The following discussion took place due to Dr. Michael S. Heiser’s vid, “Where do Evil Spirits Come From?” since a certain @earlysda commented
2:11 When he said “All of the traditions you will find are again unanimous”, any true-in-heart listener could ascertain that this man is not basing his words on biblical truth, but is just spouting worldly information.
Angels cannot marry.
So we can be certain that the Nephilim were what ancient followers of God always believed: that the righteous sons of Seth saw the wicked daughters of Cain and decided to marry them, giving rise to terrible giants.
I, @kenammi355, replied
That’s a non sequitur since you focused on “All of the traditions you will find are again unanimous” but then ignored that point and merely asserted, “Angels cannot marry.”
Also, the original, traditional, and majority view among the earliest Jewish and Christians commentators, starting in BC days, was the “Angel view” as I proved in my book, “On the Genesis 6 Affair’s Sons of God: Angels or Not?: A Survey of Early Jewish and Christian Commentaries Including Notes on Giants and the Nephilim.”
What makes you also merely assert, “righteous sons of Seth” (who were clearly not righteous) and “wicked daughters of Cain” and what makes you assert that there no female Sethites that married male Canites?
As for, “giants”: The key questions are:
What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles?
What’s your usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi -usage and modern English word “giants”?
Do those two usages agree?
@earlysda
ken, I quote Jesus, and you get upset.
The onus is on you and others who hold to this doctrine of Satan that his angels can marry humans.
@kenammi355
I didn’t realize that you quoted Jesus: can you please provide the citation and the quotation with quotation marks around it, please?
@earlysda
ken, I was referring to what I had written you on a different thread on this video.
Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
@kenammi355
BTW: it’s fascinating that I’ve asked those key questions to dozens and dozens (and dozens [and dozens]) of people who go on and on (and on [and on]) about “giants” and literally zero have replied.
Now, let’s compare:
You made the all-encompassing assertion, “Angels cannot marry.”
But Jesus was very specific in that He made a qualified statement, “angels of God in heaven.”
So, you referred to all Angels, but Jesus to Angels “of God” and “in heaven” thus, the loyal ones which is why those who did marry are considered sinners, having “left their first estate” as Jude put it.
@earlysda
Ken, Jesus said angels cannot marry.
You not only say that fallen ones can, you say that God’s chains on the evil angels are no chains at all, and that the evil angels only go after human females, and that somehow God allowed angel DNA to intermingle with human DNA.
You are in serious error on every count.
@kenammi355
Friend, you’re projecting and it may be because you just realized that your Angelology is just a man-made tradition that contradicts the Bible but then, rather than continuing to teach fallacious Angelology on the WORLD WIDE web, mind you, you really need to update your Angelology.
You once again asserted, “Jesus said angels cannot marry” but you will be unable to quote one single such statement and I already noted, “You made the all-encompassing assertion, ‘Angels cannot marry.’ But Jesus was very specific in that He made a qualified statement, ‘angels of God in heaven.’ So, you referred to all Angels, but Jesus to Angels ‘of God’ and ‘in heaven’ thus, the loyal ones which is why those who did marry are considered sinners, having ‘left their first estate’ as Jude put it.”
But you ignored all of that.
When someone, especially Jesus, speaks in qualified terms, it behooves you to be mindful of that and not repeat their statements as a vaguely generic all-encompassing assertion.
Now, since you want to move the goalpost to chains: how and when did I “say that God’s chains on the evil angels are no chains at all”?
“evil angels” don’t “go,” present tense, “after human females” but went, past tense after them.
How and when did I say “somehow God allowed angel DNA to intermingle with human DNA”?
See what I mean about you projecting when you assert, “You are in serious error on every count”? You not only manipulated Jesus’ words (maybe out of ignorance originally but now purposefully) but you manipulate my words—and invented words I never said.
Why do you have to do that just to push your view?
@earlysda
ken Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Why do you keep trying to refute Jesus’ words?
Why do you imagine that the evil angels are not bound in chains like it says in 2Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;?
Why do you say they only marry human women (and not men)?
Why are you fighting God on this matter?
@kenammi355
Since I have produced many, many videos and many, many articles and many, many books on this subject, can you inform me as to when I have ever been “trying to refute Jesus’ words” or “imagine that the evil angels are not bound in chains” or am, “are you fighting God on this matter?”?
As for, “Why do you say they only marry human women (and not men)?” I don’t, I just quote God’s word, “sons of God” males, “saw that the daughters of man” females, “they” males, “took as their wives” females, “sons of God” males, “came in to the daughters of man” females.”
That brought the discussion to and end as no more replies were forthcoming.
FYI: Dr. Heiser was credentialed and experienced but not infallible, his Nephilology wasn’t biblical, and he tended to create more problems than he solved—see these articles for examples:
Review of Amy Richter and Michael Heiser on four Enochian Watcher related women in Jesus’ genealogy
Rebuttal to Dr. Michael Heiser’s “All I Want for Christmas is Another Flawed Nephilim Rebuttal”
I also included him in my book The Scholarly Academic Nephilim and Giants: What do Scholarly Academics Say About Nephilim Giants?
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