The following discussion took place when a certain Eugenio Peraza posted a reply to the question Is the biblical Abraham one of the most influential people in history, or did he never exist as some suggest?
That was on the Quora site and my ongoing experience is that when people on that site realize they’re literally incapable of defending their assertions, they rely on censorship my locking the comments section so that no one can reply anymore and they run away to their safe-space.
Such ended up being the case with Peraza.
His answer to the question was
Abraham existed although to understand why he was special in GOD the Father’s eyes, you need to read my other answers below that explain Hybrid Humans, and why the Hybrid Human Abraham was the first to oppose the satan condition in the vessel.
That makes Abraham the first Hybrid Human to actually exercise the ability of opposing demons in the vessel and also aligning more towards the true nature of GOD through the Genesis Human part in Abraham.
Unlike previous Hybrid Humans before Abraham, who did not oppose demons in the vessel such as Cain who murdered/killed his brother.
Hybrid Humans are part Genesis Human and part ape-like creature, and were created by Lucifer.
Genesis Humans do not have ape-like creature ancestry and do not have the ability to sin for that reason, while Hybrid Humans do have the ability to sin.
Some see this as some sort of free will although it is not what you think as explained in my answer below.
And he linked to a few of his posts. I, Ken Ammi, replied
Whence did you get a “Hybrid Human Abraham”?
Whence did you get a “Hybrid Humans…Cain”?
Whence did you get that Cain and Abraham were, “Genesis Human and part ape-like creature, and were created by Lucifer”?
Whence did you get “innocent Hybrid Humans that once were corrupted and died on Earth, yet were resurrected into Heaven as the infant they came from”?
Whence did you get “innocent Hybrid Humans…angels”?
You asserted “Lucifer had been responsible for creating them in the first place on Earth before they died” but that contradicts Job 38:7 which has Angels witnessing the creation of the Earth.
Nothing you merely asserted is “described in the Bible” ever, never, to include “Lucifer taking 1/3 of the angel’s.”
Eugenio Peraza
Not all angels are the same.
Yes some angels were around before the Earth was formed and they are Elohim.
Although if you believe that when a human dies they become reborn in Heaven as an angel, then the Hybrid Humans that died on Earth yet believed in GOD were reborn in Heaven.
The infant they came from was resurrected in Heaven and developed there.
They are for all intents and purposes a type of angel.
All indications in Genesis indicates that Lucifer was the one responsible for what happened to Eve.
Lucifer looks just like GOD the Father Elohim and Eve mistook Lucifer for the Father, of which both are Elohim.
There is no indication in Genesis that Adam and Eve mated and created offspring, nor that they even knew how procreation worked.
Eve just said that the Lord (mistaking Lucifer for the Father) had given her a child.
That child was a Hybrid Human.
The second time it happened, Eve said to Adam that the Lord had given her a man, meaning a full grown Hybrid Human.
Genesis Humans cannot Sin, Hybrid Humans can sin.
Now I am not saying that Eve never gave birth, although what was possibly implanted in her womb was a Hybrid Human.
Furthermore, the Bible talks about the 144,000 for they are the total amount of Genesis Humans that will be born on Earth.
When Heaven is don on Earth, only Genesis Humans can cone and go from the Earth, why? because Genesis Humans cannot sin, yet as soon as Hybrids leave Heaven, the temptation is too great and they sin.
Either way, Hybrid Humans came from a mixture of Genesis Human genetic material that was mixed with ape-like creature genetic material.
Lucifer mixed the two and if the Bible tells the truth which I do not doubt, it says that Eve is the mother of mankind.
Mankind is almost all Hybrid Humans that have ape-like creature ancestry.
If you read what I wrote, you will also understand that Hybrid Humans have the ability to sin, Genesis Humans do not.
That is why the first Hybrid Human Cain was the least advanced Hybrid Human and also sinned by killing/murdering his brother.
Later, when Lucifer took 1/3 of the angels in lower Heaven, he was actually taking the resurrected Hybrids that had died on Earth and were later resurrected in Heaven and developed there.
Lucifer did it in order to take advantage of the resurrected Hybrid’s genetic material that had developed more advanced in Heaven.
The act of those angels/resurrected Hybrids mating with the daughters of men (Hybrid Humans), created giants on the Earth and also upgraded Hybrid Human DNA on Earth.
The GOD the Father did not create Humans with ape-like creature ancestry and the Earth’s population shows that nearly all humans on Earth came from ape-like creature ancestry.
It is no lie.
The UFO phenomenon is mostly Lucifer’s doing and the pilots are probably Lucifer clones.
They are still upgrading Hybrid Human DNA in order to create a human that is like a Genesis Human, yet can be controlled through temptation and sin in order to infiltrate Heaven after their resurrection.
It is all about Lucifer creating a Hybrid Human army to infiltrate Heaven and take Heaven over, although it will not work.
What the Father and Jesus are saying is that those Hybrid Humans who learn the ways of the Holy Spirit will still have a place in Heaven if they need or quest for one.
The Holy Spirit is the only way and satan in Lucifer will only end in weakness and destruction and Heaven does not have to lift a finger.
Learn the way of the Holy Spirit, it will give you only the truth.
Ken Ammi
“Not all angels are the same” since they’re individual personages but they all look like human males.
