The following discussion took place after a certain Janet Morrison replied as follows to the following question, What is the definition of Nephilim? Are they always bad?
She noted
Genesis 6 said fallen angels took human women as wives and produced giant hybrid offspring called the Nephilim. Nephilim means the fallen. They corrupted humans genetically and spiritually. Enoch said they were cannibals. The Bible said they were called Emin meaning the men of terror, Anakim the king necked ones, Zamzummin, the sight of whom made the heart faint, and Rephaim meaning the terrible ones.
Enoch wrote that when a Nephilim died, their human body died, but their immortal angelic part lived on as a disembodied evil spirit.
God used the cataclysm of the flood to wipe out the Nephilim. God told Israel to respect it’s boundaries with human nations. But God always told Israel to wipe out the Nephilim like how Joshua led Israel to wipe out the Anakim giants. Goliath and his brothers were Rephaim. giants who David and his men killed.
If God had not of wiped out the Nephilim, then
The human race would have ceased to exist a long time ago. So yes, the Nephilim were bad.
I, Ken Ammi, replied
There’s zero reliable indication that Nephilim were “giant” (assuming you’re misreading you Bible as referring to height).
There’s zero indication that “The Bible said they were called Eminmeaning the men of terror, Anakim the king necked ones, Zamzummin, the sight of whom made the heart faint, and Rephaim meaning the terrible ones.”
As for what is in 1 Enoch well, that’s just Bible contradicting folklore from centuries, if not millennia, after the Torah, see my book, “In Consideration of the Book(s) of Enoch.”
Note that you claimed, “Gid used the cataclysm of the flood yo wipe out the Nephilim” but then you imply that He failed since you invented that “God always told Israel to wipe out the Nephilim” for which there’s zero reliable indication.
Yes, “Goliath and his brothers were Rephaim” not Nephilim.
Janet Morrison
If you study the Bible in the ancient Biblical Hebrew language, you will find the original Hebrew words and their dictionary meaning. That is how I found out the meaning of those different Nephilim titles for giants.
Numbers 13 talks of the Anakim ( long necked ones who wore lots of necklaces) giants being Nephilim. The 12 Israelite spies said the Anakim Nephilim were so tall they felt like grasshoppers on their site. Og the king of Bashan was a Rephaim giant with an iron bed over 13 feet tall. Goliath of Gath was a Rephaim giant 9’8” tall.
Ken Ammi
Shalom!
You may recall that we’ve had various such discussion already.
As for, “If you study the Bible in the ancient Biblical Hebrew language” well, I wrote the book on that, I wrote the book titled, “Bible Encyclopedias and Dictionaries on Angels, Demons, Nephilim, and Giants: From 1851 to 2010”: https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B071NW4F4W/allbooks
There’s not one single word in the Bible about “those different Nephilim titles for giants” but if so, please quote and cite—just ensure the quotations correlate them to Nephilim.
There’s nothing in the ancient Biblical Hebrew language about “those different Nephilim titles for giants” but if so, please elucidate.
There’s nothing in the original Hebrew words and their dictionary meaning about “those different Nephilim titles for giants” but if so, please elucidate. But note that I didn’t just quote definitions in my book but investigated why those definitions were presented and thereby, found some faulty premises that led to faulty mis-definitions.
When you assert, “Numbers 13 talks of” you’re being too generic since you’re supposed to ask questions such as: who said it, why was it said, was it accurate, what was the reaction to it, etc.
In this case you assert, “the Anakim ( long necked ones who wore lots of necklaces) giants being Nephilim” but it doesn’t say “Anakim giants.”
Also, check the LXX for that verse and check Duet 1 wherein Moses relates those events but utterly ignores Nephilim.
It wasn’t “The 12 Israelite” but it was the 10 unreliable ones who presented an “evil report” on which you’re exclusively relying and were rebuked by God.
When you say, “Og the king of Bashan was a Rephaim giant” I’m unsure you understand the linguistics since “Rephaim giant” is redundant so I should ask these key questions:
What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles?
What’s your usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants”?
Do those two usages agree?
But indeed, he was a Repha, not a Nephil.
I’m unsure what his “bed” has to do with anything.
As for, Goliath yes, he too was a Repha and most reliably, was just shy of 7ft. Note that you’re referring to his height as if he had anything to do with Nephilim, which he didn’t of course, based on actually siding with men whom God rebuked.
That brought the discussion to and end as no more replies were forthcoming.
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