The full question posted to the Quora site is Was Goliath a descendant of the Nephilim or were all the Nephilim wiped out by the worldwide flood thus making Goliath a giant not descended from the Nephilim?
L. Budow (“Scripture Research & Answers The Oldest Known Scriptures) commented
Goliath is not verified a descendant of the Nephilim,
however he was said to have six fingers and toes on each foot and hand consistent with Nephilim.
It is clear David beleived Golith to be a Nephilim as they are half human and can regenerate.
So David ran upon hima fter Golith fell to immediately begin to hack his head loose from the body, so Golith couold not get back up.
King David and Goliath are post flood, so obviously the giants and possibly Nephilim suvived the flood.
As did the Rapha, of the half humans, survived the flood.
I, Ken Ammi, replied
In fact, Goliath is verified to not have been a descendant of the Nephilim since they didn’t’ make it past the flood.
There’s no indication that, “he was said to have six fingers and toes on each foot.
Also, there’s no indication that is, “consistent with Nephilim.”
There’s no indication “David beleived Golith to be a Nephilim” (which should have been written as, “a Nephil”).
There’s no indication “they…can regenerate.”
There’s no indication that such is why David did what he did.
“possibly Nephilim suvived the flood” contradicts the Bible five times: does that matter to you?
There’s no indication, “Rapha…half humans.”
There’s no indication, “Repha,” you mean Rephaim, “survived the flood” since they didn’t even exist until centuries post-flood.
L. Budow
Reread your original holy scripture, if you have one.
It is true in First Samuel that it was not written about Goliath being a Nephilim. However, if you read the entire scriptures, you will clearly see, Nephilim and Rapha were said to have 24 fingers and toes.
Here is the scriptures you did not read
that show you what I state was true without question.
First Chronicles 20:4
After this, fighting broke out with the Philistines at Gezer;
that was when Sibbecai the Hushathite killed Sippai,
a descendant of the Rephaim, and they were humbled.
20:5
Again there was fighting with the Philistines,
and Elhanan son of Jair killed Lahmi,
the brother of Goliath the Gittite;
his spear had a shaft like a weaver’s beam.
20:6
Once again there was fighting at Gath.
There was a giant of a man who had twenty-four fingers
[and toes], six [on each hand] and six [on each foot];
he too was descended from the Raphah.
20:7 When he taunted Israel, Jonathan son of David’s brother Shimea killed him.
20:8 These were descended from the Raphah in Gath,
and they fell by the hands of David and his men.
Ken Ammi
Friend, I’m afraid that you committed a fallacy: you took one sentence about one man, one Repha, having extra digits and then concluded that, “Nephilim and Rapha were said to have 24 fingers and toes.”
That’s a non-sequitur since there’s zero indication Nephilim and Rephaim have anything to do with each other and that one single man has an anatomical feature doesn’t mean that all Rephaim had it (not that it would matter)—but then again, you did write “Nephilim” in the male plural but “Rapah” in the singular so I just assume you meant, “Rephaim” instead.
And so my initial reply still stands.
L. Budow
He was his brother. Do the math. Its not rocket science.
At the end of the day, how does this result have any effect on your life or make you more oservnt to God?
Superfluos.
Ken Ammi
Oh, I see well, that’s genetically incoherent since, for example, I have two mutations that my brother doesn’t.
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That brought the discussion to an end as no more replies were forthcoming by L. Yet, another discussion ensued when someone calling themselves Christ’s Warrior commented
Yes Goliath was Nephilim. They were all around because the Israelites did not destroy them when God commanded them to. When God said said wipe out the whole village, he meant it. Anyone who doesn’t believe this; explain why King David separated the giant soldiers from the others and killed them. 2 Samuel 8:2.
Ken Ammi
There’s no indication “Goliath was Nephilim” and now you have to invent ways to get Nephilim past the flood, past God: the God who failed to be rid of them via the flood which made the flood much of a waste.
There’s zero reliable indication, “They were all around because the Israelites…”
As for, “did not destroy them when God commanded them to” there’s zero indication of any such thing: God told us many times why He commanded such things but never said a single word about Nephilim.
There’s zero indication, “David separated the giant soldiers from the others and killed them” and “2 Samuel 8:2” has utterly nothing to do with anything like that.
Christ’s Warrior
When the spies went into Jericho, they reported seeing giants. Check your Bible. If you have one
Also the Hebrew translation of 2 Samuel 8;2 Says David separated the giants from other soldiers after laying them down and measuring them. I can’t speak Hebrew. But I will take the word of the Israeli scholar who told me. Your problem is you’re stuck in your ways and don’t care about truth. Genius 6:4 There were giants on the earth in those days and also after….
Ken Ammi
Well, friend, please be a more discerning reader and writer since it’s not the case that “When the spies went into Jericho, they reported seeing giants” for a few reasons—sorry, but that’s too vaguely generic:
1) 12 spies were sent but 10 of them made that claim. Those where the 10 unreliable ones whom God rebuked.
2) you’re appealing to and replying on their “evil report” wherein they merely made five assertions and contradicted Moses, Caleb, Joshua, the whole rest of the entire Bible, and God.
3) they create problems since now you have to come up with how Nephilim made it past the flood, past God.
4) as for “giants,” the key questions are:
What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles?
What’s your usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants”?
Do those two usages agree?
See, answering those will assist you in dealing with “the Hebrew translation of 2 Samuel 8;2”—and BTW: which Hebrew translation? And which English word is supposed to have the Hebrew for whatever “giants” means behind it?
As for, “Your problem is you’re stuck in your ways and don’t care about truth” please don’t go full blown ungraceful worldly attempted mind reader.
Yes, “Genius [Genesis] 6:4 There were giants on the earth in those days and also after….” but I’m unsure why you’re noting that.
Christ’s Warrior
Giants and Nilphilims are on earth right now. ButI won’t try to explain how I aquired this knowledge. You’re too closed minded.
Ken Ammi
You call yourself “Christ’s Warrior” but comport yourself like a gnostic so for which “Christ” are you a warrior because it certainly isn’t the one, true, living, biblical, Son of God, the Messiah, God in the flesh.
But it’s fascinating that I’ve had this experience many times: someone merely makes assertions, I request they back them, they realize that they can’t but rather than giving up their mere assertions, they play the gnostic card by claiming that they have special, secret knowledge but they won’s share it with the uninitiated who aren’t as enlightened as they are.
In fact, I encountered this SO much when dealing with the “serpent seed” theory that I gave many, many examples of it in my book, Cain as Serpent Seed of Satan, vol. V: Considering Mysticism and Occultism: from Jewish to Gnostic.
So, please stop implying that God failed and that you’re more enlightened than the average Christian.
So that brought the discussion to an end as no more replies were forthcoming.
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