Ken Ammi Dude, I’ve said it a hundred time. Use bigger paragraphs. It’s easy to get lost in all the mess. Like how I do please. There r no facts about morality. There r no absolute morals, ethos, etc. If there r- u would be able to derive them from somewhere that isn’t just our opinions. There r facts when it comes to consequences of actions- such as cutting off someone’s head causing death- but the outcome of that action (death) being regarded as bad is our opinion. Like I said, I can condemn if we agree on a basis such as human flourishing. I’ve already explained this though and won’t repeat myself. The problem with ur morality is that it doesn’t exist. That’s the whole point. There is no transcendent morality guiding us. If there is- I’d be happy to give it a whirl yet u have no means to derive it. I have already conceded that human flourishing being good is my opinion. This promotes the most happiness for everyone- if we work together to achieve this- it brings forth the best outcome for all of us. Again, if u have any better ideas- please give them. How r u deriving ur ‘objective’ morality? I’m happy u brought up the Nazi’s and the problem of a higher law. Under any normal circumstances, near enough all Germans would have condemned Hitler’s actions. But because they were indoctrinated to believe that what they were doing was just, because their dictator said so, they just went along with it. Exact same with ur god. U would condemn most of his atrocities in the bible but because u have been indoctrinated to believe ur god is divine and perfect, u condone the same kind of genocide. Will we make mistakes when it comes to morality? Of course. U need not look further than our past to see that. But we r the best we have. Like I said, it’s not about whose morality is better- it’s about which of ours actually exist. And my worldview- if we have established that human flourishing is good and unnecessary suffering as bad- I can also call it objectively bad under that standard. What do u define as good or bad? Is whatever god says or is good? Like I said, under this definition was okay with slavery or rape, these things would not be bad but good. This would be true- by definition. The problem is- how do u know what god is or says? How do u derive objective morality? We’ve pointed out the problems in the bible- and that ‘knowing in ur heart’ is not only still subjective- but can’t account for things we have disagreed on, or still do disagree on. I am pro choice, yes. I believe in a woman’s right to her own bodily autonomy. U wouldn’t force a parent to give up their kidney to save their child, u should be consistent and not force her to give up her uterus either. If a 16 year old girl is raped by her father- I would consider it immoral to force her to have the child. I also don’t consider a feotus having the same rights as someone actually living, It isn’t conscious. It’s not the same as a baby. To put this into perspective I would as u this question. If u could only save one, which would u save- one living, breathing child or a dozen feotuses? I would assume the child. I put a woman’s bodily autonomy over a feotus. It’s not being aborted for no reason. Sort of like how u would condone an army soldier to shoot a child if it was running towards it’s squad members with a grenade. Note; if u get ur objective morality from the bible- it also condones abortion. If u think ur wife has been unfaithful- just take her to a priest and he’ll give her some dirty water potion to drink that’ll abort it. The processes in our brain is not random… Of course u will repeat the same strawman argument though cause u never listen. Like I said, I matter to me. People matter to me and other people. We need only care about our own lives for them to matter. We don’t need to have some magic sky daddy to tell us we matter in order for us to matter. Human value, with or without a god would be subjective regardless because value itself is subjective. I should note that by ‘evil’, I just mean unjust suffering. Such as a child dying needlessly of cancer. U have not answered the question- simply asserted that god may have a reason for letting the child suffer. U forget that he’s all powerful though? So surely, he would be able to find a better way for whatever reason he has for letting the kid die of cancer. The classic ‘god works in mysterious ways’ line is just the last gasp theists use for ‘I don’t know, it does sound stupid and contradictory but I’m sure he has a reason’. Maybe it’s just because it is contradictory and stupid… Again, if ur god is all powerful and all loving, he would find a better way than letting that child suffer. He either isn’t strong enough to get rid of cancer or doesn’t care enough. Either way- this makes him either not all powerful or not all loving. Again, u simply flip the question onto me. Ur worldview is still full of contradictions whilst with mine, I have been humble enough to admit that everything isn’t perfect- but it’s the best we got. All we have to do is care about our own lives to matter to us. U may be good to go to heaven and not be bad to avoid hell. Well, I do the same- except for here on Earth. I am good to try and make my current life on Earth as ‘heavenly’ as possible. I am not bad to avoid ‘hell’ on Earth where everyone rapes and kills each other. if people r nice to other people, they tend to reciprocate. It contains the same principles u believe in- except I can actually demonstrate my worldview to exist. Even if I’m not here forever, I can at least enjoy the time I am here for.
Friend, I am not trading essays anymore so here is the key issue this time: you assert “There r no absolute morals, ethos, etc.” so you are 100% disqualified from condemning anything whatsoever.
Well, that was the end of it as he never replied again.
FYI: I read a description of a concept by philosopher René Girard as “Mimetic desire is a kind of infectious desire that results from wanting what other people want simply because they want it. Desiring what someone else wants leads to rivalry (unless there is a surplus), and eventually to violence.”
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