Having posted Pastor Troy Brewer on Goliath as half-man Nephilim, I thought to review more of his relevant teachings and ran across a set of sermon notes titled REVELATION REPORT: Aliens & Nephilim.
The notes ask and answer, “WHERE DO WE FIND ALIENS IN SCRIPTURE?” and quotes Revelation 16:13-14 thusly:
And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon (China), out of the mouth of the beast (anti-christ), and out of the mouth of the false prophet (false prophet/Pope). 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
If you missed the alien reference well, you’re certainly not alone.
The notes elucidate:
THE “FROGS” JOHN TALKED OF SOUND LIKE “LITTLE GREEN MEN”…
The Pale Horse of the Apocalypse “chloros” or sickly green…
MANY WHO CALL ON THE NAME OF JESUS HAVE HAD THESE “LITTLE GRAY MEN” DISAPPEAR UPON HEARING THE NAME.
Note the utterly subjective nature of that, “THE ‘FROGS’ JOHN TALKED OF SOUND,” to Pastor Troy Brewer, “LIKE ‘LITTLE GREEN MEN.’” Yet, I’m unsure how frogs sound like men.
But we see that the subjectivism is even worse in that, clearly, Brewer is debilitatingly myopically only imagining green frogs when, after all, frogs come in a tremendous variety of colors.
Also, what frogs, of any color, have to do with, “LITTLE GRAY MEN” is certainly a mystery.
It’s hard to believe that a pastor would actually pass that off as a sermon.
Of course, the key text is Rev 16:13, “I saw, coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs” and the, “like” there is juicy since it allows tellers of such sci-fi tall-tales to again debilitatingly myopically only imagine reptilian-like aliens when, after all, supposed aliens supposedly come in a tremendous supposed variety of colors.
Yet, since they were, “like” frogs but we’re not told how so then why fixate on color or reptilian and not some other feature?
Pastor Troy Brewer has a note that reads, “‘AS IT WAS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH’ – So Jesus warned his disciples in the book of Matthew” and that is one of the most abused verses by pop-Nephilologists. Yet, Brewer rightly has it that it was about, “Lackadaisical attitude of humanity despite the destruction looming in the future.” Yet, he followed directly with, “Hybridization of humanity during the Days of Noah” which has nothing to do with it: yes, it has to do with the days of Noah but not with the aspect of those days to which Jesus referred.
Jesus’ words, His emphasis, His points, His context, were:
But He kept speaking directly with:
“Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot—they were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building, but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all—so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed” (Luke 17).
The notes continue thusly, “Sons of God – ‘Watchers’ 72 angels (possibly more) put in charge of stewarding nations to help mankind” well, he’s getting the term Watchers from Second Temple Ear which is centuries, if not millennia, after the Torah—but hey, it’s the cool, hip way of referring to them, especially due to the Bible contradicting folklore in 1 Enoch, see my book In Consideration of the Book(s) of Enoch.
Pastor Troy Brewer notes, “BOOK OF ENOCH HAS GREAT INFORMATION ON WATCHERS. WAS PART OF KING JAMES 1611 BIBLE, BUT WAS MYSTERIOUSLY TAKEN OUT IN THE 1800s.” Well, it has folkloric information, it was never part of any KJV, and so it wasn’t taken out.
Next up is the Q&A, “WHERE DO WE FIND GIANTS IN the Bible?” Well, unless he tells us to what, to whom, he’s referring then this will be a rookie mistake: chasing an English word around a Hebrew Bible and just mashing together the results regardless of context.
What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles?
What’s Brewer’s usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants”?
Let’s see if we can discern the answers from the notes.
First up he quotes, “Numbers 13:33 – There we saw the giants (the descendants of Anak came from the giants); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”
I certainly hope that he elucidated to his flock that he was appealing to one sentence from an, “evil report” by 10 unreliable guys whom God rebuked—likely not since this is another of the utterly abused texts by pop-Nephilologists.
