The info section to the video ENOCH Is Scripture (Proof) states, “Some say the Book of Enoch is a good book to reference, or historical. However, our Messiah called it scripture!”
I, Ken Ammi, commented
By “Is Scripture” do you mean belongs in the canon?
If so, why is it not therein?
Also, it does not seem that Jesus was quoting 1 Enoch.
He said, “Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God” so it may seem that He goes on to quote it (but note that His statement is clearly not a quotation) but we might as well say that He was quoting “the power of God.”
In any case, 1 Enoch contradicts the Bible so many times that I filled a whole chapter with examples in my book “In Consideration of the Book(s) of Enoch.”
TNtraveler replied
You’re right.
John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” Which excluded the book of Enoch.
Jesus was not quoting the book of Enoch in Matthew 22. Although there are places in the Bible that do, like in Jude and Paul references it.
But For some reason, these are the only verses God approved of. The rest of the book of Enoch, didn’t get Gods stamp of approval.
There’s some reason this man wants so badly to focus on that book. Is he doing it his way or Gods way. God bless
TheJBerg noted
Book of Enoch didn’t get included because Council of Nicea couldn’t agree on it’s inclusion. God had nothing to do with it, just church politics.
TNtraveler
Ok, so since the Council of Nicea made the decision to include all the others, God didn’t divinely inspire that either. Ok. Well I just won’t study it anymore at all then. Thanks for the enlightenment.
Tausha the Tech @TheJBerg
no they found it’s been written by several different authors. They couldn’t determine it to be God breathed. Discernment should tell you this as well. Especially since the end states Enoch himself is the chosen messiah. I own the book, its spiritually dark. It’s crazy to me that people dont trust Gods sovereignty over his own word.
Rebecca Spires @TheJBerg
and God said “ the gates of hell will not prevail” so I’m positive God included all He wanted.
dsvet
The Truth About the Apocrypha and the Lost Books of the Bible https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XxjH7CfhSX8
TNtraveler @Tausha the Tech
Wow. I have not read the book of Enoch. I only know it’s an extremely large book about apocalyptic days. But I didn’t know it claims Enoch is the Messiah It’s in Enoch 71:14. This is why it wasn’t included in the Bible. That voids ALL discussion because it’s blasphemy. Thank you for pointing that out!
Ken Ammi @TheJBerg
But how could it be that a book that contradicts the Bible (a lot) didn’t get included because a council that didn’t even deal with the canon couldn’t agree on it’s inclusion?
Javier Feria
Sir
Don’t give up, continue searching…
The writings are inspired by God, you’ll find much spiritual wisdom if you keep searching the holy scriptures
TNtraveler
Also, do some research on 1 Enoch chapter 71. It talks about who the son of man is. It’s been interpreted that in those verses as it is describing the Messiah, it points to Enoch as the son of man. This is one of the reasons it was not put in the Bible,. It’s blasphemy. it’s a huge book so all that just wasn’t necessary. You can Google about it. But ultimately, God did not lead the council to include it in the Bible bc it would contradict scripture. It’s interesting to read it because it’s about apocalyptic times, but don’t get sucked into as divinely inspired bc it wasn’t. God Bless
Maker Marx @TheJBerg
God has everything to do with everything, permitting or denying.
Jack Nicholls @TNtraveler
because god has different type of believers in him down here, we have the ones who stick to the book, we have ones who ignore it, we have ones who take and add, but most importantly, we have people that search for the truth, god didn’t take these scriptures out as far as I am aware, it was man. Now the scriptures may have been removed with the influence of god maybe because the church age (right now) doesn’t need that information.
Beth-El Yisrael
Y’all REALLY think it’s okay to omit books that were originally included in the Bible?? Y’all are aware that Yah said that their will be divine retribution for those who adds or takes away from the Bible, right?
Just because Yah allows something bad to happen does not mean that he approves of it. All of these occurred to fulfill the prophecies spoken about how man would take the word and twist it and do other abominable things that Yah hates. Also if Genesis states that Enoch was a man that WALKED with Yah and was without because Yah took him meaning he DID NOT DIE…don’t you think that book is REALLY important?? I’d most definitely like to read the book he wrote because if he was so close with Yah I’m quite sure things were revealed to him that the average man never knew about or saw.
Come on now. It’s all to sow confusion.
Marcin_R
There are many gnostic scriptures that the church doesn’t deem as canon, now ask yourselves why is that? Why would they omit such writings that point towards Truth and salvation? Maybe back when the Roman Catholic church was forming, and remember this is still a Roman mentality, of those that govern. I don’t think they would like it very much to have Free men and women as citizens, you see! you can’t tell what to do to those that walk with God.
And if I am a priest but the people are higher than me spiritually what would that make me? like a joke.
And if you are sick but I have a secret medicine than I can manipulate this for great profit.
Men that govern love power, control is what they covet. They don’t want the people strong of will and spirit, that would make them appear lesser.
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.”
Beth-El Yisrael @Marcin_R
HalleluYah!! Right on point!!
Rebeccablackford7794 @TNtraveler
what if there the books that were closed up because they’re meant for a remote generation, ones who’s knowledge will increase rapidly! That’s spoken of in the end of Daniel.
Ken Ammi @Marcin_R
Your reference to “many gnostic scriptures” is too generic to follow up with “point towards Truth and salvation.” Most Gnostic scriptures just take Biblical doctrines and turn them upside-down, inside-out, and backward.
Marcin_R
They don’t distort what is written in the Bible, just what people think of the Bible.
If I am convinced that the way I see the Bible is the only true and actual, then anything else that doesn’t coincide with this view will be thrown away.
And I will do all I can to protect it, to protect my beliefs, a go to place, my comfort zone.
