We continue, from part 1, part 2, part 3, part 4, part 5,
We continue, from part 1, part 2, part 3, part 4, part 5, part 6, part 7, part 8, part 9, part 10, part 11, considering pop-research on the issue of the historical Jesus and Jesus mythicism with regards to some Atheists who have taken to the utterly radical view that Jesus never even existed.
I have been considering Michael Paulkovich and Raphael Lataster and, in this case, I got into a comment section discussion within an article written by YouTube celebrity Atheist AaronRa that was simply titled “Jesus never existed” November 3, 2015 AD.
See my article Historical Jesus – two centuries worth of citations wherein I chronicled 205 texts that reference Jesus dating from pre 70 AD to 200-250 AD.
How about this question: what of a Jew in the Adamic covenant manner of describing who is a Jew (if such a term could be applied to such early personages, let us go with it for the sake of the argument) who then becomes a Noahic covenant Jew, are they still a Jew? Or a Noahic covenant Jew who then becomes an Abrahamic covenant Jew, are they still a Jew? Or an Abrahamic covenant Jew who then becomes an Aaronic covenant Jew, are they still a Jew? Or an Aaronic who then becomes a Mosaic covenant Jew, are they still a Jew? One and one we go until we ask: or a Jew of any such and various covenants who then becomes a new covenant Jew, are they still a Jew?
This is a Jew who holds that the Jewish Messiah has come in the person of the Jewish man Jesus as predicted by the Jewish scriptures, followed by the Jewish apostles and Jewish disciples and written about in the New Testament which out of 27 books has 25 written by Jews.
Thus, Jews who accept Jesus Messiahship do not convert to Christianity as some may think of it but continue being Jews just as Adamic, Noahic, Abrahamic, Aaronic, Mosaic Jews continued to be Jews and much like Rabbinic, Reform, Reconstructionists claim to be Jews still.
Rabbi Federow does not attend Temple services, does not offer sacrifices, etc. and it is because his Rabbinic Judaism religion tells him that God’s commandments on such rituals are no longer in effect (even though they were everlasting) and that he can still be a Jew without them (whether he believes that they will be reestablished with a new Temple is beside the current point).
He made the, on the surface good, point that “The Jews are not a race, one can convert To Judaism and become a Jew.” Yet, there are two points to make as there are two sides to this issue. As per the Encyclopedia Judaica 3:211, a Jew is, “born to a Jewish mother or properly converted to Judaism…For the born Jew, Judaism is not a matter of choice.” The entirety of the Tanakh focuses on the Jews as being God’s chosen people thus, the Jews are a race (even though there is only one race, the human race; the Jews are a people group). Yet, Judaism is a theology and manner of life. The fact that one who is not born a Jew must covert shows that Judaism is both: that which one is born and that which one upholds. Thus, one cannot have ones genetics changed so as to become a genetic Jew but can join Judaism.
Rabbi Federow also wrote, “if one is a Jew and converts to another faith, they are no longer a Jew.” Now, speaking for myself, I do not see how I converted to anything. I accepted that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah and now live under the new covenant. Yet, certain Christian sects do have conversion rituals. Yet, the Encyclopedia Judaica 3:211 elucidated this by noting, as I had quoted to the Rabbi:
In Jewish religious law, it is technically impossible for a Jew (born to a Jewish mother or properly converted to Judaism) to change his religion. Even though a Jew undergoes the rites of admission to another religious faith and formally renounces the Jewish religion he remains—as far as the Halakah is concerned—a Jew, albeit a sinner (Sanh. 44a)…For the born Jew, Judaism is not a matter of choice…in the technical halakhic sense, apostasy is impossible.
The encyclopedia references the Halakah (Rabbinic Judaism’s religious laws) and the Talmud by the citation of Sanhedrin 44a which gives the following example:
Israel hath sinned. R. Abba b. Zabda said: Even though [the people] have sinned, they are still [called] “Israel”.(1) R. Abba said: Thus people say, A myrtle, though it stands among reeds, is still a myrtle, and it is so called.
Footnote (1): “Israel is the name of honor for the people when faithful to God.” Thus, a sinning Jew is still a Jew.
Thus, if it is a sin for a Jew to accept Jesus as Messiah then they are still a Jew because, “Even though [the people] have sinned, they are still [called] ‘Israel’…a sinning Jew is still a Jew.” These are the sort of resource that Rabbi Federow seeks to keep hidden—the Encyclopedia Judaica, the Halakah, the Talmud, etc.—as they are not only sensible and sensible but authoritative, logical and offers quotations and citations (I provide many more quotations from Jewish encyclopedias, dictionaries, academic scholar, Rabbis, etc. on both sides of this issue, unlike Rabbi Federow’s modus operandi, in Jewish and Christian? Is Messianic Judaism Possible?).
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