Greek island Crete. A distant relative to today’s elephants, the giant mammal stood 15 feet (4.6 meters) tall at the shoulder, and had tusks that were 4.5 feet (1.3 meters) long.” Thus, the reference to such a height was to pachyderm.

That “Skulls of Deinotherium giganteum,” and all pachyderm, features, “an extremely large nasal opening in the center of the skull” ancients, who were not anatomists, misinterpreted a single eye socket.

He also posted an image that includes a photo of the Martindale giant mummy that was actually as tall as the more reliable height for Goliath: shy of 7 ft.—and it looks great when photographed by relatively short guys next to it.

He also provided a photo he describes as, “Sumerian tablet with seated giant king. How tall might this king be if he stood up?” Well, I know not but he was apparently much larger than the star/sun he’s weighing—or whatever he’s doing.

He tells us, “49 Giant skeletons unearthed in Pittsburgh – Mound Builders were Nephilim?” along with another faked photo.

But now, let’s be honest skeptics: I keep saying faked photos but am willing to take that back in return for specifics about where they were taken, from what archeological digs, etc.

He ends with, “There are many Bible researchers interested in the Nephelim. Some good people to consult in this matter are, Thomas Horn, Steve Quayle, Cris Putnam and L.A. Marzulli.” Thus, he ends by directing us to some of the least reliable people making a living off of spinning tall tales—see my book Nephilim and Giants As Per Pop-Researchers.

Again, this was meant to sharpen iron with iron and I’ll be more then pleased to be corrected on any of it in that spirit.

See my various books, various on Nephilology and giantology, here.

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