Their assertion is illogical, ill-bio-logical, and ill-theo-logical, see my post Chapter sample: On the Post Flood Nephilim Proposal.
The next note is, “GOD COMMANDS JOSHUA TO WIPE OUT EVEN WOMEN, CHILDREN AND ANIMALS IN CANAAN (Deut 20:16-18; Josh 6:21; 8:25).” I devoted an entire chapter of my book What Does the Bible Say About Giants and Nephilim? A Styled Giantology and Nephilologyto this issue and the fact is that God told us many times why He (hyperbolically) commanded such things but never said one single word about Nephilim—not relation to them.
In fact, Pastor Troy Brewer went on to quote Deut 20:16-18 which proves my point and doesn’t add anything to his assertion, “But of the cities of these peoples which the Lord your God gives you as an inheritance, you shall let nothing that breathes remain alive(even animals) 17 but you shall utterly destroy them: the Hittite and the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Perizzite and the Hivite and the Jebusite, just as the Lord your God has commanded you, 18 lest they teach you to do according to all their abominations which they have done for their gods, and you sin against the Lord your God.”
So, “WHERE DO WE FIND GIANTS IN the Bible?” after all?
Well, another note proports to list, “GIANTS IN THE BIBLE” and here’s that list:
Numbers 13; Deuteronomy 1, 2, 9; Joshua 11, 14, 15 & 21; Judges 1:20 – Anak, sons of Anak and Anakim –– GIANTS, NEPHILIM
Deuteronomy 3:13 – Bashan is the “Land of Giants”
Deuteronomy 3:11 – King Og of Bashan’s bed was nine cubits by four cubits or 13×6 feet.
David killed Goliath, a giant over 13 feet tall. He and his mighty men wiped the rest of the giants off the face of the earth.
We already saw that Num 13 is irrelevant since it was just a fear-mongering, scare-tactic, tall-tale.
He cited Deut 1 but seems to have failed to notice that therein, Moses relates the Num 13:32-33 event and mentions the Anakim but not Nephilim—why would he fail to mention the (supposedly allegedly) most notable personages on the planet? Well, he’s too practical, he’s concerned about the real dangers on the ground, not about some tall-tale—and note that the LXX for that key verse in Num doesn’t mention Anakim.
I’m unsure how Deut 2 is about, “GIANTS” unless Brewer uses that term to refer to anyone who is, “tall” (“giants” and, “tall” are both vague, generic, subjective, and multi-usage). That text only tells us that Rephaim, by any other name, were, on average, “tall” which is subjective to the average Israelite male who was 5.0-5.3 ft. in those days.
Deut 9 merely notes that Anakim were, “tall”: and they were a subgroup of Rephaim: like a clan of a tribe.
And well, we know that the rest are just about “Anak, sons of Anak and Anakim” as per the notes and none ever tell us anything more contextually relevant than that they were subjectively, “tall.” Yet, the notes follow that with, “GIANTS, NEPHILIM” so there you have it: the answer to the second key question is that Pastor Troy Brewer’s usage is something utterly vaguely generic about being taller than average. That means that the answer to the third key question is, “No.” That’s because the answer to the first question is that it merely renders (doesn’t even translate) “Nephilim” in 2 verses or “Repha/im” in 98% of all others and so never even hints at anything to do with any sort of height whatsoever.
He also ends up asserting that Anakim were Nephilim but, of course, that’s only based on one single sentence from exclusively non-LXX versions of an, “evil report” by 10 unreliable guys whom God rebuked: would you based any other all-encompassing theory upon such a source?
As for, “Land of Giants”: he seems unaware that the statement is that it was a land of Rephaim.
I’m unsure what a bed has to do with anything, especially when we’ve no physical description of Og. Well, firstly, he was a Repha, not a Nephil, and that we can calculate his height based on his bed is multitudinously based on mere assumptions: the, “bed” was a ritual object, not something upon which he slept, see my book The King, Og of Bashan, is Dead: The Man, the Myth, the Legend—of a Nephilim Giant?
