Discussing “Since the Bible says that humanity was destroyed by a flood, are we technically biblical humans?”

To the subject Quora site question, Janet Isaac Morrison posted this comment:

Noah was found perfect in his generations. He was chosen because he was perfectly human. This was in a time of genetic contamination by the fallen angels who produced the Nephilim giant hybrids of Genesis 6.

Aaron Jennings chimed in thusly (quoting from Genesis 6):

4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.
It doesn’t say the Nephilim were wicked… it says the human race. It says Nephilim were heroes.

Janet Isaac Morrison:

The book of Enoch gets into the details of how wicked the fallen angels and their Nephilim offspring were. They practiced cannibalism. It sounded like they did genetic manipulation because it said they also sinned against the animals. When the Nephilim died their immortal part lived on as a disembodied evil spirit. They had names like the Emin and the Zamzummin. Which meant men of terror and those who make the heart faint.

I, Ken Ammi, replied:

Well, that “book of Enoch” (1 Enoch/Ethiopic Enoch) dates from MILLENNIA after the Torah was written and contradicts the Bible, a lot (see a whole chapter just on that in my book “In Consideration of the Book(s) of Enoch”).
Thus, there’s no reliable indication that Nephilim “practiced cannibalism.”
Also, that they “sinned against the animals” has nothing to do with “genetic manipulation”: the context of that statement is about eating.
My biblical theory about the identity of demons is found here: Demons Ex Machina: What Are Demons?
You are also misreading Deut 2 since there’s no indication that “They,” the Nephilim, “had names like the Emin and the Zamzummin”: that was about Rephaim, not Nephilim.

Janet Isaac Morrison:

The Book of Enoch was found with the dead sea scrolls and is still in the Ethiopian Bible and the Egyptian Coptic Christian Bible. “Like the Anakim they are also counted as Rephaim, but the Moabites call them Emim.” (Deuteronomy 2:11)
The word Emim (אימים) is derived from the Hebrew word Eima (אימה) which means terror or fear (in Modern Hebrew ‘Seret Eima’ {סרט אימה} means a horror film) and can teach us about how the ancient Moabites’ perspective on the Rephaim.
“Rephaim formerly lived there–but the Ammonites call them Zamzummim.” (Deuteronomy 2: 20)
Zamzummim (זמזומים) comes from the Hebrew word Zimzum (זמזום) which means ‘buzz’ or ‘hum’ and describes the characteristic noise they produced which is strongly associated with the ancient belief of the noise the spirits of the dead generated, as can be found in the Book of Isaiah:
Sinning against the animals cannot mean eating them as even Adam and Eve and Cain and Abel all ate animals such as lamb.

Ken Ammi:

A lot of varied texts were found with the Dead Sea Scrolls and that it’s in one canon does not accredit it rather, it makes it suspect: beside, the Ethiopic canon contains other texts that no faithful, traditional Christian would accept. In short, I wrote a book titled “In Consideration of the Book(s) of Enoch” that includes a whole chapter’s worth of examples of how it contradicts the Bible.
Note one thing about all of Deuteronomy chapter 2: it does not ever say one single word about Nephilim.
The context makes it crystal clear that “Sinning against the animals” does “mean eating them.”
What makes you think that “Adam and Eve and Cain and Abel all ate animals such as lamb”?

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