The following discussion took place due to the Quora site question Do Angels and Demons Haunt People?
I, Ken Ammi, noted
By definition, loyal Angels would not “haunt,” they would guard.
Disloyal/fallen/sinful Angels are demons, in a roundabout way I elucidate in this article: Demons Ex Machina: What are Demons?
“So have I become your enemy by telling you the truth?” — Gal. 4:16
They would certainly “haunt.” Now, Jesus makes a very interesting when he’s metaphorically referring to a demons as a “strong man” and as “spirits”: he says that a demon may come out of a person and get demons “more wicked” than it to join it when it goes back in the person.
This shows us that while all demons are wicked, by definition, they still do have their own personalities—and levels of wickedness.
It’d seem that some would be more like secretaries, hanging around families (or however they divide up their domains), making notes, reporting back, etc. Such would be the ones who (besides their fraud-schtick) would every now and then actually feed info to a “psychic.”
Other would act out violently, we would call these poltergeists.
Also, “ghosts” are not dead people, but demons who sometimes pretend to be dead people.
For details, see my “What Does the Bible Say About…” series of books.
Jason Shearin replied
Prove every word of these insane claims
Ken Ammi
Friend, jumping from one discussion to another won’t alleviate your responsibility to begin at the beginning so, again: first justify your demand for proof from your worldview.
Jason Shearin
I repeat, claimant, prove your claims.
Ken Ammi
You’re, what, doubling, tripling, quadrupling, etc., on proving your utter inability to begin at the beginning so, again: first justify your demand for proof from your worldview.
Jason Shearin
Prove your claims, claimant
Ken Ammi
Why (besides that you say so)?
Jason Shearin
What world view? What claims?
No no no. You are not flipping this around on me.
You are the claimant. Claimants owe evidence of claims. So, claimant, prove your claims.
Ken Ammi
You’re still just demonstrating your (and your worldview’s) utter inability to begin at the beginning so, again: first justify your demand for proof from your worldview.
Jason Shearin
Justify my demand for proof?
I’ve already done thst but sure we can cover it again.
You are a claimant. True or false? True, you’re making claims.
Claimants owe evidence of the claims they make. True or false? True.
So, claimant, where’s your evidence supporting your claim?
Ken Ammi
Sure, let’s cover again how you justified your demand for proof on your worldview but systematically that is, chronologically not beginning with a conclusion as you do it.
See, you demand, “You are a claimant…you’re making claims. Claimants owe evidence of the claims they make” which means you’re merely running circles around yourself since your assertion is that you demand evidence because you demand that you demand evidence.
You don’t bother bothering with what makes you think that the, supposed, claimant is responsible for anything at all on your worldview.
Jason Shearin
Claimant, prove your claims and stop dodging
Ken Ammi
Now I’m convinced that you’re no just trolling but that you are genuinely unfamiliar of how to even have a systematic, critical thinking manner whereby to deal with issues—even though I am leading you through the process.
See, the reason that you can’t follow the process is because your worldview is a failure. That’s why you utterly ignore the process and just play a game of ignore and demand, ignore and demand, ignore and demand, ad inifitum.
So, here we go again, rather than asking, “How high?” when you begin with, “Jump!” I’m asking why, on your worldview, a “Claimant” (sure as you are since you keep positively affirming things) has to “prove” (not evidence?) their claims and why, on your worldview, a “Claimant” ought to “stop dodging”? What universal imperative does your worldview provide you for that sort of thing?
And, BTW, just because you say so isn’t a standard.
Jason Shearin
Final chance to fulfill the burden of proof as a claimant, and prove your claims.
Refuse 1 more time and I block, mute, and report you as a troll
Ken Ammi
So, in order words, you’re so incapable of engaging in reasoned discourse that you’re threatening me with censorship?
Jason Shearin
Prove your mother [****]ing claims
Ken Ammi
Do you mean because thus saith Jason? Don’t you find it odd that you can’t even justify demanding evidence, and now proof, from your worldview? Does that not alert you of your worldview’s fundamental level failure?
That brought the discussion to and end as no more replies were forthcoming.
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