As for Goliath, he’s being myopic in that he fails to note that the Masoretic text has him at just shy of 10 ft. (not, “over 13”).Yet, the earlier LXX and the earlier Dead Sea Scrolls and the earlier Flavius Josephus all have him at just shy of 7 ft. (compared to the average Israelite male who was 5.0-5.3 ft. in those days) so that’s the preponderance of the earliest data.
As for, “wiped the rest of the giants off the face of the earth” well, since he referred to Nephilim and Rephaim and subjectively unusual height: just to what, to whom, is he referring at this point? Well, they were fighting Rephaim, et al., but not Nephilim—and height was a non-issue.
The notes then take a turn towards:
ARE ALIENS REALLY FALLEN ANGELS & THEIR DEMON OFFSPRING, THE NEPHILIM…
THE BOOK OF DANIEL MAY HAVE A CLUE. REMEMBER NEBUCHADNEZZAR’S DREAM OF THE GIANT STATUE WITH FEET OF IRON & CLAY MIXED? CHECK THIS OUT:
Daniel 2:40-43 – And the fourth kingdom shall be as strong as iron, inasmuch as iron breaks in pieces and shatters everything; and like iron that crushes, that kingdom will break in pieces and crush all the others. 41 Whereas you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; yet the strength of the iron shall be in it, just as you saw the iron mixed with ceramic clay. 42 And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile. 43 As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay.
Is Daniel talking about the demonic trying once again to mix with humans? Could he be talking about technology?
Note how easily it may be for some to slip on the glove that Pastor Troy Brewer is holding open for them: ponder reading Daniel as a stand alone text versus reading it with Brewer’s premise and conclusion sandwiching it.
Firstly, there’s no such thing as, “FALLEN ANGELS & THEIR DEMON OFFSPRING” since Nephilim weren’t demons—fallen Angels are demons but in a latter roundabout manner, see my article Demons Ex Machina: What are Demons?
What you need to, “CHECK…OUT” is that he’s basing an all-encompassing theory upon a few words. There’s no context in that chapter nor in the entire book of Daniel to force-fit, “ALIENS” or, “NEPHILIM.” I also devoted an entire chapter to this in my Nephilology/Giantology book and Daniel was just tells us of two people groups that would do commerce together but won’t intermarry.
So, no, there’s no room there for neo-theo sci-fi tall-tales.
It’s fairly stunning that a pastor could have this sentence in sermon notes, “God detested and destroyed Satan’s hybrid race with a flood, then later, when the armies of Israel moved into the Promised Land they were told to kill them all.”
Follow the (il)logic:
1) “God detested and destroyed Satan’s hybrid race with a flood”—ergo, that would be the end of them.
2) Yet, “later, when the armies of Israel moved into the Promised Land they were told to kill them all.”
So then, God failed, missed a loophole, the flood was much of a waste, etc., etc., etc.
How else could it be that He flooded the entire planet to destroy them but then well, the next thing you know they’re back and humans have to do what God failed to do?
He then asked, “Why?” that was the case and replies, “They were no longer human—part demon” but that was about, “when the armies of Israel moved into the Promised Land” and there’s literally zero reliable indication of any such thing and only one unreliable sentence’s worth of indication that there was—so, who do we believe: Moses, Caleb, Joshua, God, the rest of the whole entire Bible or 10 unreliable guys whom God rebuked?
Pastor Troy Brewer’s other answer is, “Tainted DNA & blood (that’s why bloodlines are a big deal in the Bible)” but there’s not a single indication that anything post-flood had to do with bloodlines.
We’re then told, “WHEN HUMAN PART OF NEPHILIM DIED IN THE FLOOD, THE SUPERNATURAL PART OF THEM DID NOT DIE. THEY BECAME DISEMBODIED SPIRITS—DEMONS—LOOKING FOR A HOST BODY.” Yet, that’s a mere un-biblical assertion based on folklore from centuries, if not millennia, after the Torah.
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