Atheist claims I play childish word games am dishonest & have an imaginary friend

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The following discussion took placed due to my video Atheist vs Christian on the laws of logic Bible Thumping Wingnut Show. I previously posted my discussion therein with a certain “Osama BinLaden” (find all segments of that discussion here.

The following discussion took placed due to my video Atheist vs Christian on the laws of logic Bible Thumping Wingnut Show. I previously posted my discussion therein with a certain “Osama BinLaden” (find all segments of that discussion here. Well, a couple more people chimed in to that discussion which I am posting herein.

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nickj14711 chimed in with
Sorry ken but anyone who needs these childish word games because they cannot rely on credible evidence is being dishonest. Your friend will be as imaginary as the other 4200 gods claimed until you can provide credible evidence of such a being and I condemn dishonesty based on the on only moral standard that we have credible evidence of which is societally based subjective moral values based on the combined experience of hundreds of millions of people over 100,000 years as addmittedly imperfect as that is. Why cant you justify christian morality? Isnt christian morality merely the subjective moral values of bronze age peasents which explains why its so immoral? Why are christians amongst the least moral of people in society?

Ken Ammi
I am very familiar with the Atheist tactic of running away from inconvenient issues whilst yelling “childish word games.”
You claim that I am being dishonest without proof. And since your condemnation of such is based on random bio-chemical reactions in your brain which you use so as to claim to access and interpret reality/empirical truth. Yet, you just discredited your own pseudo-premise since you appealed to “societally based subjective moral values” which means that what was “moral” yesterday could be “immoral” today and visa versa so that leaves us in the constant flux of the zeitgeist.
Rather, what “the combined experience of hundreds of millions of people” is that there is agreement as to the absolute ethos/ethics regardless of chronology, geography, theology or lackthereof: this is why you are playing truth, logic and ethic police even whilst your worldview provides you no premised upon which to do any of it.
Thus, why would I bother even attempting to “justify christian morality” since that just describes what people happen to be doing. Christian ethics is that which everyone agrees upon all of the time. And, rather than merely asserting that Christians are “amongst the least moral of people in society” you will have to prove it.
Also, referring to God as an imaginary friend is a category error. And, please define “credible evidence” so that I will know what would count as such. Lastly, “bronze age peasents” denotes a logical generic fallacy.

nickj14711
WOW. Is this the death of CHRISTIANITY? To see them pitifully needing childish word games because they can’t provide CREDIBLE EVIDENCE is rather hillarious!

Ken Ammi
Friend, it is very common for people who cannot handle reasoned discourse to run away whilst yelling “word games!” But you make an interesting statement and I would like to ask what is “CREDIBLE EVIDENCE” what would that look like, what would count as that, etc.?

Nick Jones chimed in with
Ken Ammi yea ken and it seems ever more evident that when Christians are exposed as nor having a single scrap of credible evidence to support their childish claims of a god they need to resort to childish word games like Durbin does. Wanna try em? As for CREDIBLE EVIDENCE well both words are defined in the dictionary. I would suggest the scientific method has been the best and most reliable method we’ve ever found of establishing fact from fiction UNLESS you can suggest a more effective method. Just something testable demonstrable independently verifiable and FALSIFIABLE. Just the same standard of evidence as for any other claim. Is it fair to ask for the same standard of evidence as for any other claim? I will even allow baseless assertion if you can show a causel link. Can I possibly be any fairer? Does your god have any physical affect on this universe and if not then how is he distinguishable from a god that dousnt exist?

Ken Ammi
Friend, I often find that when Atheists recognize that their worldview utterly fails them, as it does form the get-go, they seek to avoid inconvenient issues by asserting “childish word games.” In writing to me you are demanding adherence to truth, logic and ethics and your worldview provides you no premise upon which to base any of them which is why you are forced to beg, borrow and steal from mine.
Now, of course, I rely on the theistically premised scientific method but note that it may be the “most reliable method we’ve ever found of establishing fact from fiction” only on certain issues. Science is a tool that was designed to explore the material/physical realm so we cannot pretend that it is omni – science.
You should be aware that falsifiability is recommendation, not a law, and is opposed by some scientists. In fact, by your standard of “testable demonstrable independently verifiable and FALSIFIABLE” you just set evolution outside of the realm of science.
On an Atheistic worldview, your questions are a waste of time as survival matters (for some unknown reason) and not necessarily truth: I mean why do you care what a temporarily and accidentally existing bio-organism believes?
The universe had a beginning and whatever caused it is qualifiable as God.

