The Why Files Facebook group posted the question: Does The Book Of Enoch Hold The Secrets Of The Nephilim?
A certain Gabriel Vinogradof replied
Brother. I’ve studied the Apocripha. Besides the bible. If you read the apocripha, you will understand these things. And it’s all an marvellous plan of God. Blessed be the name of the Lord!
I, True Freethinker, noted
Then my book, “The Apocryphal Nephilim and Giants: Encountering Nephilim, and Giants in Extra-Biblical Texts” may be of interest to you
Randle Hodge Jr chimed in by replying thusly to Vinogradof
uhhhh bull[****] with another name is still bull[****].
True Freethinker
Please mind your manners. You merely posted a merely asserted positive affirmation so you’re being very illogical. Now, what, on your worldview, is wrong with believing in BS?
Since no reply was forthcoming for some time, I followed up with
Well, you instantly collapsed.
Randle Hodge Jr
because the buybull and other such bs texts lie and deceive on a global scale. Hypocrisy at its apex. Christianity primarily but ALL religion is the greatest source of evil and control, the most destructive force in mankind’s history. Period.
True Freethinker
You didn’t seem to reply on your worldview but on your emotively subjective personal preferences du jour.
You only beg the question what, on your worldview, is wrong with deceiving on a global scale and hypocrisy and evil and control and being destructive?
As for, “the greatest source of evil and control, the most destructive force in mankind’s history” please make yourself privy of history as recent as the last century when Atheists set the world’s mass and serial murdering records in mere decades—even then competing, as it were, with “religions” that had been around for MILLENNIA. Oh, and on Atheism, there’s literally nothing wrong with that and it was actually a good thing since it freed us of the less fit and freed up resources for the fittest.
Randle Hodge Jr
what a crock of [****]. Talk about shoe horning facts lol. Atheists “ set a record”? lol when nearly every violent act not gang or drug related has SOME religious tie in? Couple of reminders chief. The holocaust. The crusades. The Spanish Inquisition. 9-11. Current war in Gaza. Let’s even pretend the buybull is accurate for a moment and just mention the great flood, sodom and gamorah , and ETERNAL damnation promised? Not to mention the rapture and tribulation?and yes I realize those don’t all have “ Christian “ ideology behind them, just a brief example of how religion sucks.
You may as well have done as study that determines blondes kill more people.
Firstly you have ZERO proof of that. Secondly there’s more to “ the most destructive force” than just murder. Ask an alter boy. ask someone ripped off by a televangelist. Ask someone mentally and emotionally tormented by guilt for being who they are instead who the church wants them to be.
your gawd is a child rapist. A narcissist. A hypocrite. The creator of his own enemy and then is uncaring or impotent to do anything about him. Luckily he’s a fictional man made construct.
an invisible sky daddy and his zombie clone/son… crutch of the primitive mind.
Enjoy. Meanwhile the church numbers crumble.
Thank gawd.
True Freethinker
Please mind your manners.
I’m using a PC what about you? When you click to reply to me on your notifications does it actually take you to my comment? Because when I click to reply to you, I have to literally search the entire comments section and it doesn’t help that you keep posting un-contextual replies rather than continuing a thread.
So, when you merely assert, “What a crock of” stuff, I’ve no idea what you’re subjectively emoting about.
“nearly every violent act not gang or drug related has SOME religious tie in?” how should I know?
“The holocaust”: what about it?
“The crusades. The Spanish Inquisition. 9-11. Current war in Gaza” yeah, and?
You seem to think that a legit reply is to commit a tu quoque logical fallacy and thereby moving the goalpost so that’s two fallacies in one: is there anything wrong with committing logical fallacies, on your worldview?
“ZERO proof of that” what? The historically verifiable facts that I noted? Well, check out my book, “From Zeitgeist to Poltergeist”: https://www.amazon.com/Zeitgeist…/dp/1548475645
Or, just literally anything written by anyone about that time span.
Now, I’m sure that I asked what, on your worldview, is wrong with what you’re merely emotively subjectively complaining about so, again (since you merely keep jumping to merely asserted mere conclusions at the start rather than engaging in systematic critical thinking) what, on your worldview, is wrong with the things that you subjectively have a person preference du jour against based on hidden assumptions which you merely imply?
Without that, you can keep listing things you personally dislike but it will be more of what it already is: on the level of telling me which ice-cream flavor you don’t like in terms of a “My dear diary, today I feel…” entry.
Atheist Michael Shermer, editor of Skeptic magazine in his article, “Arguing for Atheism”:
“I am not convinced by Dawkins’s argument that without religion there would be ‘no suicide bombers, no 9/11, no 7/7, no Crusades, no witch-hunts, no Gunpowder Plot, no Indian partition, no Israeli/Palestinian wars, no Serb/Croat/Muslim massacres, no persecution of Jews as ‘Christ-killers,’ no Northern Ireland ‘troubles’….’ In my opinion, many of these events-and others often attributed solely to religion by atheists-were less religiously motivated than politically driven, or at the very least involved religion in the service of political hegemony.”
