Nephilim discussion with some jerks on Goliath being a quasi-divine giants, 2 of 9

Continuing a discussion that took place during a live chat to a video by Rob Rowe, with whom I have had a discussion (see this video).

 

Picking up where we left off in the previous segment.

 

A certain Kile myers chimed in with

Does it really matter if their were giants or not? I think we are missing the point

 

Hhhut Hhhjj @Ken Ammi

what made you think goliath was not a descendant of nephilim

 

Ken Ammi @Chaos Kampf

The issue is your claim that Anakim are related to Nephilim. As I noted, none of those texts you cited and quoted refer to Nephilim.

 

Rev. Elation @kile Myers

the giants are the reason for the conquest deaths, and even the reason for David’s zeal with Goliath and his men destroying them all after he was king. he was after God’s heart

 

I will get to this sort of claim later: for now, just note that there is no indication of any such thing whatsoever.

 

Chaos Kampf

Do you not know how to read? They are identifying the Anakites with the Nephilim, and consistently describes them as tall. Numbers 13:33 is corroborated by Moses’s later declarations.

 

Fascinatingly, I pointed out that none of the quoted/cited texts even refer to Nephilim but an told, “They are identifying the Anakites with the Nephilim” but how? Apparently, because Chaos is literally reading that into the texts—texts in which no such thing exists (beyond, of course, the one single verse within the evil report).

 

Chaos Kampf

How can you not see that? Are you just selectively illiterate? Lol

 

Chaos Kampf

Moron

 

Kile myers

IT wasn’t because goliath was a giant thst David did what he did. IT was because of Israel’s cowardice and lack of faith thst He was so zealous to prove God fights for Israel

 

Hhhut Hhhjj

you are very rude

 

Chaos Kampf

I don’t care.

 

Chaos Kampf

Bite me.

 

Chaos Kampf

awww puppies

 

Hhhut Hhhjj

those who exalt themselves will be humbled

 

Ken Ammi @Chaos Kampf

You are clearly experiencing some psycho-emotional probelms and are being very worldly. I pray peace for you.

 

Well, that was the end of that and so I decided to have a discussion with someone else.

 

Chaos Kampf

Irrelevant. I’m not exalting myself.

 

Rev. Elation @kile Myers

David knew God’s decree about the giants. You’re guessing what’s in his head, which is fine, but once you understand what they did, you can see it clearly.

 

Someone that will come up again is that some people will jump from the specific Hebrew term “Nephilim” and start talking about the vague, generic, subjective, and undefined English term “giants.”

 

Ken Ammi @Hhhut Hhhjj

Since Chaos Kampf is experiencing some personal problems I can have another discussion now. The answer is because there’s no indication that he was.

 

Rev. Elation @Ken Ammi

do you doubt scripture? are you an atheist?

 

Chaos Kampf

I just despise it when people use deceitful reasoning to arrive at an extremely convoluted conclusion. You’re a pseud.

 

Brendan O’Brien

It was thought that Goliath was a refugee or descendant of refugees from the post-Egyptian Israeli invasion of Canaan. Non-semitic name I believe

 

Hhhut Hhhjj @Ken Ammi @Chaos Kampf

there is literally no reason for name calling can you not peacefully disagree

 

Kile myers

1 Samuel 17:26 And David spake to the men that stood by him, saying, What shall be done to the man that killeth this Philistine, and taketh away the reproach from Israel? for who is this uncircumcised Philistine, that he should defy the armies of the living God?

 

Again, as if that has something to do with Nephilim.

 

Chaos Kampf

Goliath’s equipment weighed hundreds of pounds.

 

I stopped replying to Chaos but will do so here, now and again, for the sake of those of you reading this now. Ask yourself how that point has anything to do with Goliath being related to Nephilim: it does not. Nor is it relevant: search online for power-lifting or strong-man competitions and you will see guys that are right around 6 ft. tall lifting 1,000 lbs.

 

Ken Ammi @Rev. Elation

I am a born again Bible defending Messianic Jew. How about you?

 

Kile myersso times the best approach is just to let the text speak for itself brother

 

Ken Mc Cracken

I find Michael Heisers view strange. There are fallen angels and then this other category of ‘spirits’ disembodied spirits/souls of products of angel and human sexual intercourse

 

I will deal with this issue later when it comes up again: for now, just note that since the premise is faulty then so is the conclusion.

 

Chaos Kampf

Ew Judaizer. Heretic.

 

Yup, because I said that I am a “born again Bible defending Messianic Jew” that, apparently in the minds of some, means that I am a “Judaizer. Heretic”: I pray that Chaos repents.

 

Ken Ammi @Hhhut Hhhjj

Wow, I just realized that Chaos is an admin here: wow! Does Rob know how Chaos treats people?

 

Hhhut Hhhjj

he also treats people the same in the server [referring to Rob’s Discord server]

 

Ken Ammi @Sentinel Apologetics [Thus, addressing Rob]

Can you please ask Chaos Kampf to stop turning the www into an even less pleasant place than it already is?

 

Chaos Kampf

I normally treat people fine. I just have an extreme dislike for your work – and most people who use Adrienne Mayor-esque thinking.

 

We will see time and again that people make statements about me that show they know nothing about me. Not that they should considering I’m just a guy that showed up in a chat but then, why make such assumptions. In any case, I included “Appendix: Review of Adrienne Mayor’s The First Fossil Hunters” in my book What Does the Bible Say About Giants and Nephilim? A Styled Giantology and Nephilology. While I emphasize with some of her common sense approaches, I also correct some of her various errors.

 

Kile myers

So[me] times the best approach is just to let the text speak for itself brother

 

Hhhut Hhhjj @Chaos Kampf

pardon me but are you autistic just asking

 

Rev. Elation @Ken Ammi

You’re not interacting with the text that clearly shows the genealogy. you can’t pick and choose.

 

Chaos Kampf

Yeah I’m an aspie

 

Chaos went on to say “Yeah sometimes it’s hard to control. It’s unfortunate.” Thus, this may be a case of not putting oneself in a position, such as being moderator of chats, where one is likely to lose control since it defeats the purpose of having a place to chat about such polemical issues.

 

Hhhut Hhhjj @Chaos Kampf

because you are clearly right

 

Ken Ammi @Rev. Elation

Sorry, whose genealogy: Goliath’s?

 

Lucas Eikenberg @Chaos Kampf

Regarding Goliath’s size… You might like an article by Jeffrey Chadwick “Jeffrey Chadwick – Four Cubits and a Span”…He relates Goliath’s size is bigger then his cities walls

 

This makes it sound as if Chadwick argued that Goliath was taller than the Philistine city walls (of course, wall heights are subjective).

Yet, a perusal of the articles written about his views speak volumes, “The biblical warrior Goliath may not have been so giant after all” and “Biblical Giant Goliath May Have Just Been a Metaphorically Big Guy” and “Biblical Goliath may not have been a giant” (as if “giant” means anything specific).

Well, I will get into the issue of his height so, let us progress.

 

Chaos Kampf

But I’ve been doing a lot of research into giant mythology and seeing Ken Ammi’s duplicitousness makes me very upset. My apologies for having offended anyone.

 

Well, that was nice and yet, I was called duplicitous/deceitful without evidence.

 

Hhhut Hhhjj @Ken Ammi

you two are brothers and grafted in the same tree so we should be friends even when we disagree on some things

 

We will pick up from here in the next segment.

 

For more details, see my books about Angles, demons, Nephilim, “giants,” etc.

 

 

 

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