Can Angels Have Sex? – With Timothy Alberino | Tough Clips is the title of a video on the Angelegend YouTube channel which is Rob Rolson’s. I included a discussion with Rob in my book The Great Nephilim Debates: Featuring Gary Wayne, T.J. Steadman, Rob Rowe, and Eric Rolson. As for Timothy Alberino: his un-biblical Nephilology contradicts the Bible five times (Genesis 7:7, 23; Hebrews 11:7; 1 Peter 3:20; and 2 Peter 2:5) by asserting a survival of Nephilim past the flood, past God, so that God failed, couldn’t get the job done, must have missed the loophole that Tim managed to figure out, and the flood was much of a waste.
Yet, this post is about a discussion that ensued when a certain @markd3250 commented as follows to that vid
There’s a difference between spirit and spiritual. Spirit is pure energy. God is spirit. The Father is absolute, perfect pure energy. Energy is a substance and can take form, and God can shape energy into whatever form he wants. He created all the angels directly himself. There are no female angels. All the angels are male, and they are the sons of God referred to in the Bible. They do not reproduce. When God created Adam, this caused a stir among the angels, because although similar to them in form, he was different in that he had a mechanical outer body that he lived in, while the angels are pure spirit. This began the questioning by the first created son, Morning Star (now known as satan or lucifer) of what their father was doing and why. However it was when God created Eve, that things changed drastically. It angered Morning Star so much, he was able to convince a third of his brothers to join him in a very vocal protest to this. Not only was Eve quite beautiful, but God had given her the ability to reproduce their own kind, which was something he had not given the angels.
The point of contention was a VERY vocal and intense “why!?” What was the purpose of this? And why was God elevating these new creatures to the same level of family as they were? They were clearly nowhere near as powerful or impressive as they were. In other words, they were simply not worthy of what God had given them. Their view was God had, and was, making a mistake. This was the foundational basis of their grievance, and it rapidly became an obsession; focusing especially on Eve. This is why Morning Star used the serpent to tempt Eve to disobey God, because if she did, that would prove his contention that these creatures were not only not worthy to be at the same level as they were, but creating Eve and giving her the ability to reproduce their own kind was a huge mistake. If he could get her to kill herself, that would prove his point beyond question, and at the same time eliminate her as well. The serpent knew full well that God doesn’t lie, and if Eve ate or even touched the fruit she would die as God said, and that’s what he wanted. It was an attempt to murder her by suicide, a hideously wicked and evil thing to do. However the angels that were protesting and rebelling forgot one very important thing; God is God. He can make whatever he wants to make, and call it whatever he wants to call it. Their rebellion showed they didn’t really care about their Father at all; they only cared about themselves. Despite their anger and the intensity of it, they weren’t allowed to openly destroy Adam and Eve, they could only tempt, because Adam and Eve both had free will and the angels are not allowed to violate that. The fact that God could establish and enforce that requirement should have given them a clue, but they chose to rebel anyways.
Since angels are beings of pure energy, they can manipulate energy as God does, but only to a point. They are not as powerful as their Father God, which is something they would have done well to remember, because now they’ve given up all that they had, and instead their inheritance will be given to those humans that Jesus has redeemed; the very creatures they so despise and claimed weren’t worthy to receive any of their inheritance.
Angels don’t have sex as flesh and blood men do, but they can replicate the energy that sex is a mechanical approximation of. All our physical actions generate energy signals that are a shadow of the full power versions in the spiritual realm. The seed of a human man is an energy form with very specific instructions embedded in it. The egg of a human female is also an energy form with a corresponding set of instructions embedded in it. When those two instruction sets combine, that initiates the construction process to create a human being. Just as the Spirit of God instilled the male instruction code set from God the Father into a seed of Mary, who gave birth to the human form we know as Jesus, so the angels can do somewhat the same thing. However the rebellious ones are limited in their knowledge of the instruction set, so while they could cause the birth of Nephilim (who were born through women of Cain’s line), they were only physically powerful, not spiritually powerful the way Jesus was.
We have literally been in the middle of a war between rebellious, disobedient angels and God, almost since the beginning when Adam was created. Their focus has been mainly on human females, and their ability to reproduce, including their babies. They do everything they’re allowed to, to defile, disrupt, degrade and interfere with it as much as possible, including the defilement and perversion of the relationships females have with males.