The problem here is that people don’t realize these are just beliefs and they mistake them for the actual.
Gnostic poetry threatens such views because it points to the actual, a direct experience of God. And with that we don’t need any more beliefs.
Marcin_R
btw, if you see when looking and listen when hearing the Bible is a gnostic text, so are the Vedas.
Ken Ammi
But see, you fell for it: they utterly corrupt at a most fundamental level and you want to believe that so you say they don’t distort what is written in the Bible, just what people think of the Bible which is simply note the case at all.
It’s also just a fact that the Bible means certain things, certain main/major things–such as about the nature of God and the nature of humanity: which two biggies–and so anything that contradicts those are violations of it.
You seem to be saying that you are convinced that the way you see the Gnostic texts is the only true and actual, but that anything else that doesn’t coincide with this view, such as the Bible as it has been understood for millennia, will be thrown away or clumsily (pseudo) force fitted.
Marcin_R
forget for a moment the texts and what is meant by gnostic. They are only pointers, they try to point at the Actual, reality as it truly is.
So when I say the actual this is what I am referring to, THIS! right here, right now!
But you said it yourself, for millennia people shy away from this and console themselves with mental imagery, notions and beliefs of God. How do I know these are mere imaginings, fabrications of the mind?
Because they are only thoughts, like poor reflections, stories that we tell ourselves.
All this happens in our heads!
For this reason God will never be what we think it is, the world is not what we think it is. You are not what you take yourself to be.
When we believe our thoughts, you can say when we believe the father of lies, that’s when our actual experience is distorted.
We view the world through our beliefs and not how it actually is.
When we view things from our own experience then things like the Bible unfold with new dimensions, it becomes rich and multilayered. And what once sounded like stories and events reveals to be poetry, parables and allegories.
Written through divine guidance they speak about things hidden from us but in plain sight, even things that we can’t put into words.
Ken Ammi
Wait, but on Gnosticism “reality as it truly is” is a corruption created corrupt by a senile god—supposedly, the God of the Bible, no less.
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Marcin_R
not sure what you mean by that, but when you say the biblical God, what exactly are you referring to?
Is there really such a thing apart from each man’s individual notion?
We say “biblical God” and there is an image in our minds of what that is,
what I am saying is that we believe this image to be the actual God.
What I really want to say is God is always here, because there’s no such thing as here and now without a God, the universe cannot Not exist, God cannot Not exist, so reality as it always is – is always the case.
But our beliefs and imaginations is what veils the Actual.
Ken Ammi
I’m just pointing out one of the key features of Gnosticism which is that reality, the universe, the physical/material creation is a corruption created corrupt by a senile god—supposedly, the God of the Bible, no less.
No, I’m not referring to an image but to God.
And the universe can not exist since it was God’s choice to create it and He may have chosen otherwise: the universe is contingent upon God.
So yes, “reality as it always is – is always the case” but, again, on Gnosticism this reality is a corruption.
See, “Gospel of Judas, part 5 of 7 : AEON SOTER – Some Gnosis of Gnosticism”: https://truefreethinker.com/gospel-of-judas-part-5-of-7-aeon-soter-some-gnosis-of-gnosticism
Marcin_R
Ken Ammi not sure what you mean by that, but when you say the biblical God, what exactly are you referring to? Is there really such a thing apart from each man’s individual notion? We say “biblical God” and there is an image in our minds of what that is, what I am saying is that we believe this image to be the actual God. What I really want to say is God is always here, because there’s no such thing as here and now without a God, the universe cannot Not exist, God cannot Not exist, so reality as it always is – is always the case. But our beliefs and imaginations is what veils the Actual.
Ken Ammi
By the biblical God I’m referring to just that: the one and only God who is specifically revealed in the Bible.
Thus indeed, God is apart from each man’s individual notion since our epistemology doesn’t effect ontology.
I’m unsure who the “We” is to whom you refer but when I, at least, “say ‘biblical God’” I’m referring to God Himself, not just “an image in our minds” nor that “this image” is “the actual God.” The “universe cannot Not exist” because God did create it, I was just saying that it could have not existed if He had decided not to create it.
And on Gnosticism, the universe is ontologically corrupt by definition from it’s creation. Not so with the Bible and it’s, the real true, God who created a good creation that underwent a fall and will be redeemed.
Marcin_R
I can’t speak from a current experience but I have witnessed first hand how we are always One with Him, One with God. We cannot be apart from God because God is All there is. We are all One with God but we don’t feel it, delusion or illusion and we think we are separate. We have eaten the apple, our minds learned of duality so instead of seeing oneness we project our judgments and divisions. We identify with this, our identity, memory, conditioning, our beliefs, the conceptual contents of our minds so we are banished from eden. We don’t live with God. what I mean by universal is just that, All encompassing, the whole of existence. Christian not as a religion or something we identify with but as a mode of being. Compassion, Truth, Humility, Peace, Awareness; these are what it means to be a Christian. You could belong to another religion and still be a Christian, you could even be in another galaxy and as long as you are your true Self you are Christian. All these qualities I mentioned is what we all truly are, deep in the core we are all Christ like.
Ken Ammi
So, basically, you’re saying that when some guys fly an airplane into a building and murder thousands of people in the name of a false god then they were “always One with Him, One with God…cannot be apart from God because God is All there is.”
Marcin_R
Ken Ammi what you’re showing me is that you didn’t listen to a word I said. Listening means, neither agree or disagree, to stop all judgment for this brief moment while hearing so we can simply understand what the person is saying. If we can’t do that then we are not really communicating.
Ken Ammi
I apologize if I mistook you but that seemed to be one conclusion of what you were saying so, how is it not?
Well, that ended it since no more replies were forthcoming.
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