Another round of the “heinous crimes of all organized religion” vs. Atheists

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On Facebook, I posted a link to my article Discussion the “heinous crimes of all organized religion” 1 of 6

My FB resident Atheist antagonist, Charlie Reid, commented
I’m starting to think you have some real issues mate. Even when you are told repeatedly how reality works you are unable to retain any of that information. Governments are historically religious, and mostly still are today, your own president has bible studies for crying out loud. I understand you’ve you’ve probably never left your county but do you not watch the news? Do i need to list every country where religion is instrumental in policy making? How many times do you have be told something obvious and factual before your cognitive faculties accept it? Never i fear!

I, True Freethinker, replied
On your worldview nothing that you or I or the Why-man states matters.
Also, you clearly just utterly ignore the historical facts that he posted.
The worse part of your ignorance is that you are so very assured that your imagination base view of reality is correct.
I am unsure what the fact that I have been to circa six countries has anything to do with it.
Also, if Trump is a Christian than that is news to me—FYI: just because a person has Bible studies does not mean that they are a Christian. You seem to be gullible enough to think that a Christian is one who self-identifies as such. Yet, that this is incorrect has been well known for two millennia.
You do not seem to understand that just because a religious government takes an action such as warring, that does not mean that the war is a religious one.
Perhaps your fellow #Atheist Michael Shermer can help you out since he wrote:
“I am not convinced by Dawkins’s argument that without religion there would be ‘no suicide bombers, no 9/11, no 7/7, no Crusades, no witch-hunts, no Gunpowder Plot, no Indian partition, no Israeli/Palestinian wars, no Serb/Croat/Muslim massacres, no persecution of Jews as ‘Christ-killers,’ no Northern Ireland ‘troubles’….’ In my opinion, many of these events-and others often attributed solely to religion by atheists-were less religiously motivated than politically driven, or at the very least involved religion in the service of political hegemony.”

Charlie Reid
There you go claiming to know my worldview again, you are ignorance personified mate, quite sad you cant justify anything you say.
It sounds like you think a religious war is two groups fighting over who’s invisible sky daddy is the best. Have you ever heard of sharia? Do you understand ideologies dictate actions? Doubt you can grasp anything not already indoctrinated.
So in your topsy turvy world someone who claims to be a christian isn’t and neither are people who study the bible and pray to the god of that bible? Presumably your interpretation of whichever bible version you deem to be inerrant dictates others positions? Basically your book makes you god!
Shermer disagrees with Dawkins, so what?

Regarding “claiming to know my worldview again” well, we have had many, many, many, many discussion so yeah, I know his worldview.

Clifford Chapman commented this to Charlie
At least you’re starting to think.

Charlie replied thusly to Clifford
i can justify any position i hold, instantly!

Now, the claim “i can justify any position i hold, instantly!” has become a Charlie classic. For example, I have asked him to justify his demand for evidence dozens of dozens of dozens (of dozens) of times and he not only fails but does not even attempt it.
Thus, I keep reminding him that he claimed he can “justify any position i hold, instantly!—which, by the way, is terrifying—and he has yet to even attempt it.

In any case, the discussion continued as Clifford replied thusly to Charlie
Yeah but that’s not difficult when faced with buffoonery on True Freethinker’s level.

So, perhaps he was initially offering Charlie a terribly stated compliment of sorts. Yet, in any case, I was their common target now.

Charlie was all to pleased to meet a comrade and told Clifford—who, by the way, did not address me nor anything I stated
over the years Truefreethinker(oxymoron) has been unable to justify any of his idiotic assertions.

Clifford replied thusly to him
He’s got a whole site all to himself. If he only but understood irony.

Charlie to Clifford
they don’t do irony due to the fact christians find it difficult to differentiate fact from fiction, they have difficulty with analogies too.

Clifford to Charlie
I don’t think they do sanity.