All of this is a diversion really, to take our attention away from God and onto ourselves, the exact same playbook that was used on Adam and Eve. Take note how that turned out for them. Turn away from it, and turn your eyes and heart to Jesus, the only begotten son of God. He was telling us the absolute truth when he said he was the way, the truth and the life, and no one comes to the Father except by and through him. He gave us one new command “A new command I give you. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.” We need to study that, use the Bible to study him, and look carefully at the description of that love Paul wrote for us in 1st Corinthians chapter 13. It begins with “Love is patient, love is kind….” It’s not about sex or any outward thing really; it’s all inward, and as Jesus said, the things he teaches are “Spirit and they are life; the flesh counts for NOTHING.” The wise will believe him, believe IN him, and follow him, but it’s our choice to do so, or not. Choose wisely.
I, @user-oq9hn7qk4j, replied
I often have to tell people who teach un-biblical Angelology “There’s a difference between spirit and spiritual” to kudos!
Jude and 2 Peter 2 combined refer to a sin of Angels, place that sin to pre-flood days and correlate it to sexual sin which occurred after the Angels, “left their first estate,” after which they were incarcerated, and there’s only a one-time fall/sin of Angels in the Bible. Thus, statements such as, “Angels don’t have sex” are mere assertions.
The original, traditional, and majority view among the earliest Jewish and Christians commentators, starting in BC days, was the “Angel view” as I proved in my book, “On the Genesis 6 Affair’s Sons of God: Angels or Not? A Survey of Early Jewish and Christian Commentaries Including Notes on Giants and the Nephilim.”
Your “When God created Adam…” story is just that: a mere story.
It’s not “Morning Star used the serpent” but that Morning Star (actually, son of the dawn) and serpent are a.k.a.s for Satan/Devil.
As for, “angels are beings of pure energy” well, it can be argued that we humans are as well on the view that matter is compressed energy. Yet, Angels are always described as looking like human males, performing physical actions, and without indication that such isn’t their ontology. See my book, “What Does the Bible Say About Angels? A Styled Angelology.”
How can you be as specific as to assert, “Nephilim…were born through women of Cain’s line”?
Friend, 98% of what you said is just made up stuff, 1% is accurate, and 1% is mistaken and merely asserted.
@markd3250
Angels don’t have sex because that function is purely a mechanical construct of flesh and blood, and angels are spirit; they are not flesh and blood.
The serpent in the garden was a flesh and blood creature; it was not Morning Star who was an angel. The serpent’s physical form was changed in an instant when God cursed it, but Morning Star was not changed like that. The serpent was his favorite creature however, and it enraged him when God changed it. This is the reason why Morning Star made it his mission to use it as his symbol/identity to continue influencing humans. It’s an act of defiance against God for what was done to the serpent. If you’ve studied human history, you’ll note how prevalent the serpent is in so many cultures and still is even today. Dragons are merely amplified serpents; amplified to be greater than any animal God made. There’s a tremendous amount of ego and defiance involved in all of this.
Satan simply means ‘accuser’, because that’s what Morning Star began to do incessantly in his grievance against us and for God making us. It’s literally a nickname, though he has been known by many names throughout human history.
The moment you tried to squirm away from the difference between angels and us, you compromised yourself and your “assertions”. Angels are not flesh and blood, period. They are spirit beings and that’s clearly stated in the Bible. We also are spirit beings, but we live in flesh and blood machines, which is different than the angels. They can appear as one of us, but they also can appear as many things, even a being of light. They can appear as fire, smoke, even just a hand in the air writing on a wall. They can also physically interact with us yet be completely invisible while doing it. The angels have been involved with us and in our affairs right from the beginning, and still very much are.
Nephilim were born through the women of Cain’s line because of who he was. Just like the serpent’s physical form being changed, so was Cain’s physical form changed. Both were changed because of the severity of what they had done. He and his line were the perfect vessels for influence by the rebellious angels. Serpent worship, satan worship, demon worship, etc. with all of it’s violence, blood and death have come down through Cain’s descendant line; even infecting and contaminating the other descendant blood lines. It’s still with us today.
I haven’t published it, but I have spent many years researching all of this and much more, including over half a century of personal experience with God and things spiritual. Not that that’s an authority necessarily, but I’m not simply making “mere assertions”.