Randle Hodge Jr
ok man.. you’re boring me with word salad that means nothing. Your responses come weeks after the last comment , and like you pointed out, difficult to find previous comments to refresh memory.
Bottom line, religion, Christianity in particular , is historically evil and I stand firmly against it. And no I’m not checking out your book.
Have a nice one. Moving on.
He followed up before I could reply
rereading some post coffee… ummm I’ve never heard anyone say “ there would be no….” Suicide bombers etc, nor claimed they are the cause of ALL. There are no absolutes. But the argument that “ if there were no religions things would or wouldn’t be ‘x’” is a pure hypothetical with zero way to prove or disprove until there IS no religion. So your argument, like nearly all pro religion arguments , is based on a foundation of sand. And this one guys quote is as valid as any but proves nothing.
As an atheist the onus is not on me/us to disprove religion. I don’t believe in your giants either. I don’t have to disprove those. I don’t believe in purple unicorns or the tooth fairy. Not my obligation to disprove those.
Faith is belief without proof.
Fact is belief because of proof.
Period.
You believe I. The same gawd as dozens of other religions do. Same invisible dude.. same sky daddy. Yet even amongst yourselves you can’t agree which “ version” of the same damned religion is the right one. lol
Kinda makes you think it’s all man made or at best a gawd with really [****]ty communication skills, who hadn’t checked in with anyone in a veeeeery long time. lol
Meanwhile that gawd, in his “ own book” is a rapist, a murderer, pro incest, pro genocide, pro filicide. Unworthy of praise but only scorn. Impotent, a narcissist , a hypocrite. While the PROOF evolution and the structures of the universe mounts greater daily.
True Freethinker
Please mind your manners.
“word salad”: Atheist-speak for “I’m literally incapable of dealing with the issue I raised but am such a religiously zealous missionary for Atheism that I will still mash something into my keyboard!!!”
You are 100% avoiding the issue by relying on your Atheism 101 MO of piling assertions atop assertions until you’ve built a bottomless pit of assertions for yourself.
So, let’s simplify: on your worldview there’s no such thing as objective, “evil” so you disqualified yourself from complaining about it. Such is why you opted for appealing to subjectivism, “I stand firmly against it” on the level of telling me that you stand firmly against an ice-cream flavor you emotively subjectively don’t like in a “My dear diary, today I feel…” entry.
In fact, on Atheism so called “evil” is actually so called “good” since it rids us of the less fit.
Actually, “As an atheist” there is no onus on anyone to do anything: such is why you’ve failed to elucidate THE key issue from the start.
I’ve no idea what you’re moving the goalpost ranting about “don’t believe in your giants either.”
As for, “Faith is belief without proof” I see that you’re merely parroting ignorant Atheist when you define faith, which biblically is coming to a conclusion based on prior knowledge.
Your, “The same gawd” rant is utterly incoherent: just because there are more than one view about something doesn’t mean that one of them isn’t accurate.
Keep in mind that your emotively subjective personal preference may be that based on hidden assumptions, you personally decided to note like a supposed rapist, an alleged murderer, a supposedly pro incest, pro genocide, pro filicide, etc., etc., etc. but that only tells me your feelings (which on your worldview are just by products of an accidental chemical soup) but doesn’t tell me anything about that those things are actually wrong.
It’s as if you’ve never thought about these issues, even when they’re explained to you.
Randle Hodge Jr
I think you’re still not phrasing the question any differently? Lol
If the fault is mine, or if I’m just having an ignorant moment I apologize. Answered the question to best of ability based on how it vibes across
True Freethinker
Please don’t post new relies outside of the thread, it makes the context hard to follow. You appear to have condemned believing in BS but only as an implication based on a hidden assumption sine you neglected THE most important part so I was just asking you to elucidate that part. Rather than beginning with conclusions, begin at the actual beginning and tell us how and why, on your worldview, it’s wrong to believe in BS.
Randle Hodge Jr
your commentary makes zero sense. You speak in absolute gibberish.
But I’ll tell you one thing … I’ll speak where I want when I want about what I want. You don’t like it? Take steps . I’m not accommodating you lol. Specially when the… See more
Randle Hodge Jr
I collapsed what does that even mean? I thought your lame question was rhetorical.. “ what’s wrong with believing in BS”? Lol
True Freethinker
Randle Hodge Jr I see you misrepresented my question–and to me, the asker, no less. It wasn’t “what’s wrong with believing in BS” but what, on your worldview, is wrong with believing in BS?
And that, as they say, was that since no more replies were forthcoming.
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