Nephilim discussion with some jerks on Goliath being a quasi-divine giants, 6 of 9

Continuing a discussion that took place during a live chat to a video by Rob Rowe, with whom I have had a discussion (see this video).

 

Picking up where we left off in the previous segment.

 

Rev. Elation @Ken Ammi

you aren’t interacting with the scripture given. you need to interact with the scripture or its implication. then you switch to what you think is a mic drop. and that doesn’t work here

 

Chaos Kampf

You ignored the data. You have a severe cognitive dissonance.

 

Ken Ammi @Brendan O’Brien

Heiser wrote an article due to how many people were getting on his case for consistently failing to interact with the narrative of Num 13.

 

Rev. Elation @Ken Ammi

scroll up and look at the passages chaos posted

 

Chaos Kampf

You are unbelievably delusional.

 

Ken Ammi @Rev. Elation

That is verifiable inaccurate, I’ve replied to every text that was been cited or quoted to me.

 

Ken Mc Cracken

It is difficult to interpret Brendan but I think Michael’s view creates more problems than it solves.

 

Interestingly, I have said virtually the same thing about how Heiser deals with certain issues.

 

Rev. Elation @Ken Ammi

then look at what the experts in the different fields say about the context of the passages. be a good student first. understand your opponents argument or you will never be wise.

 

Brendan O’Brien @Ken Ammi

I have not read that particular article but will check it out

 

Chaos Kampf

Please read Amar Annus, Nicholas Wyatt, and Mary R. Bachvarova.

 

Ken Ammi @Rev. Elation

Scroll up and see that I noted to Chaos that none of those texts refer to Nephilim. I wrote a whole book reviewing what the experts say, another on what Bible commentaries say, another on what Bible dictionaries & encyclopedias say—to name a few.

 

Brendan O’Brien @Ken Ammi

You agree that Anakim are a reference to descendants of Nephilim correct??

 

Chaos Kampf

So the Anakim in Deut 2:10 and 1:28 have nothing to do with the Anakim of Numbers 13:33

 

Ken Ammi @Brendan O’Brien

Anakim are CLAIMED to be that by utterly unreliable people whom God rebuked.

 

Rev. Elation @sentinelapologetics

these guys are anti-nephilim trolls

 

Brendan O’Brien @Ken Ammi

What is the derivation of the Anakim reference?

 

Ken Ammi @Rev. Elation

What guys?

 

Chaos Kampf

MOSES CONFIRMS THEIR HEIGHT IN DEUT 2:10, 11, 21

 

Rev. Elation @Ken Ammi

you and the other kjv Plain reading young earth hovindites

 

Ken Ammi @Brendan O’Brien

In Num 13:33? Unfaithful, disloyal, contradictory, embellishing spies whom God rebuked.

 

Chaos Kampf

Except Moses doesn’t contradict their report, and affirms their height in Deut 2:10,11,21

 

Ken Ammi @Rev. Elation

How am I anti-Nephilim when I’ve published various books affirming that the Bible teaches us about their existence?

 

Brendan O’Brien

Deut 2:10 and 1:28

 

Ken Ammi @Brendan O’Brien

Note that, that chapter [I meant “those chapters”] does not state a single word about Nephilim.

 

Rev. Elation @Ken Ammi

wow various books. self publishing is fun right?

 

Brendan O’Brien

How do you interpret Anakim?? What else can it refer to?

 

Ken Ammi @Rev. Elation

Please repent.

 

Rev. Elation @Ken Ammi

So your point here is to say that they were regular people? that nothing fishy was with them? that takes various books?

 

Chaos Kampf

oh dear

 

Ken Ammi @Brendan O’Brien

Anakim are a subgroup of Rephaim.

 

Chaos Kampf

I’ve read experts too. Maybe you read into them?

 

Brendan O’Brien @Ken Ammi

Who can all be traced to the Nephilim bloodline

 

Ken Ammi @Rev. Elation

You repenting from being a worldly jerk, just like Chaos Kampf, is more important than arguing about books, etc.

 

Rev. Elation @Ken Ammi

yes. I repent for not following the verse from proverbs about arguing with a fool. I did the verse right next to it. thanks for the reminder.

 

Well, that was the end of me replying to the Rev. and like they say about ignoring bullies: it only makes them angrier. Yet, that is their problem, their responsibility, mine was to remain graceful.

 

Ken Ammi @Brendan O’Brien

How so?

 

Chaos Kampf

Yes, who are Nephilim, by courtesy of the report given in Numbers 13:33 and the corroborative report given by Moses in Deut 2:10, 11 and 21

 

Like I have said 1,001 times: the entire post-flood Nephilim theory is literally based on one single verse and one verse that is then turned into a worldview-hermeneutic whereby other texts are then misread, misunderstood, misinterpreted, misapplied, etc.

 

Rev. Elation @Ken Ammi

did you also write various books on repentance?

 

Chaos Kampf

Ken. you are a prime example of the Dunning Kruger effect. Please repent of your deceitful exegesis.

 

Ken Ammi @Sentinel Apologetics

Can you please tell Chaos Kampf to actually moderate so as to keep people on track with discussing issues rather than making worldly personal attacks?

 

Rev. Elation @Ken Ammi

NARC

 

Rev. Elation @Ken Ammi

tattling to the teacher. dude his name is chaos what do u expect. with your name it makes sense, cuz you’re not giving any AMMO that’s for sure

 

Brendan O’Brien @Ken Ammi

See Deut 2:8-2:23 for instance – I’ve never seen anyone dispute the connections between the Rephaim and Anakim even if you interpret that they were not present at the time of the invasion

 

Brendan O’Brien

There’s nothing else the names could be referring to – clearly not a random subgroup of Amorites

 

Ken Ammi @Brendan O’Brien

I just affirmed the connections between the Rephaim and Anakim: I am disputing the pseudo connection between Anakim or any Rephaim and Nephilim.

 

Brendan O’Brien @Ken Ammi

So it’s your position the Rephaim/Anakim are just random sub-taxonomies of Amorites

 

Ken Ammi @Brendan O’Brien

No, just that they are unrelated to Nephilim.

 

Brendan O’Brien

From where do they originate???

 

Ken Ammi @Brendan O’Brien

Rephaim? We are not told, as far as I know.

 

Ken Ammi

General FYI: In my book “The Scholarly Academic Nephilim and Giants” I review the claims of Amar Annus, Michael Heiser, et al.

 

Brendan O’Brien

I think it’s fairly obvious, particularly when the texts are interpreted and read together in their original languages

 

Chaos Kampf

Okay but are you credentialed enough to tackle their positions? I would be interested to see you interact with Nicholas Wyatt’s work.

 

Maybe I will some day, maybe I will.

 

We will pick up from here in the next segment.

 

For more details, see my books about Angles, demons, Nephilim, “giants,” etc.

 

 

 

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