Be careful whom you involve yourself with. Angels are terribly powerful, and the disobedient ones have become criminally insane. They are dangerous beyond description. Don’t get sidetracked in all of this; focus on Jesus and do what he commanded “As I have loved you, so you must love one another.” Follow and obey Jesus; he will lead you up the straight and narrow path, for that is the only way to the Father.
@user-oq9hn7qk4j
But friend, “Angels don’t have sex because…angels are spirit; they are not flesh and blood” is a mere assertion and I already noted, “Angels are always described as looking like human males, performing physical actions, and without indication that such isn’t their ontology” so I’m unsure why you merely ignored that demonstrable fact.
If you want to counter biblical Angelology with man-made tradition then guess with which I will side.
You merely asserted, “Angels are not flesh and blood, period” but why should I accept that bible contradicting statement just because you say so?
You then assert, “They are spirit beings and that’s clearly stated in the Bible” with zero quotations or citations. So, when, where, and how is it, “stated in the Bible”? When it refers to “ruach,” “pneuma,” or what you’re reading in your modern English Bible as “spirits”?
Indeed, “The serpent in the garden was a flesh and blood creature” and was the, “Morning Star” (which, again, you’re really misstating) “who was” not, “an angel” but was a Cherub: and you can read a physical description of Cherubim in Ezek chaps 1 and 10. Again, “It’s not Morning Star used the serpent’ but that Morning Star (actually, son of the dawn) and serpent are a.k.a.s for Satan/Devil.”
You assert, “The serpent’s physical form was changed” but there’s no indication of that.
I’m unsure what you mean by “squirm away from the difference between angels and us”: just because there are differences doesn’t mean that there aren’t similarities and, in fact, we were created “a little lower” than them.
Yes, “We also are spirit beings” but not spirits proper since “we live in flesh and blood machines” just like Angels.
You merely assert, “They can appear as one of us, but they also can appear as many things, even a being of light. They can appear as fire, smoke, even just a hand in the air writing on a wall” but that’s just a list of mere assertions.
I’m unsure why you merely (re)assert, “Nephilim were born through the women of Cain’s” AFTER I asked, “How can you be as specific as to assert, ‘Nephilim…were born through women of Cain’s line’?” as merely doubling down and just noting, “because of who he was” is a non-statement.
There’s zero indication “the serpent’s physical form being changed” there’s likewise zero indication “so was Cain’s physical form changed”: are you merely asserting without quotations nor citations because you really know that you’re just making up stuff or are parroting things you heard but realize you can’t support those stories?
It’s a mere prejudice myth to merely assert, “He and his line were the perfect vessels for influence by the rebellious angels. Serpent worship, satan worship, demon worship, etc. with all of it’s violence, blood and death have come down through Cain’s descendant line; even infecting and contaminating the other descendant blood lines,” etc., etc., etc.
It’s actually very, very simple: just quote and cite God’s Word based on, “many years researching…over half a century of personal experience” and I will accept that I’m in error.
Now, here are other points you merely ignored:
Jude and 2 Peter 2 combined refer to a sin of Angels, place that sin to pre-flood days and correlate it to sexual sin which occurred after the Angels, “left their first estate,” after which they were incarcerated, and there’s only a one-time fall/sin of Angels in the Bible. Thus, statements such as, “Angels don’t have sex” are mere assertions.
The original, traditional, and majority view among the earliest Jewish and Christians commentators, starting in BC days, was the “Angel view” as I proved in my book, “On the Genesis 6 Affair’s Sons of God: Angels or Not? A Survey of Early Jewish and Christian Commentaries Including Notes on Giants and the Nephilim.”
Your “When God created Adam…” story is just that: a mere story.
@markd3250
I’m not going to go into exhaustive detail on all of this because I don’t see the value. You have some very strange ideas, you who like to accuse and call things “assertions”. (By the way, you do know that the word “satan” means accuser don’t you? And the accuser is an angel?) Do you know whom your influences are?
I’m not really concerned with whether or not you’re “in error” because the subject and topic isn’t one that’s fruitful to pursue.
However, here’s a few for you though:
Matthew 28:2-4 “There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men.” (flesh and blood doesn’t appear as lightning)
Hebrews 1:7 “In speaking of the angels he says, “He makes his angels spirits, and his servants flames of fire.”