Nick Jones
WOW LOL Why on earth would I need YOUR worldview to justify ANYTHING? Why would I lower my moral standards to borrow ANYTHING from you? you state…. The universe had a beginning and whatever caused it is qualifiable as God .Really? Cos there is 1000 or vastly more things that are more credible than your god as explanations of the formation of the universe. A natural function of the singularity that we dont yet understand would be my guess. Or My cat inventing a time machine in 5 years time, going back in time after a dodgy curry and farting the universe out of his arse! Both are more credible than your god claim. ‘Why would I need my worldview of humanism to justify ANYTHING? I can certainly use it to justify morality?ethics whilst christians cant. I certainly can justify truth logic and ethics sonny. Why would I need my worldview to do it? ANd why cant YOU justify truth logic and morality? Why cant you justify induction? If youre a christian you have absolutely no justification for claiming tomorrow will be the same as today can you? You dont know that gravity will exist tomorrow do you?

Ken Ammi
Friend, your worldview does not provide you the premise upon which to hold me to standards of truth, ethics, or logic. And part of the proof of is that you opted for ridicule, you opted to merely asserting that it does. And that fact that you are willing to appeal to “A natural function of the singularity that we dont yet understand” proves that you live by “faith.”
Lastly, the scientific method is premised upon the Judeo-Christian theology upon which is based the concept that tomorrow will be the same as today in terms of induction. However, your worldview cannot justify that as it claims constant flux and random chance accidents. Atheism offers you no explanation for yesterday, no meaning for today and no hope for tomorrow. You can do better than that.

nickj14711
WOW. Is this the death of CHRISTIANITY? To see them pitifully needing childish word games because they can’t provide CREDIBLE EVIDENCE is rather hillarious!

Ken Ammi
Well friend, “the death of CHRISTIANITY” has been predicted by enemies of it for millennia so you are late to the game. Now, I often find that when Atheist cannot answer a simple question they run away screaming “word games”! rather than engaging in reasoned discourse. Thus, that Atheist in this comment section “can’t provide” a definition of “CREDIBLE EVIDENCE is rather hilarious!”

nickj14711
LOL why the hell would My worldview of humanism need to justify those things? Truth is justified by the dictionary definition, Logic is a human descriptive concept that demonstrably works and so we will keep using it until it dousnt and as for ethics LOL LOL LOL I dont think a christian is in ANY POSITION to question anybodies ethics considering your track record. I can justify my morality……can You? As for ridicule…..the ridiculous is worthy of ridicule BY DEFINITION! YOU STATE,,,, “A natural function of the singularity that we dont yet understand” proves that you live by “faith. Errr nope. Where did I claim that – that WAS the explanation? Please copy and paste where I claimed that. It is certainly more plausible than your god claim isnt it? Please tell me what faith I need to suggest a possibility and not a solution? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha why the hell would I need christian theology to have a reasonable expectation that tomorrow will be similar today? Come on tell me…..why would I need your god for that? Come on tell me…..why would I need your god for that? Come on tell me…..why would I need your god for that? Come on tell me…..why would I need your god for that? Come on tell me…..why would I need your god for that? YOU STATE….Atheism offers you no explanation for yesterday, no meaning for today and no hope for tomorrow No it doesnt. I must agree with you. Thats the first correct thing youve said! When did anybody claim it DID OR EVEN ATTEMPT TO? You claim my worldview of humanism claims constant flux and random chance accidents. WHAT?WHERE does humanism claim that? Please tell me…..am I in a parralell universe? Where the hell does humanism claim THAT?
Sadly I think you’re right. Christianity will not totally die untill everyone on the planet gets adequate education and mostly while you are allowed to indoctrinate your innocent children , which is the only way your cult keeps going!
Sure we can answer simple questions. Why don’t you have a go with this presup bull[****] with ME instead of against someone whose Ill prepared for your childish word games!
Go on….give it a go! See what happens to you! Lol.

Ken Ammi
Friend, you seem to be experiencing some emotional problems and are certainly confusing and confounding many things. I know that humanism does not and cannot justify those things but, by the way, grammatical dictionaries define words and do not justify anything but word usage. When we refer to logic we are referring to a human descriptive concept that describes something that is not of human invention but only of human discovery. You say that logic “demonstrably works and so we will keep using it until it dousnt” which is something I never once claimed. I have just been pointing out that logic pre-existed humans and is premised upon a mind.
You can justify your “morality” but not your “ethics” when morality is properly defined as pertaining to the mores and ethics to the ethos.
Sorry about the “A natural function of the singularity that we dont yet understand” thing that was by another “nick…” with whom I was interacting.
If you do not need Christian theology to have a reasonable expectation that tomorrow will be similar today then please provide your premise for expecting as much.
I am glad that we agree with my observation of Atheism.
Since humanism is premised upon naturalism, materialism, Atheism, evolutionism, etc., then, by definition, it claims constant flux and random chance accidents which means that you view yourself as a temporarily and accidentally existing bio-organism.
Which brings us full circle with you condemning indoctrination without a premise.

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