Such was part of a statement posted by to the video A Christian Response to Atheism by the “Matt Powell OFFICIAL” Youtube channel
A certain @positronichypersonic4928 commented
So, a rock can’t come out of nowhere. That would be magic, which doesn’t exist. Ok. Where did God come from? Nowhere, right? Who made God? No one, right? Hmmm. Sounds like magic. Oh, no, I know, God is God and can defy that logic of needing an origin, a creator. He can exist without an origin, a creator. Says who? Why should I believe them? You’re an idiot.
I, @kenammi355, replied
So, “a rock can’t come out of nowhere” but do you believe that the entire universe came out of nowhere?
“magic” whatever that means, “doesn’t exist” is a merely asserted positive affirmation.
Indeed, when we are dealing with existence without time, space, and matter then it’s cogent that God came from nowhere–which is actually incoherent since it’s a faulty premise since God didn’t come from anywhere to begin with.
As for the last statements, note that your premise is, “logic” but how and why is there some sort of implied universal imperative to adhere to logic, on your worldview?
@positronichypersonic4928
so I’m not really sure I understood what the Hell you were saying but here’s the point. If a rock can’t have come out of nowhere and the universe can’t have come out of nowhere then how can it be that God can have come out of nowhere? It can’t be. And if it can be then why can’t it be that the universe did? Believing that anything including God came out of nowhere and didn’t have a creator is either insane or it isn’t. If it is then it’s just as insane to believe in a God that didn’t have a creator as it is to believe in a universe that didn’t. If it isn’t, then, fine, it isn’t, and we can believe the universe came out of nowhere.
@kenammi355
Well:
“a rock” and “the universe” and “God” are different categories of phenomena so you wanting to mash them all together is fallacious.
Since they are different categories of phenomena then one can do things the others cant: for example, you can make “rock soup” but not “universe soup” nor “God soup.”
Likewise, it’s unknown that a rock can “come out of nowhere” and there are theories about how the universe can “come out of nowhere” and it’s a non issue when it comes to God.
Now, when it comes to the universe what’s unknown (or, also unknown) is how it can come out of nowhere without a cause since what is known is that everything that begins to exist has a cause.
But note that you began with merely jumped to conclusion of an assertion since you’re basing your demands about what can and can’t be on logic or else claiming insanity but the very first step is for you to justify adhering to logic, on your worldview.
In other words, on your worldview logic is accidental, as is our ability to adhere to it, there’s no universal imperative to adhere to it, nor for demanding that others adhere to it.
Therefore, you’re disqualified from rejecting a view because (you subjectively and mistakenly) merely assume it’s illogical.
That brought the discussion to and end as no more replies were forthcoming.
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