Hebrews 1:14 “Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?” (While they CAN appear as men, that’s just an appearance. They are spirit and have incredibly more power than we who actually are flesh and blood.)
Isaiah 14:12 “How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!” (He’s not talking about a flesh and blood being.)
John 6:63 (Jesus speaking) “The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you — they are spirit and life.”
Revelation 22:16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.” (Jesus who is the only begotten son, has now taken the position that the first created son held, and now Jesus is the Morning Star)
Genesis 3:14 “So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this, Cursed are you above all livestock and all wild animals. You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life.” (The serpent was NOT Morning Star or an angel. The serpent was an animal; a flesh and blood animal who, after the curse had to crawl on its belly as a form of movement. That indicates something it did not have to do before it was cursed. Sounds like a change of appearance and form to me.)
And a last quote as a caution:
Colossians 2:18 “Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind.”
Turn your focus to Jesus and follow him, rather than putting so much time into angels. The obedient ones would be the first to tell you this. It doesn’t matter that you wrote a book or think you have it figured out. That’s not going to save you or impress God. The LAST thing you want to hear is for Jesus to say “I never knew you” even after you boasted about writing a book about angels. They’re not going to lead you into having a spiritual mind; only the Holy Spirit of God can do that, and he isn’t going to lead you into focusing on angels.
Turn to the Lord, and maybe work on writing a book about walking the straight and narrow path with Jesus instead. I’ll let you have the last word here because I know you’re simply going to have to. Be careful though; what you think you know and what you’re saying is not the straight and narrow path, and if you’re not on that path, all other ways lead to destruction.
@user-oq9hn7qk4j
It’s fascinating that you accused me of accusing you and then turned the scare tactic up a notch by pointing out that “the word ‘satan’ means accuser” as if that means anything: Jesus accused people of things all the time, there’s literally nothing wrong with that when it’s done viably. I pointed out that you asserted when you asserted so a best practice would be for you to look at those instances and fill them in with data. But since you accused then who are your influences? Since Jesus accused who were His?
As for, “satan…the accuser is an angel?” no, he’s a Cherub (Ezekiel 28:14)
You noted, “flesh and blood doesn’t appear as lightning” only after taking a text out of context to make a pretext for a prooftext since you appear to think that a lightning bolt wearing clothes moved the stone but since, “appearance was like lightning” is followed directly by, “his clothes were white as snow” that informs you that he and his clothes were stunning shockingly brightly white.
As for, Hebrews 1, you noted, “they CAN appear as men, that’s just an appearance” even though there’s no indication of that in the entire Bible. But the problem is that you’re only reading one single version, one single English version, and are basing your Angelology on one single word—and a poorly translated one. If you check more than one version, you’ll see that many rightly translate as “winds” rather than “spirits”: and they don’t do that by flipping a coin. You don’t seem to be aware that Heb 1 was quoting and commenting on Psalm 104:4 and you can tell by the whole context of the whole Psalm that since it’s constantly referring to natural phenomena then that informs us to translate as “winds.”
You say, “not talking about a flesh and blood being” based on “How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!” but that’s a non sequitur since there’s nothing about falling from heaven, possessing titles such as morning start and son of the dawn, being case down to earth, and laying low the nations that results in “not talking about a flesh and blood being.”
John 6:63, Revelation 22:16 obviously have nothing to do with this.
If you actually read every instance of the usage of “morning star” or “star of the morning,” etc., in the Bible you’ll see that it’s always used as a term denoting authority. “The serpent was NOT…an angel” correct since, again, he’s a Cherub in that context. As for, “The serpent was an animal” well, Rev chaps 12 and 20 note, “the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan.” As for, “a flesh and blood animal who, after the curse had to crawl on its belly as a form of movement” it’s not a case of that it, “Sounds like a change of appearance and form” to you but if you actually look up every time that terms such as eating dust appear in the Bible you’ll see that it’s always used as a term denoting being humbled such as due to a fall, etc.
You then tell me what I’m allowed and not allowed to study in God’s Word but no thanks: I will study everything God told us, not only what you think I should. And that you think that I’m lost because I study God’s Word about an issue about which you don’t care what God said (even though you accuse and argue about it) is shockingly ungraceful: please repent.
That brought the discussion to an end as no more replies were forthcoming.
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