Question: “Is it possible that some of the Nephilim could have left Earth before Noah’s flood ever took place?”

To the subject Quora site question, Nick James replied:

Is it possible that some of the Nephilim could have left Earth before Noah’s flood ever took place?
Yes, totally reasonable idea. After all, it is fiction, so you can claim whatever you want if you can support the story. It just has to be good enough to get printed.
In the real world…
there was never a global flood
Noah did not build an Ark
Nephilim were a figment of imagination, too
Spaceships had not been invented to leave Earth with because, y’know, the bible tells you Earth is flat. And there is some magical dome called the firmament. And the moon is a NASA hologram projection

I, Ken Ammi, replied:

Friend, “it is fiction…there was never a global flood. Noah did not build an Ark. Nephilim were a figment of imagination, too…the bible tells you Earth is flat, etc. are positive affirmations so you must prove them.
You also imply that adhering to “the real world” is a universal imperative as a hidden assumption but how so, on your worldview?

Nick James:

“are positive affirmations so you must prove them.”. You seem to have missed the critical point that all these things come out of a single widely discredited book of stories made up to sell a religion. As your religion is making these ridiculous claims, you should be proving them. In 2,000 years that has not happened – still running on ‘belief’.
What does the entertaining word salad of your second paragraph actually mean?

Ken Ammi:

So, to review, I noted the fact that you made positive affirmations so you must prove them and you are running away since you are incapable of doing so. The simple solution is to stop positively affirming things you can’t prove.
What I noted is that “You also imply that adhering to ‘the real world’ is a universal imperative” as in something that humans must do, that doing so it an ought, etc.
Yet, you do so “as a hidden assumption” so the question was “but how so, on your worldview?”

Nick James:

The problem you have, Ken, is that dogma, assertion and circular reasoning are your only tools. The childish ‘science’ that’ you claim only serves to undermine any argument that you put up.
Bottom line, son, is that you are trying to support a 1st century story book with 1st century story lines written with illiterate desert goat herders in mind. In the 21st century, science blows out of the water almost all of the claims. The unsupportable claims made are one of the reasons that religions restricted access to the bible for 15 centuries – only the initiated (aka ‘brain washed’) were allowed access when they were too far in to object. Back then, the users guide was expected to be believed as 100% accurate. Today, that is just a charade and it is obviously not true.
Just remember that science does not claim to have all the answers, unlike your rag-bag of a religion. Science may never give you The Ultimate Answer, but you don’t want it anyway. You just like your comfort blanket the way it is.

Ken Ammi:

Friend, it’s as if you’re literally incapable of dealing with the actual issues, the underlying issues, the meta issues, your hidden assumptions, etc.
Thus, let me put it this way as a way to provide you even more examples of your mere jumps to merely asserted conclusions.
“dogma, assertion and circular reasoning are your only tools” that’s not only embarrassingly demonstrably inaccurate but you merely assert something is wrong with that (momentarily granting that’s what I did) without bothering to say how or why on your worldview. Thus, since you’re merely expressing emotively subjective personal opinions, your likes du jour, then you discredit yourself.
You merely assert that science “only serves to undermine any argument that” I “put up” without bothering to say how or why nor how it matters on your worldview. Thus, since you’re merely expressing emotively subjective personal opinions, your likes du jour, then you discredit yourself.
FYI: most of the Bible goes well beyond the 1st century into BC times. Can you show me one bit of evidence that the Bible was written with “illiterate desert goat herders in mind” (which is a genetic logical fallacy, BTW, not that it matters on Atheism)? But what does that matter since you merely imply there’s something wrong with that without bothering to say how or why nor how it matters on your worldview. Thus, since you’re merely expressing emotively subjective personal opinions, your likes du jour, then you discredit yourself.
You merely assert that “21st century, science blows out of the water almost all of the claims” and “unsupportable claims” and condemn alleged brain washing (prejudicially painting with a broad broom, I see—not that it matters on Atheism) and “just a charade and it is obviously not true” without bothering to say how or why nor how it matters on your worldview. Thus, since you’re merely expressing emotively subjective personal opinions, your likes du jour, then you discredit yourself.
I mean have you never actually pondered the implications of your worldview—even after I’ve begged you to do so?
You say “obviously not true” from a worldview which implies that truth is accidental, as is our ability to discern it, there’s no universal imperative to adhere to it, nor to expect/demand that others adhere to it. Thus, since you’re merely expressing emotively subjective personal opinions, your likes du jour, then you discredit yourself.
Actually “science does not claim” anything: that’s just a reification fallacy (not that it matters on Atheism) and I’m unaware of any “religion” that claims to “have all the answers.”
You assert that I “don’t want” “The Ultimate Answer” so you discredit yourself by playing mind reader.
So, to re-review, I noted the fact that you made positive affirmations so you must prove them and you are running away since you are incapable of doing so. The simple solution is to stop positively affirming things you can’t prove.
What I noted is that “You also imply that adhering to ‘the real world’ is a universal imperative” as in something that humans must do, that doing so it an ought, etc.
Yet, you do so “as a hidden assumption” so the question was “but how so, on your worldview?”

Nick James:

Oh my, another Ken Ammi sermon proclaiming “that’s a positive affirmation, you must prove it”. I call bullsh*t on that. The entire list of things is just another collection of pseudo-facts from a religious marketing guide with a single source, all of which have nothing (i.e. zero facts) to back them up. No geological, biological or archaeological corroboration whatsoever. (Unless you are a creationist. Are you a creationist? I think we should be told.)
Health and sanity? I guess your pastor told you not to get a COVID-19 vaccination, too.

Ken Ammi:

So, just to double check, you grant yourself the right to make positive affirmations which you are incapable of proving, is that right?
Fascinatingly, “pseudo-facts” is implied by Atheism which implies that reality ergo truth ergo facts are accidental ergo you’ve no premise upon which to condemn supposed “religious marketing” or allegedly lacking “a single source,” etc.
Of course I’m a creationist? Do you hold to an accidental universe (and thus, all it contains such as life, thoughts, etc.)? I think we should be told.
No, I don’t go to my pastor about such issues. Why, do you go to pop-Atheists for such?
But that was just undercooked red herring on your part (not that it matters on Atheism) since I noted, “you don’t bother saying why, on your worldview, we should opt for health and sanity but, again, you merely assert that as well” but you ran away from that as well.
Doesn’t it bother you that your worldview is such a fundamental failure that it leaves you utterly incapable of having an intelligent discussion so that you just keep on replying by being a childish jerk?

Nick James:

Hi Ken – nice to hear from you again – I thought you had left. I take it you are only allowed internet access once a week?

Ken Ammi:

Avoidance tactic detected.

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