Debate with Atheist on human sacrifice in the Bible, part 1

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Find all segments of this debate here.


Find all segments of this debate here.

I have often stated that I have often stated that I do not know, on a case by case basis, why some online discussions suddenly come to an abrupt halt. In this case, it was halted on my part due to what I explained to my discussion partner after leaving him hanging for some time which was, “…I went out of town for circa a week and a half, was largely incommunicado and upon my return I had many emails, Google+ notifications, FB messages, YouTube comments and had a really hard time even thinking about playing catch up. Sorry that I left you hanging due to that.”

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Thus, I will post our discussion and end it where it did. The discussion pertained to evilbible.com and I posted a comment about the fact that “Large portions of evilbible.com have been considered, dissected and declared fallacious on very many levels. Two examples of this fact are as follows…” the examples and specific details can both be found on my page on evilbible.com. Following is the discussion between me and TheAtheistChef beginning with his reply:

The thing that can be drawn from the inconsistencies, is that though there is a condemnation of an act, it is in strict opposition to the times in which he supports it or tells them to do.

Ken Ammi:

Friend, I am unsure what you would have against both human sacrifice or logical fallacies yet, you seem to imply that the Bible does condemn it but that in doing so it is contradicting itself as per when God “supports it or tells them to do” but whereabouts does he do so?

TheAtheistChef:

1. Jephthas daughter in judges where he asks god if that he allows him this victory hell offer up his daughter. He then eventually sacrifices her.

2. “At the LORD’s command, a man of God from Judah went to Bethel, and he arrived there just as Jeroboam was approaching the altar to offer a sacrifice. Then at the LORD’s command, he shouted, “O altar, altar! This is what the LORD says: A child named Josiah will be born into the dynasty of David. On you he will sacrifice the priests from the pagan shrines who come here to burn incense, and human bones will be burned on you.” (1 Kings 13:1-2 NLT)
Which then 1 book later is the fulfillment of that scripture.

He [Josiah] executed the priests of the pagan shrines on their own altars, and he burned human bones on the altars to desecrate them. Finally, he returned to Jerusalem. King Josiah then issued this order to all the people: “You must celebrate the Passover to the LORD your God, as it is written in the Book of the Covenant.” There had not been a Passover celebration like that since the time when the judges ruled in Israel, throughout all the years of the kings of Israel and Judah. This Passover was celebrated to the LORD in Jerusalem during the eighteenth year of King Josiah’s reign. Josiah also exterminated the mediums and psychics, the household gods, and every other kind of idol worship, both in Jerusalem and throughout the land of Judah. He did this in obedience to all the laws written in the scroll that Hilkiah the priest had found in the LORD’s Temple. Never before had there been a king like Josiah, who turned to the LORD with all his heart and soul and strength, obeying all the laws of Moses. And there has never been a king like him since. (2 Kings 23:20-25 NLT)
“Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Now this last one isnt quite a ritualistic sacrifice, but still a command from god to kill and burn the humans/ the town and the livestock.
So I am not saying that the bible is saying that it is ok to sacrifice human beings. It is saying that in specific situations if God tells you to kill and burn, then you do it. Meanwhile he condemns doing so in other places.
If it was something he really CONDEMNED, it would NEVER be done or be encouraged by god to do.

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