Atheists on: some humans who believe we’re apes claim we’re apes ergo, we’re apes

The following was one of those fast moving live chats to a video found here.

It pertained to evolution, and featured Atheist evolutionists.

Some are statements I made about things being stated and some were back and forths with other commentators.

I, Ken Ammi, noted:

If humans are accidentally existing apes then it does not matter since there would be no universal imperative to believe it.

Based on an Atheist evolutionists stating something about reconstructing bones, skulls, skeletons, etc., I noted:

“doing out best” and also manipulating evidence due to a worldview bias.

Continuing, along those lines, I noted:

Skull, fine [since one was being shown so that we could actually look at it, it was actual evidence], but skin color, hair/fur color (style, length), lips, eyeballs, etc., etc., etc., don’t fossilize.

A certain kreo debunk replied thusly to me:

@Ken Ammi we can figure out sometimes at least hair/fur color

I, in turn, replied:

@kreo debunk Which only gets us a nice sculpture.

Again to a statement on the live video, I noted:

“other animals”? Humans are not animals.

A certain German Furman replied:

@Ken Ammi You got a peer reviewed paper saying humans aren’t of the kingdom Animalia?

Ken Ammi:

@German Furman Are peer reviewed papers infallible?

German Furman:

@Ken Ammi So, you don’t have anything to back up your baseless assertion, expected

Now, my regular readers know that I’m a big believer in staying focused and thus, on point thus, I replied:

@German Furman So what is your answer?

German Furman:

@Ken Ammi That you are a perfect example of why the western education system is broken

Ken Ammi:

@German Furman Your answer, please.

German Furman:

@Ken Ammi if you don’t like my answer, collapse

Ken Ammi:

@German Furman The question was whether peer reviewed papers are infallible, you did not answer.

German Furman:

@Ken Ammi If you had the means to disprove the fact that humans are part of the kingdom Animalia you would have presented it by now

Ken Ammi:

@German Furman Still not answering.

German Furman:

@Ken Ammi pot calling the kettle black, much?

Ken Ammi:

@German Furman Answer please.

German Furman:

@Ken Ammi You first

Ken Ammi:

@German Furman Please answer the question.

German Furman ceased replying.

Meanwhile, a certain DynaCatlovesme had commented:

@Ken Ammi I’ll bite. No, they are not infallible.

Ken Ammi:

@DynaCatlovesme Indeed, so asking me to provide a paper just to handwavingly dismiss it is a waste of time.

DynaCatlovesme:

@Ken Ammi Incorrect. Every true conclusion in science will have a peer-reviewed paper demonstrating how that conclusion was arrived at.

Ken Ammi:

@DynaCatlovesme None of that matters on Atheism. Point stands: I’m being asked for a paper that would seemingly simply be dismissed.

Meanwhile, I made more comments about the live video feed.

Ken Ammi:

Some humans who believes we’re apes claim we’re apes ergo, we’re apes???

Ken Ammi:

Erika sounds so very good———-while utterly missing her own point.

Ken Ammi:

Just when one person demand humans are apes, another demands humans are not apes but are related to apes which well, makes us apes: just of a slightly different sort.

Ken Ammi:

“That common ancestor” is an unobserved, unevidenced, unproved, crypto-zoological mythical chimera.

Ken Ammi:

Evolution is a form of crypto-zoology.

Ken Ammi:

Biology is a science, evolution is a worldview philosophical interpretation of biology.

Ken Ammi:

Again, if we’re accidentally existing apes then there’s no universal imperative to believe we’re accidentally existing apes.

DynaCatlovesme:

@Ken Ammi 2nd time you wrote that, 2nd time it make no sense at all.

Ken Ammi:

@DynaCatlovesme Well, on Atheism: truth is accidental, as is our ability to discern it, there’s no universal imperative to adhere to it, nor to demand others do so either.

DynaCatlovesme:

@Ken Ammi Wut?

Ken Ammi:

@DynaCatlovesme Atheists assert that the universe is accidental ergo, truth is accidental.

DynaCatlovesme:

@Ken Ammi Wut?

Ken Ammi:

@DynaCatlovesme Atheists assert that the universe is accidental ergo, truth is accidental.

DynaCatlovesme:

@Ken Ammi Accidents require an intention, so, your just saying gibberish.

Ken Ammi:

@DynaCatlovesme So do you want to replace that word with another that has the same usage. Is that how you seek to avoid the issue?

That, by the way, is a very, very, very typical Atheist tactic du jour. Also, how do “Accidents require an intention” since an accident implies the exact 100% opposite of intention? That’s what make an accident an accident—accidents are accidentally accidental.

In any case, DynaCatlovesme lost interest.

I noted that a certain Blue Devil noted:

Evolution is the foundational basis for biology. We have biology because of evolution.

Ken Ammi:

@Blue Devil Are you referring to Atheistic evolution?

Blue Devil:

@Ken Ammi I’m referring to Evolution.

Ken Ammi:

@Blue Devil What sort?

Blue Devil:

@Ken Ammi There’s only one sort. Evolution.

Ken Ammi:

@Blue Devil The Atheist version has life being accidental and so all that follows, such as that interpretation of evolution, being accidental as well.

Blue Devil:

@Ken Ammi There are no versions. There’s just evolution.

Ken Ammi:

@Blue Devil Are you aware of “Neo-Darwinism”?

Blue Devil:

@Ken Ammi Yes.

Ken Ammi:

@Blue Devil How about “Evo-Devo”?

Blue Devil:

@Ken Ammi What does any of this have to do with the change in allele frequency of populations over time?

Ken Ammi:

@Blue Devil That Atheists will tell you it’s accidental.

Blue Devil:

@Ken Ammi The frequency of alleles changes in populations over time. That is evolution. It’s a fact. It’s not up for debate.

Ken Ammi:

@Blue Devil On Atheism facts are accidental.

Blue Devil:

@Ken Ammi That has nothing to do with anything.

A certain zemorph42 noted:

@Ken Ammi Blue Devil is correct. The person’s ideology is usually irrelevant to the theory.

Yet, that was the end of the video stream so I commented:

SHALOM everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Of course, the assertion that “The person’s ideology is usually irrelevant to the theory” is tricky. Theories are often utterly based on ideologies. In fact, some seek to arrive at theories strictly based on ideology—such as theories about humans being apes premised on a belief and desire to view humans as apes.

 

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