The r/StrangeEarth on Reddit had the following posted on it by a certain Big_Long_1638 under the title The Nephilim, Ancient Giants in the Bible and the Strange Afghanistan Encounters and this ridiculous illustration:
Throughout ancient texts and traditions there are repeated references to giants. In the Bible they are referred to as the Nephilim, sometimes described as the “sons of God” who walked the earth in ancient times.
Genesis 6:4 says
“The Nephilim were on the earth in those days and also afterward when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.”
Later in Numbers 13:33 it says
“And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim), and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.”
There are also other passages describing unusually large figures.
Deuteronomy 3:11 describes Og, king of Bashan, who was said to be the last of the Rephaim. His iron bed was roughly 13.5 feet long.
1 Samuel 17:4 describes Goliath of Gath as being “six cubits and a span,” which many estimate around 9 to 10 feet tall.
Amos 2:9 describes the Amorites as having height like that of cedars.
Taken literally, these passages suggest that unusually large humanoids existed in ancient times.
Beyond scripture, there are also stories and alleged archaeological discoveries tied to giant humanoids.
One example often mentioned is Lovelock Cave in Nevada, where early excavations reportedly uncovered unusually large human remains. According to Paiute tribal legends these beings were called the Si-Te-Cah, described as red haired cannibalistic giants that the Paiute eventually fought and trapped inside the cave.
Other Native traditions also mention red haired giants, sometimes referred to as Nahullo by the Choctaw. In many of these accounts the beings were described as extremely tall, sometimes 8 to 10 feet tall with the largest reported around 12 feet. Some stories even claim they had six digits on their hands and feet.
During some of these early archaeological digs it has been claimed that the Smithsonian Institution became involved and removed many of the remains for storage. Some researchers claim that after taking possession of the remains the discoveries were minimized or denied entirely.
Similar claims are sometimes connected to discoveries in the Grand Canyon. Stories circulate that remains measuring around 10 to 11 feet tall were reportedly uncovered and then removed by government authorities. Some accounts say the Smithsonian later denied excavating those areas.
It is also interesting how large portions of the Grand Canyon are restricted or off limits to the public.
I have actually been there myself and seeing places like the Tower of Ra and Isis Temple formations in person really changes your perspective. If you have never been there it is worth seeing because it is an incredible place.
There have also been reports from visitors claiming to see military helicopters operating deep inside the canyon including AH-64 Apaches and UH-60 Blackhawks, sometimes hovering near canyon walls or disappearing behind mountainsides. If you try searching something like “U.S. Army in the Grand Canyon” you will not find much official information, yet there are videos showing military aircraft flying inside the canyon.
The Grand Canyon is federal land under control of the U.S. government and large sections are restricted. Flying drones there is prohibited and violations can result in fines up to $5000 or six months in jail. People who attempt to fly drones there often report being approached quickly by park security or plain clothes personnel.
The reason the Grand Canyon gets brought up a lot in discussions like this is because of stories claiming that Egyptian style artifacts and human remains measuring around 10 to 12 feet tall were allegedly discovered inside hidden chambers or caves and quickly removed by authorities.
Fast forward to the modern era.
During the early years of the war in Afghanistan a story began circulating about an alleged encounter near Kandahar around 2002. According to the story a U.S. Special Operations team encountered a massive humanoid creature estimated to be around 15 feet tall. The story claims the creature killed one of the soldiers before the team opened fire and eventually killed it.
Some people in military circles have referred to the story as an “open secret,” although there has never been official confirmation from the U.S. military. A relative of mine who served from 1997 to 2004 once told me that rumors about something like this circulated among certain infantry units.
There are also theories suggesting that some of the extensive bombing in the Tora Bora mountains may have been targeting deep cave systems that allegedly contained unusual discoveries.
Fast forward again to 2009 when I remember hearing an old Coast to Coast AM interview with two U.S. Army infantrymen who served in the Korengal Valley years apart. One served around 2008 and the other during the final year of operations there around 2010.
Both of them described witnessing extremely large humanoid figures moving along the mountainsides. According to their accounts the figures appeared far larger than any normal human and moved across the terrain in ways that did not make sense for something that size.
What stood out to me is that these two men had never met each other.
The soldier who served in 2008 described a daytime sighting of a figure he estimated to be around 11 feet tall walking quickly along the side of a mountain before disappearing.
The other soldier described a nighttime encounter which he observed through his NVGs.
At the time I first heard those interviews I dismissed them. But after recently studying the Bible more and reading deeper into historical accounts and legends about giants I am not as quick to dismiss it anymore.