I hated, not really, to break up their anti-Christian support group but chimed in with
Seems that Charlie is taking advantage of Clifford’s ignorance (as I predicted was one of Charlie’s tactics).
Now, if you “can justify any position i hold, instantly!” why have you been unable to justify any position for years now?
I have asked you to justify your demand for evidence as well having asked how does your worldview 1) provide a premise for truth, logic, and ethics, 2) for adhering to them, and 3) for demanding that others do likewise? You consistently fail and you seem to think that personal attacks make up for it.

I also wrote
Charlie’s claim, “i can justify any position i hold, instantly!”
My request, “justify your demand for evidence as well having asked how does your worldview 1) provide a premise for truth, logic, and ethics, 2) for adhering to them, and 3) for demanding that others do likewise?”
Apparently “instantly!” means over a week now and Clifford lacks the basic level integrity to hold you accountable—welcome to in-group thinking among Atheists.

Clifford to Charlie
Apparently, according to this intellectual pygmy, I lack the ‘basic level integrity to hold you accountable.’
That’s their Christian love for you, poison and venom spat out because you see through and reject their mumbo-jumbo. A plague on this religious scourge. that so demeans mankind.

Charlie to Clifford
he is so arrogant in his ignorance it’s quite repulsive, “basic level integrity to hold you accountable” presumes you disagree with me but are too dishonest to tell me.
His level of cognitive dissonance is off the charts, void of rationale and caught up in his circular presup world.
At least Bahnsen, and more recently Bruggencate, had some dignity as they admit presupposing god exists is not an argument, merely a way to try and dishonestly silence the skeptic. True Freethinker is the ultimate oxymoron.

Clifford to Charlie
Spot on. When I first stumbled upon this egotistical buffoon, I fondly imagined he had rejected political and religious isms, only to find he had the audacity to self-aggrandise, bestowing his oxymoronic moniker upon himself as if it gives credence and authority to his intellectual cant.

Charlie to Clifford
over the years he has tried to present evidence for; 6000 year old earth, Noahs ark location, parting of the red sea, objective morals, crusifiction …. all of which fell woefully short of convincing a child, and he knows that, so he is reduced to this dishonest form of apologetic as he actually knows his god doesn’t exists but his indoctrination suppresses that knowledge.

Clifford to Charlie
The astounding nonsense that religion is, is shown when you simply swap one supernatural creation for another,thus presenting to believers the fact that their nonsensical god is identical to, let’s say, Santa Claus.
They would find proposing that we start worshipping this entity, and even build huge places of worship, and so on, acts of madness, all the while blithely and seemingly unaware that their god figure is identical in every way. Joseph Heller’s ‘Catch 22’ has it right. You cannot know you are insane.

Charlie to Clifford
he doesn’t understand how a worldview is attained and that it will change as we grow and learn. The biggest issue is he cant grasp not believing in his particular sky daddy is not part of a worldview.
This isn’t merely because of Romans 1:19 as he once argued he would consider Dracula’s non existence if he was in Transylvania therefore i must consider god in mine.

Clifford to Charlie
Even on a primitive and basic level of common sense, you wouldn’t conceive it possible for any adult ever to seriously believe in Noah’s Ark, it is that preposterous.
The absurdity of the postulation in the first place obviously labels it a wow miracle, designed solely to impress and indoctrinate a perceived, inferior and uneducated populace.

Note that neither are replying to me—since they are unwilling or unable—and are not addressing the issues but are just being childish aka Atheism 101.

True Freethinker to Clifford
Friend, you are clearly an extremely emotive person so let us focus on facts: he claimed he could instantly justify anything, I requested that he do so, he failed, you had nothing to say.
A person interested in integrity would have replied to Charlie that he claimed he could instantly justify anything, I requested that he do so, he failed so that he should either make an attempt or else take it back.

True Freethinker to Charlie
You are just dancing around the facts: you claimed you could instantly justify anything, I requested that you do so, you failed.

