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“Can atheists be wrong in their belief system?”

The question Can atheists be wrong in their belief system? was posted to the Quora site and led to the following discussion after Mathijs Wijers (“Hobby philosopher and critical thinker”) commented

Q: “Can atheists be wrong in their belief system?”

A: Atheist believe system:

I see no evidence for any god, therefore:

1b. I don’t believe in any gods.

Sure, we could be wrong. Prove us wrong by showing us some empirical peer-reviewed evidence…

I, Ken Ammi, replied

But friend, you’re beginning with merely jumped to mere assertions based on mere hidden assumptions.

See, before jumping to, “I see no evidence for any god, therefore…Prove us wrong by showing us some empirical peer-reviewed evidence” you need to take the very first step which is for you to justify demanding evidence and proof and to be shown and in peer-review form, on your worldview.

Mathijs Wijers

Sorry, but it’s not the atheist’s job to prove they are correct. Atheists just do not accept your god-claim, because you haven’t met the burden of proof for your claim.

Your demand for proof that your preferred flavour of fairy tale isn’t true, is an implicit admission that you have no evidence to the contrary. If you did actually have any solid evidence, you would present it, instead of endlessly beating around the bush.

On top of that, if you insist it is our job to prove the non-existence of your particular god, you commit yourself to believing in – or presenting proof of non-existence for – anything you or anyone else can think of. For example, but not excluded to:

Quezalcoatl

The flying spaghetti monster

The invisible pink unicorn

An invisible intangible dragon in my garage

A three-piece Mariachi band in my back garden

Exactly no more and no less than one unpasteurized Stilton cheese in the core of Jupiter

A number of unpasteurized Stilton cheeses in the core of Jupiter equal to or larger than two

No unpasteurized Stilton cheeses present in the core of Jupiter at all

A magnificent flying ferret responsible for maintaining the Earth’s atmosphere called Squortlebleep

A clay teapot in orbit within the rings around Saturn

Me being Yhwh Saboath, Allah El Elohim, your one true god, communicating to you through the medium of Quora

The spare tenner I keep in my wallet for emergencies

Either that, or you expose yourself as being a bit of a hypocrite.

Since you are clearly not a hypocrite (😏), I wonder… How do you manage believing that the core of Jupiter contains none, exactly one, *and* two or more unpasteurised Stilton cheeses?…

Ken Ammi

Friend, you’re talking very fast and are fast-talking so let’s slow things down systematically, as I attempted to get you to do at the outset.

You merely asserted, “Sorry, but it’s not the atheist’s job to prove they are correct” so is that because thus saith Mathijs and so all of humanity must adhere to your domgatheism?

You also conveniently ignored the positive affirmation of God’s non-existence denomination of Atheism.

Also, I noted, “But friend, you’re beginning with merely jumped to mere assertions based on mere hidden assumptions” and you merely doubled down on that.

For example, I noted, “the very first step which is for you to justify demanding evidence and proof and to be shown and in peer-review form, on your worldview” but rather than taking that very first step you merely doubled down, “you haven’t met the burden of proof for your claim” so you’re actually going backward rather than taking step number one.

But I see that you don’t even understand by sentence, “the very first step which is for you to justify demanding evidence and proof and to be shown and in peer-review form, on your worldview” which you took to have something to do with, “Your demand for proof that your preferred flavour of fairy tale isn’t true…if you insist it is our job to prove the non-existence” but I’m unsure how you got that from “the very first step which is for you to justify demanding evidence and proof and to be shown and in peer-review form, on your worldview.”

So, before jumping all the way to the bottom of your bottomless pit via the non sequitur, “an implicit admission that you have no evidence to the contrary” please take the very first step first: again, slow it down, please.

Mathijs Wijers

Sorry, but it’s not the atheist’s job to prove they are correct. Atheists just do not accept your god-claim, because you haven’t met the burden of proof for your claim.

Your demand for proof that your preferred flavour of fairy tale isn’t true, is an implicit admission that you have no evidence to the contrary. If you did actually have any solid evidence, you would present it, instead of endlessly beating around the bush.

On top of that, if you insist it is our job to prove the non-existence of your particular god, you commit yourself to believing in – or presenting proof of non-existence for – anything you or anyone else can think of. For example, but not excluded to:

Quezalcoatl

The flying spaghetti monster

The invisible pink unicorn

An invisible intangible dragon in my garage

A three-piece Mariachi band in my back garden

Exactly no more and no less than one unpasteurized Stilton cheese in the core of Jupiter

A number of unpasteurized Stilton cheeses in the core of Jupiter equal to or larger than two

No unpasteurized Stilton cheeses present in the core of Jupiter at all

A magnificent flying ferret responsible for maintaining the Earth’s atmosphere called Squortlebleep

A clay teapot in orbit within the rings around Saturn

Me being Yhwh Saboath, Allah El Elohim, your one true god, communicating to you through the medium of Quora

The spare tenner I keep in my wallet for emergencies

Either that, or you expose yourself as being a bit of a hypocrite.

Since you are clearly not a hypocrite (😏), I wonder… How do you manage believing that the core of Jupiter contains none, exactly one, *and* two or more unpasteurised Stilton cheeses?…

Ken Ammi

Friend, you’re misrepresenting Atheism—and logic. You merely asserted, “it’s not the atheist’s job to prove they are correct” but you’re still doing what I already noted to you, “conveniently ignored the positive affirmation of God’s non-existence denomination of Atheism.”

So, again, when you merely assert, “Atheists just do not accept your god-claim” you’re ignoring many of your comrades who were the original modern day Atheists.

As for, “you haven’t met the burden of proof for your claim” you’re spinning circles since I already noted, “the very first step which is for you to justify demanding evidence and proof and to be shown and in peer-review form, on your worldview.”

You clearly misread that since you incoherently merely asserted, “Your demand for proof that your preferred flavour of fairy tale isn’t true” which has nothing to do with what I said—as you just saw, again.

So, please start at the start by taking the very first step, step #1.

That brought the discussion to and end as no more replies were forthcoming.

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