I have tried to go back and find those original interviews again even searching through the Wayback Machine and other internet archives but I have not been able to locate them.
The original interview with the man known as “Mr. K,” who allegedly claimed to be one of the soldiers involved in the Giant of Kandahar incident, was also reportedly removed from YouTube and is difficult to find in internet archives. Most versions circulating now are shortened clips or second hand uploads. People who heard the original say it had far more detail than what is currently available.
Because of that what remains online often makes the story look like a quick internet myth rather than the longer interview people claim originally existed.
Another interesting idea comes from interpretations of biblical passages suggesting that giants once existed on Earth and that the earth had “swallowed them up,” with the implication that one day it could “spit them back out.”
If taken literally some people speculate that this could mean these beings retreated underground. The world is full of massive cave systems and underground networks that remain largely unexplored, especially in mountainous regions like Afghanistan and parts of the American Southwest.
Of course all of this is still speculation.
But it is interesting how stories about giants appear across many different cultures and time periods. From biblical texts to Native American legends to modern military rumors.
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I, Ken Ammi, replied:
In my book “Nephilim and Giants: Believe It or Not!: Ancient and Neo-Theo-Sci-Fi Tall Tales” I included a chapter that reviews that skeletons chart and it’s 99% inaccurate.
Biblically contextually, “The Nephilim, Ancient Giants” would mean, “The Nephilim, Ancient Nephilim” so what’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s your usage? Do those two usages agree?
Until you answer those questions (and 99% of pop-Nephilologists can’t answer them) then I’ll note that, “references to giants. In the Bible they are referred to as the Nephilim” is myopic (it’s actually 98% erroneous).
As for, “Afghanistan Encounters”: The Kandahar giant tall-tale is just an internet hoax based on some anonymous guys making vague claims about generic regions and sold to us by two guys who make a living by selling un-biblical tall-tales to Christians: LA Marzulli and the plagiarist and evolutionist Steven Quayle (yes, a guy to whom you linked). And those who merely assert that it was a Nephil imply that God failed, missed a loophole, the flood was much of a waste, etc., etc., etc.
There’s no indication of, “Nephilim, sometimes described as the ‘sons of God’” rather, the sons of God fathered the Nephilim.
When you say, “in Numbers 13:33 it says” that’s just telling us where to find a statement. Key hermeneutical questions are: who said it, why was it said, what was the reaction to it, was it accurate, etc. Whenever you cite and/or quote that single verse, you needed to mention that you’re relying on:
1. One single unreliable sentence
2. From strictly non-LXX versions (since that version’s version of that verse doesn’t even mention Anakim)
3. Of an unreliable “evil report”
4. By 10 unreliable guys
5. Whom God rebuked—to death
6. Who made five mere assertions unbacked by even one single other verse in the whole Bible
7. Who contradicted Moses, Cable, Joshua, God, and the rest of the whole entire Bible
I could go on but see my post Chapter sample: On the Post Flood Nephilim Proposal.
Why do you say, “describing unusually large figures” and then quote a verse about a, “bed”?
As for Goliath, that’s myopic since you didn’t mention that The Masoretic text has Goliath at just shy of 10 ft. Yet, the earlier LXX and the earlier Dead Sea Scrolls and the earlier Flavius Josephus all have him at just shy of 7 ft. (compared to the average Israelite male who was 5.0-5.3 ft. in those days) so that’s the preponderance of the earliest data.
Amos 2:9 says, “the Amorite…whose height was like the height of the cedars and who was as strong as the oaks; I destroyed his fruit above and his roots beneath.” He was clearly just saying they were big and strong and not implying conducting a one-to-one ratio based mathematical calculation.
In fact, people who do measure cedars and claim Amorites were that tall never get around to a calculation correlating the strength of oaks—since they’re only interested in tall-tales. Plus, if they take it that incoherently literal then they have to conclude that Amorites had fruits and roots growing right out of their bodies.
Thus, “Taken literally, these passages suggest” a fantasy tall-tale, a large, “bed,” an only subjectively tall guy, and a metaphor.
I don’t believe that thus saith, “Native traditions” equals absolute truth and, in fact, they seem to be retelling cultural memories of interacting with Vikings: White, red-haired, “giants.”
Indeed, “the Smithsonian Institution became involved and removed many of the remains” due to racism so as to deny Native claims about land ownership to the tune of: what, you claim land rights due to burial grounds, nope, nothing to see here (anymore).
And yes, there are tons of, “reports from visitors claiming” trust me bruh stories.
Well, that ended it since no interaction was forthcoming.
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