Charlie Reid to me
your questions have been answered by me and everyone you are too indoctrinated to accept or even acknowledge people don’t need a book of fairy tales to know things. I know i am not your god and i’ve explained how i KNOW, not just believe this, what don’t you understand about how i came to that fact?

True Freethinker to Clifford
Besides that you are clearly desperate to avoid issues that are inconvenient to your worldview, you are missing the point: how does your worldview provide you a premise for condemning seriously believing in Noah’s Ark, preposterous claims, absurdity, indoctrination, lack of educated, and anything else you have and may yet emotively list?

True Freethinker to Charlie
You claimed you could instantly justify anything, I am still waiting—and Clifford is still ignoring this fact (likely due to in-group group-think).

Charlie Reid
you really have mental problems mate, you want me to justify why i want you to providence for any of your insane assertions!
So god tells you to kill your family, as happens every day, and the police ask you to show evidence god told you this, do you ask them to justify their demand for evidence?
You know you cant justify your nonsense but indoctrination has created such a cognitive dissonance you hide behind this school playground semantic presup defense. You make gman look smart.

True Freethinker
But you keep missing your own point—or what your point would be if you took your worldview seriously enough to be a consistent thinker—1) if I have mental problems then you are saturated with pure hatred to mistreat someone with mental problems, 2) on your worldview you just told a temporary and accidentally existing ape/ape relative that they have mental problems which is utterly absurd, 3) on your worldview mental problems are irrelevant since healthy mental functions are still the result of accidents, 4) you have no imperative upon which to criticize mental problems—besides your subjective feelings such as arrogance, etc., etc., etc.
Friend, we have been through this 1,001 times and by now you must be missing the point on purpose: I am asking you to justify your demand for evidence, to justify what give you the right to demand anything from anyone. See, you begin with conclusions such as “Gimme evidence,” so I ask “Why?” and you call me names.

Charlie Reid did one of those annoying copy, paste and comment jobs so, here goes
But you keep missing your own point—or what your point would be if you took your worldview seriously enough to be a consistent thinker – What’s my worldview?
1) if I have mental problems then you are saturated with pure hatred to mistreat someone with mental problems – I am trying to highlight your mental problems in the hope you seek help.
2) on your worldview you just told a temporary and accidentally existing ape/ape relative that they have mental problems which is utterly absurd, – why?
3) on your worldview mental problems are irrelevant since healthy mental functions are still the result of accidents, – What’s my worldview?
4) you have no imperative upon which to criticize mental problems—besides your subjective feelings such as arrogance, etc., etc., etc. – Does that sentence actually make sense to you?
Friend, we have been through this 1,001 times and by now you must be missing the point on purpose: I am asking you to justify your demand for evidence, to justify what give you the right to demand anything from anyone. See, you begin with conclusions such as “Gimme evidence,” so I ask “Why?” and you call me names. – This has been explained to you be and many others, unfortunately your are mentally unable to retain information that refutes your dishonest presuppositional rhetoric.

TrueFreethinker
Atheism.
1) On your worldview why would/should a person with mental problems seek help? And I am hoping some something besides “Because thus saith Charlie.”
2) Because on your worldview, it does not matter if an ape has mental problems.
3) Atheism.
4) “you have no imperative upon which to criticize mental problems—besides your subjective feelings such as arrogance, etc., etc., etc.”
It is fascinating that the more I hold your feet to the fire of your claim that you can instantly justify anything, the more you discredit yourself. Just admit it, you made a grandiose claim to impress your fellow Atheism, he patted you on the head like a good boy, I called you on it, you continue failing, and he does not have enough integrity to hold you to it.
Again, you claimed that you could instantly justify ANYTHING: your words, not mind, and if you want to take it back then just say so. So, I ask you to justify your demand for evidence and you run away—whilst hurling insults like a child, no less.
Clifford Chapman I was hoping you could go beyond moving the goalpost and instead, focus on reasoned discourse.

Well, that ended it since, apparently, at least for now pocking childish fun was no longer fun so they both ran away.

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