Discussing “Is Morality Objective?” with Atheists, 1 of 5

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This is the first segment relating discussions I had with Atheist due to the video “Is Morality Objective? Randal Rauser & CC Vs Brenton & 5-By-5”—when all segments are posted, you will be able to find them here.

Kibret W commented
Morality is objective. The standard of morality is subjective. Just like distance is objective but whether to measure it by inches or meters is upto us.
Example: “Killing is wrong”

This is the first segment relating discussions I had with Atheist due to the video “Is Morality Objective? Randal Rauser & CC Vs Brenton & 5-By-5”—when all segments are posted, you will be able to find them here.

Kibret W commented
Morality is objective. The standard of morality is subjective. Just like distance is objective but whether to measure it by inches or meters is upto us.
Example: “Killing is wrong”
– Person 1: Killing is wrong because ABC. Therefore no-one should kill.
– Person 2: Killing is wrong because XYZ. Therefore no-one should kill.
The “no one should kill” part of this is objective, because it’s held to a certain standard. Meaning we believe what we define as “right” or “wrong” is objectively right or wrong (to everyone). No one ever says “Killing is wrong, but for some people it is right”. This would not be anything more than an opinion.
Morality requires a standard or else it’s just preferences. And naturally the only one who can decide what’s right or wrong for anything (define its purpose) is the creator/owner of that thing.
If a creator doesn’t exist, there is no inherent authority for anyone to appeal to. It means the universe has no standard of what is right or wrong, which we can judge things by. Every human will have their opinions on what *ought* to happen, but there isn’t true right or wrong.
If you want to check this, start a “why is X right/wrong” discussion with an Atheist and see how it works. They will give you a lot of answers which will boil down to “because I approve/disapprove”. Obviously this is not morality because everyone has an opinion on things and one person’s opinion is irrelevant to someone else’s.
Humans have come up with democracy (having the majority as the standard) and it’s the best we have come up with, even though it’s flawed.

MrEbySan FPV replied
This sounds dumb. What’s your definition of morality? We all seem to have different definitions.

Kibret W @MrEbySan FPV
Morality is the process of judging good and evil. In technical terms, it’s measuring choices. I have emailed this channel to be a debater and if I get the chance I will definitely focus on definitions.

I, Ken Ammi, chimed in with
Killing is not wrong, murder is wrong.

davelanger replied
if killing is wrong why does god do it and command it in the bible? You fail at your first point.

Eugene Coleman chimed in with
There are people who argue for objective morality without a God. Tjump is a good example.

Eugene Coleman also commented
I think there are situations where killing someone can be justified or morally good, so your argument just failed.

Kibret W @Ken Ammi It’s an example.

Kibret W @davelanger
it’s an example don’t change the main point

davelanger @Eugene Coleman
No yours failed because that means that morality is relative and not objective if sometimes it’s morally good to kill someone.. thanks for proving the point its not objective.

Kibret W @Eugene Coleman
objective morality doesn’t require God. We have a (flawed) system with “the majority” as the standard instead of God.

davelanger @Kibret W
You failed and are dodging the point because it destroys your claim. Just as I thought. And yes morality is in fact just a preference. That is what subjective means.

Kibret W @davelanger
Again, don’t change the point. That’s not even a good argument I just don’t want to get sidetracked.

davelanger @Kibret W
Its such a good argument, you keep avoiding it Its on point. How is it not. Your OP said killing is wrong and i countered the place you get your morality from your god kills. so how is that moral? Unless you want to admit your god is immoral.

davelanger @Kibret W
Also to another point you made. “Morality is the process of judging good and evil.”
You just showed how morality is subjective You said its the process of JUDGING, and judging is subjective. You totally defeated your claim morality is objective.

Kibret W @davelanger

My OP didn’t make a moral statement on specific actions.

davelanger @Kibret W
Of course you did and I quote
“The “no one should kill” part of this is objective..”
Did you not say this?
How is no one should kill not a moral statement on a specific action? Dude you have to be a POE or just really really stupid.
I think we are just wasting our time with you.

Kibret W @davelanger
Nope. It’s a statement about the objectivity.

davelanger @Kibret W
You dont know the terms you are using. You are a walking contradicting.

We will pick it up where I chimed back in in the next segment.

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