Nephilim discussion with some jerks on Goliath being a quasi-divine giants, 1 of 9

I should say up front that in the discussion which follows, a couple of people were straight up jerks and a couple were actually willing to engage in sharpening iron with iron.


The jerks seem to be an example of that when we sharpen iron with iron—someone tends to get cut.


The discussion took place during a live chat to a video and it is not a good idea to waste time with jerks during live chats since it distracts from the stream of actual discussions—and the chat is literally streaming: the more people involved, the faster the chat scrolls.


I will only copy and paste the discussions in which I engaged—including the continuing comments on the jerks I had given up on since they did not like being ignored and so just kept on chiming in.


It began when Rob Rowe, with whom I have had a discussion (see this video), showed on screen something he had written and you will get the gist from my comment.


I, Ken Ammi, commented

FYI: Goliath has nothing to do with “quasi-divine” and whatever you mean by “giants.”


A certain Chaos Kampf replied

You are very much wrong. Your arguments are horrific.


A certain Rev. Elation replied

Does that count as an argument where you come from?


A certain Hhhut Hhhjj replied

your arguments are brilliant


Those were initial replies so needless to say, we were not off to a good start. Also, I had not presented an argument.


Ken Ammi @Chaos Kampf

Wow, what is wrong with you?


Chaos Kampf

Goliath is a descendant of the Anakim, who are descendants of the Nephilim.


Ken Ammi @Rev. Elation

FYI: this is a “chat.”


Chaos Kampf

I’ve read your work before, and the way you spammed Sentinel with your garbage. Your mental gymnastics are hilarious.


No, I am uncertain where or how I “spammed” Sentinel, which refers to Rob’s channel but as you can hear in the video, we agreed to have further discussion and so I attempted to reach out to him in 3-4 different ways but never got any replies.




Rev. Elation

FYI : people who use FYI aren’t clear thinkers


Ken Ammi @Chaos Kampf

What makes you think Anakim descend from Nephilim?


Chaos Kampf

Numbers 13:33


Some of you, especially if you follow my work, will instantly recognize Chaos’ problem.


Hhhut Hhhjj @Chaos Kampf

give us an example


Ken Ammi @Chaos Kampf

That’s an evil report the contents of which are not supported by even one other single verse.


Some of you, especially if you follow my work, will instantly recognize that it is biblically impossible to get beyond that fact—so, let us see what came of it.


Chaos Kampf

33 We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.”


A certain Evan J. Fish decided to assert

so we ignore verses because we want to?


Ken Ammi @Chaos Kampf

Indeed now, who said that, what was the reaction to it, was it accurate, etc.?


Some of you, especially if you follow my work, will instantly recognize that Chaos implied a typical error: picking up one single verse without bothering to interact with the narrative and running it is. Thus, I was seeking to encourage applying proper hermeneutical principles.


Chaos Kampf

Deuteronomy 1:28, Deuteronomy 2:10-11, 21, Deuteronomy 9:2. Joshua 11:21-22, Joshua 14:12,15, Joshua 15:13-14, Joshua 21:11 and Judges 1:20 all corroborate the report given in Numbers 13:33.


Ken Ammi @Chaos Kampf

How so? None of those refer to Nephilim.


This is another key issue: asserting more evidence when there is no more and then continuing on as it there is.


Hhhut Hhhjj @Ken Ammi

I think we should accept this verse if we don’t have any reason to doubt it


ChristThinker @Ken Ammi

You completely misunderstand the point. Obviously the report is evil, but it is the description of the Anakim that is important.


This is another issue, missing the point: the primary issue if Nephilim, the secondary one is the evil repot, the tertiary is the Anakim and that only because the evil reporters claim that they are related to Nephilim.


Chaos Kampf

Lord hates us; so he brought us out of Egypt to deliver us into the hands of the Amorites to destroy us. 28 Where can we go?


Chaos Kampf

Our brothers have made our hearts melt in fear. They say, ‘The people are stronger and taller than we are; the cities are large, with walls up to the sky. We even saw the Anakites there.’”


The discussion was about Nephilim but Chaos now quotes a text about Amorites and then well, I will get to the second (which is from Deut 1).


Hhhut Hhhjj @Ken Ammi

I think you should update your views


Ken Ammi

I can’t carry on a discussion with multiple people.


I made that point because as the chat scrolls I could only manage so many replies and since Chaos was first to reply, I focus on the replying to Chaos—this was soon to change.


Chaos Kampf

10 (The Emites used to live there—a people strong and numerous, and as tall as the Anakites. 11 Like the Anakites, they too were considered Rephaites, but the Moabites called them Emites.


Now it is about Rephaim in general and one of its subgroups: Anakim, but still noting about Nephilim.


Ken Ammi @Chaos Kampf

Did you notice that when Moses looked back to that evil report he utterly ignores the claim about Nephilim?


Rev. Elation @Ken Ammi

Is your claim that there were no giants from these nations? giants meaning 6.5 feet tall and up? Do you understand the conquest of Canaan?


Hhhut Hhhjj @Chaos Kampf

there was no reason to be rude though


Chaos Kampf

No, he doesn’t. You are making a non-theology out of nothing.


Chaos Kampf

Literally in Deut 9;2 He acknowledges their zie [size].


That verse reads, “A people great and tall, the children of the Anakims, whom thou knowest, and of whom thou hast heard say, Who can stand before the children of Anak!” thus, again, that was about Anakim, not about Nephilim and we are still waiting for any reliable indication that Anakim are related to Nephilim—I will make many arguments about how we have no such reliable indication.

As to their size: the text referred to them as “tall” which is as vague, generic, and subjective as it sounds.


Hhhut Hhhjjwe

can discuss these things politely


I am leaving in the statements about manners since it is refreshing that some of the chatterers commented about it—yet, it only got worse.


Ken Ammi

Whose size?


Chaos Kampf

Nah not if it’s dumb.


Chaos Kampf

2 The people are strong and tall—Anakites! You know about them and have heard it said: “Who can stand up against the Anakites?


Chaos Kampf



See, the issue was not size (at least not primarily) nor the size of Anakim but it was about Nephilim and secondarily their size. I get the roundabout point: if Nephilim were “tall” then those related to them were “tall” but the issue is that we have no reliable indication that Nephilim were even one inch taller than average.


We will pick up from here in the next segment.


For more details, see my books about Angles, demons, Nephilim, “giants,” etc.






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