Did Jesus exist? Jesus and Pagan myths

We continue, from part 1, part 2, part 3, considering pop-research on the issue of the historical Jesus and Jesus mythicism with regards to some Atheists who have taken to the utterly radical view that Jesus never even existed.

We continue, from part 1, part 2, part 3, considering pop-research on the issue of the historical Jesus and Jesus mythicism with regards to some Atheists who have taken to the utterly radical view that Jesus never even existed.
I have been considering Michael Paulkovich and Raphael Lataster and, in this case, I got into a comment section discussion within an article written by YouTube celebrity Atheist AaronRa that was simply titled “Jesus never existed” November 3, 2015 AD.
See my article Historical Jesus – two centuries worth of citations wherein I chronicled 205 texts that reference Jesus dating from pre 70 AD to 200-250 AD

The Jewish person lorasinger makes a comeback to the historical Jesus issue by referring to the supposed likeness between Jesus and mythical figures:

Re: If you really believe that there are dozens of stories from the pagan world of a god and mortal woman producing a sacrificial man, etc. please provide citations.

Read: Paganism in Christianity (A. Weigall) The Pagan Christ (T. Harpur).

Horus (Egypt – 3000 BC): Born on Dec. 25th, born of a virgin, star in the east, adorned by 3 kings, teacher at 12, baptized/ministry at age 30, 12 disciples

Attis (Greece – 1200 BC): Born of a virgin, born on Dec 25th, crucified, dead for 3 days, resurrected

Mithra (Persia – 1200 BC): Born of a virgin, born on Dec 25th, 12 disciples, performed miracles, dead for 3 days, resurrected

Krishna (India – 900 BC): Born of a virgin, star in the east, performed miracles, resurrected

Dionysus (Greece – 500 BC): Born of a virgin, born on Dec 25th, performed miracles, “king of kings”, “alpha and omega”, resurrected

There are no man gods in Judaism.

A commentator who goes by the pseudonym rabbit chimes in at this point such a one word comment to lorasinger, “Applause” which means that rabbit was very pleased with lorasinger’s reply. This actually denotes just how pleased some people are with elephant hurling: making impressive sounding statement that have an air of authority about them. Well, I have been through this many times and so made a point and asked a key question:

Sorry friend, but I am afraid that you either misunderstood or fell for typical pop-talking points.
You stated, “Re: If you really believe that there are dozens of stories from the pagan world of a god and mortal woman producing a sacrificial man, etc. please provide citations.”
But this is not what I requested as I know very well that people generically claim all sorts of things. What I requested was that you “provide citations to primary source material ONLY as such claims proposed by very, very recent pop-“researchers” fall short.”

Just listing generic claims is not providing citations and especially is not providing citations to primary source material ONLY.

Again, I have been through this many times and so I knew that no such citations were forthcoming and indeed, here is lorasinger’s reply:

Any book of myths contains such stories and I guess you missed two books which are written about it too, neither of whom are “pop researchers”.
There are no men gods in Judaism and that leaves only the pagans, Ken.

It was noticed even by the end of the first century/beginning of the second. Even Justin Martyr recognized the analogies between Christianity and Paganism. To the Pagans, he wrote: “When we say that the Word, who is first born of God, was produced without sexual union, and that he, Jesus Christ, our teacher, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven; we propound nothing different from what you believe regarding those whom you esteem sons of Jupiter (Zeus).” [First Apology, ch. xxi]

What could I do but push forwards with the following:

Friend, you are not conversant with these issues and I am empathetic thus, I am not making fun but encourage you to look into these things beyond the level of repeating talking points and cutting and pasting whatever comes up when you search only for that information which already agrees with what you want to believe.

You made a specific claim and I asked for citations but you have none. I do not ask because I lack the info but ask because I know the info and you will find no such into in books of myths. What you will find is, for example, a very, very late dated story about the Buddha’s (if any such person ever existed) mother having a dream that a white elephant entered her side.

Then, you are told that the Buddha was born of a virgin. This is the disconnect between the primary source materials and how they are reported by the pop researchers whom you believe without, apparently, checking up on their claims. Also, I have no problem noticing likenesses between all sorts of things like the Genesis 6 story ultimately turning into Greek tales about Titans, etc.

Now, I am unsure as to how you can authoritatively assert what there is and is not in (all of) Judaism. For example, there is no transmigration of the soul reincarnation in biblical Judaism but there is in Rabbinic Judaism. If you want to see a literal God man just read Genesis 18 where the one true living God manifests as a man who eats with, walks with and talks with Abraham.

So now, I requested specific citations yet again and directed lorasinger to Genesis 18. In the next segment, we will see what they have to say about the text within the Jewish scriptures.