You assert, “some angels were around before the Earth” but I’m unsure why you qualified, “some” so whence did you get that?
I’m pretty sure that, “when a human dies they become reborn in Heaven as an angel” is only something little kids believed decades ago.
Indeed, “All indications in Genesis indicates that Lucifer was the one responsible for what happened to Eve.”
As for, “Lucifer looks just like GOD the Father Elohim” no rather, he’s a Cherub (Ezek 28) and is physically described in Ezek chaps 1 and 10 while, “GOD the Father Elohim” has no look, by definition, since He’s a spirit: unless you want to go with something like what’s also in Ezek 1 in which case you can’t claim that, “Lucifer looks just like GOD the Father Elohim” since they don’t look alike at all.
Thus, there’s no reason to assert, “Eve mistook Lucifer for the Father.” You can also know that wasn’t the case since if it was then the discussion they had makes no sense, “Did God actually say…but God said…God knows…” on your view that should have read, “Did YOU actually say…but YOU said…I know…”
You, “There is no indication in Genesis that Adam and Eve mated and created offspring.”
God’s Word, “Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain…Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain…. Adam…fathered a son…and named him Seth….and he had other sons and daughters” (Gen chaps 4-5).
Who should I believe: you or God?
Thus, there’s literally zero indication of, “mistaking Lucifer for the Father…a Hybrid Human…a full grown Hybrid Human.”
You, “Genesis Humans cannot Sin.”
God’s Word, “she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate” God said, “you eaten of the tree of which I commanded you not to eat.”
Who should I believe: you or God?
Where abouts is it that, “the Bible talks about the 144,000 for they are the total amount of Genesis Humans that will be born on Earth”? FYI: you’ll save us time if you provide citations or even also quotations rather than making assertions since then I have to ask, you have to reply, etc.
When was it that, “Lucifer took 1/3 of the angels in lower Heaven”?
What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s your usage? Do those two usages agree?
The rest of it are mere assertions based on your faulty premises and they’re non-sequiturs.
Learn the way of the Holy Spirit, He will give you only the truth.
Eugenio Peraza
Elohim were around long before the Earth was formed.
In my answer below I explain.
[he linked to another post]
Lucifer does look like GOD the Father.
There is a slight difference, such as the satan condition creating a more animal like property, although when such a being is rejecting the Holy Spirit from you, its hard to tell the difference because lack of Holy Spirit means your perceptions become altered, memory is impeded, confusion starts to set in and more.
In extreme cases, it can turn you into an animal, even if you are innocent and carry no sin.
The difference is that Lucifer does not always look like flames of fire as does mostly GOD the Father Elohim.
It is for that reason that Lucifer became afflicted with the satan condition when Lucifer walked the Earth to and fro in the form of conventional matter.
Angels whether Elohim or human can alter their appearance like flames of fire etc…it is a technology.
You are correct that Hybrid Humans can and do get reborn/resurrected in Heaven as the infant they came from.
When they develop in Heaven, they are not corrupted and become highly advanced.
If you recall, when Lucifer took 1/3 the angels with him from Heaven, such angels were watchers/sentinels in the lower regions of Heaven where time dilation is lowest, so they develop faster.
Such angels were actually resurrected Hybrid Humans that had died on Earth.
So Lucifer knew exactly how to influence them with temptation from the satan condition fields Lucifer emenates.
The reason why Lucifer took them to Earth is that Lucifer needed to upgrade the Hybrid Human genetic material with more advanced genetic material.
So such angels ended up procreating with Hybrid Human women of Earth.
Ken Ammi
“long before” is a generic term but of course, “Elohim were around…before the Earth was formed” since God is referred to as Elohim and so are Angels so they both predate the Earth.
Nothing I said pertains to, “What are some reasons why people might believe that the universe doesn’t require a creator?” so I’ll ignore the mini-lecture.
As for, “Lucifer does look like GOD the Father” well, God the Father is a spirit so He has no, “look” and we’re told what Lucifer looks like in Ezek chaps 1 and 10 since he’s physical: and a physical thing doesn’t look like a spirit, it’s a category error.
Why would I, “recall, when Lucifer took 1/3 the angels with him from Heaven, such angels were watchers/sentinels in the lower regions of Heaven where time dilation is lowest, so they develop faster” when you just made that up along with virtually everything else you merely asserted?
Why did you merely ignore 99% of what I noted and 99% of my questions?
I’m not interested in you replying again with a bunch of merely asserted neo-theo-sci-fi-tall-tales: please treat this as the discussion it’s supposed to be.
Eugenio Peraza
“Nothing I said pertains to, “What are some reasons why people might believe that the universe doesn’t require a creator?” so I’ll ignore the mini-lecture.”
Oh but it does.
They are eternal, and have the ability to travel from Universe to Universe.
So they were around even as this Universe was being formed in its early/young stages.
They have amazing technology and are eternal, so they were around before Earth was formed physically.
Ken Ammi
My friend, I’m beginning to think you’re suffering from some sort of cognitive disorder so that this is no longer a discussion but you monologuing un-contextually.
Eugenio Peraza
So when you do not understand, someone else has a cognitive disorder.
Well understanding is a gift of the Holy Spirit, along with wisdom and knowledge of which you lack, thus obviously impeding you intelligence, Friend.
And that was that since he then relied on censorship.
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