The following discussion took place due to LA Marzulli’s video THE WHEEL OF THE GIANTS after a certain RandomChristianMusings commented
I love your style, Mr. Marzulli. You were the first person, who happens to be a believer, that taught me about the Giants and the Nephilim. I realize you can’t answer every comment. I get it. However, I simply had to give you a big “thank you” for teaching me Biblical truths that my Pastors SHOULD HAVE taught me, but neglected to. God bless you and people like Timothy Alberino who teach those of us with eyes to see and ears to hear the truth. Shalom, my brother <3
Ken Ammi
I hate to be so blunt but it’s obvious that LA was the first person that taught you about the “Giants and the Nephilim” since that’s part of the confusion he teaches: “Giants and the Nephilim” means “Nephilim and the Nephilim” since, contextually, “Giants” in your English Bible, is just rendering (not even translating) “Nephilim.” Also, he teaches post-flood Nephilim but the Bible doesn’t. And why does he teach Nephilim were “Giants” (implying unusual height: another un-biblical teaching) and claims to have their skulls but can only ever show us regular sized skulls?
Murica N Cars
I beg to differ. It says clearly there were giants in those days and after, as in the context of after the flood. One of Noah’s kids married a woman that had the genetics so some of the kids had the gene as well.
Ken Ammi
No, no: I beg to differ—pretty please! ;o)
If you mean “Nephilim” then please stick to that word or this will get increasingly confusing.
Now, such is not the case since “It says clearly there were [Nephilim] in those days and after, as in the context of” “when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men…” that’s what the verse actually states, that’s the verse telling you to which days it’s referring.
You say “after the flood” but the flood isn’t even mentioned for the very first time until a full 13 verses later.
Lastly, due to that misunderstanding, you are forced to literally invent that “One of Noah’s kids married a woman that had the genetics so some of the kids had the gene as well” which implies that God failed, He meant to be rid of them but couldn’t get the job done, He missed that loophole.
Suzanne Hartmann
Genesis 6:4 The Nephilim
הַנְּפִלִ֞ים (han·nə·p̄i·lîm) Strong’s Hebrew 5303: 1) giants, the Nephilim BOTH MEANINGS get your facts straight before you criticize please.
Ken Ammi
Friend, I literally wrote the book on such sources and resources so I understand why Strong’s (which isn’t inspired) presents that as one usage.
You should also ask why they do that, especially considering that no Hebrew etymologist would say that “Nephilim” means or even implies what you’re thinking of as “giants”–which isn’t even what English Bibles mean when they use the English word “giants.”
See my book “Bible Encyclopedias and Dictionaries on Angels, Demons, Nephilim, and Giants: From 1851 to 2010.”
Also, you say “Strong’s Hebrew 5303: 1) giants…” but you then have to ask what Strong’s means by “giants,” what the usage was when that was published, etc. In other words, again, why does Strong’s even say that?
Thomas Stickle
you have read that Og, King of Bashan and Goliath lived after the Flood, correct? You also know there were more giants right?
Ken Ammi
Friend, if your English Bible employs the English word “giant” then please note that in two verse it is rendering (not even translating) “Nephilim” and in the 98% of others its rendering “Rephaim” and it never, ever, implies anything about height whatsoever.
So, when you refer to Og and Goliath, please note that you’re referring to two Rephaim, neither was a Nephil—nor could they have been.
Also, I’m unsure why you include them amongst what you seem to imply were subjectively tall people since we’ve no physical description of Og whatsoever and Goliath was, most reliably, just shy of 7 ft. Yet, that brings the point about subjectively unusual height into play since sure, Goliath was tall at just shy of 7 ft. compared to the average Israelite male who in those days was 5.0-5.3 ft.
[By now, I wrote an entire book about Og, see The King, Og of Bashan, is Dead: The Man, the Myth, the Legend—of a Nephilim Giant?]
Murica N Cars
ah yes demons are the disembodied spirits of the giants. As for the other it was just a suggestion, but based on the severity of Gods punishment for the 1st infraction (chained in darkness etc etc…) I find it highly unlikely there was a 2nd incursion from fallen angels. As for God “failing@ maybe he knew it would happen like that and planned for them to get wiped out in Canaan, we just don’t really know do we?
Ken Ammi
What makes you think “demons are the disembodied spirits of the giants”?
What do you mean by “giants”?
There were not post-flood incursions of fallen Angels.
There’s no indication Nephilim “get wiped out in Canaan” and yes, we know perfectly well if we just read the Bible and ignore pop-researchers who make a living spinning neo-theo-sci-fi tall tales.
Murica N Cars
yes I had another message I submitted but felt that it came off as me being a way that I wasn’t, so I deleted it and rewrote it. As for giants, I believe that there were at least 15-18ish foot hybrid giants and due to the genetic corruption God wiped them all out with the flood.
Ken Ammi
Friend, recall that I had asked, “What makes you think ‘demons are the disembodied spirits of the giants’?”
I noted, “There were not post-flood incursions of fallen Angels.”
I also noted, “There’s no indication Nephilim ‘get wiped out in Canaan…’”
I had also asked, “What do you mean by ‘giants’?” and you replied, “As for giants, I believe that there were at least 15-18ish foot hybrid giants and due to the genetic corruption” we at least agree, “God wiped them all out with the flood.”
But be careful about defining “giants” as “at least 15-18ish foot hybrid” since:
1. The English word “giants” in English Bibles implies no such thing whatsoever, it has nothing to do with height at all.
2. The English word “giants” in English Bibles refers to “hybrid” Nephilim in Gen 6:4, reliably, and Num 13:3, unreliably (since that’s part of an evil report). But it also refers to Rephaim in 98% of all over cases but Rephaim were not hybrids.
So, as for “at least 15-18ish foot” I’ve no idea where you’re getting that:
1. We’ve no reliable description of Nephilim so you can’t know they were “at least 15-18ish foot.”
2. The only contextually relevant description of Rephaim we have is that some of them, such as the Anakim subgroup/clan, were “tall” subjective to the average Israelite male who was 5.0-5.3 ft. in those days.
Murica N Cars
interesting. I’m still looking into everything and will continue until I die. As long as you believe God sent his only Son to legally accept our sins and die for them for all mankind the other stuff will eventually fall into place. Do you believe God sent his only Son to die for your sins?
Ken Ammi
Yes I do, thanks for asking—I’m a Messianic Jew. If you’re interested, I can cut you a deal on my various books about Nephilim and “giants” or even “Is Jesus the Messiah? A Judaism vs. Judaism Debate”: https://www.amazon.com/Ken-Ammi/e/B071NW4F4W%3Fref=dbs_a_mng_rwt_scns_share
Murica N Cars
also says in Bible Amorites were tall as cedars.
“Yet it was I who destroyed the Amorite before them, Whose height was like the height of the cedars, And he was as strong as the oaks; Yet I destroyed his fruit above And his roots beneath.
Amos 2:9
Ken Ammi
So, what is the mathematical ratio based equation result of a person’s strength vs. the strength of an oak?
Murica N Cars
I would say more than a 2×4 for sure
Ken Ammi
Indeed, no one knows, no one cares, and no one thinks about it until I mention it because this is not about interacting with the text, it’s about neo-theo-sci-fi tall tales. I mean, just listen to when I brought this up to Rolon.
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