The discussion ensued due to the video Phil-TX | The Flood Of Noah Is Absurd | Truth Wanted 05.11 to which Timothy Brown commented
Silliest part of the story: when it claims the whole world was covered in water, while not knowing Antarctica, Australia and the Americas exists. No reason to believe that story is true.
I, Ken Ammi, replied
So what is the point of that, on your worldview?
Timothy Brown
to make it seem larger than it was. From the writer’s perspective it could have covered everything they saw, but there’s no way they could know any of those 4 continents were also submerged.
Ken Ammi
I’m unsure what that has to do with your worldview but the writer’s perspective was that he was inspired by He who knew those 4 continents existed if, that is, they did exist–considering the Pangea theory.
Timothy Brown
so you believe the flood happened 200 million years ago? Or are you only backing scientific claims that support your beliefs and ignoring the countless others that disagree?
Ken Ammi
I’m not interested in playing the age-game. But what, on your worldview, would wrong with an accidentally existing ape (supposedly) only backing scientific claims that support its beliefs and ignoring the countless others that disagree?
Timothy Brown
I think you are missing a few words in there, but the point is that you are cherry picking, pointing to one scientific claim that all the continents were once combined as one land mass while ignoring fossil data that contradicts there being a world wide flood. For instance, the fact that no humans existed when Pangea existed. This means there’s no way for your theory to be true, that the writer saw all of Pangea covered with water. Once again, it just seems that the writer wanted this to seem like a worldwide, important event when it was likely based on a local flood.
Ken Ammi
Well, that statement is based on the age-game: and, of course, merely asserting “200 million” is as meaningless as it sounds.
I asked “But what, on your worldview, would wrong with an accidentally existing ape (supposedly) only backing scientific claims that support its beliefs and ignoring the countless others that disagree?” but you merely ignored it and now you double-down on such stuff by asserting, “there’s no way for your theory to be true” without bothering to state why, on your worldview, holding to “true” views is some sort of universal imperative.
Timothy Brown
try reading that out loud. I think you are missing some words. “What would, in your worldview, wrong . . .” isn’t making sense.
I wouldn’t want to play the age game either if I were you. But according to geology and fossil records, Pangea split apart nearly 200 million years ago. If you don’t want to look at numbers, Pangea split apart long before T. Rex, triceratops, smilodon, mammoths and people were breathing. So you claiming the writer of Noah’s Ark story could tell that the entire super continent was covered in water is a cherry picked claim that doesn’t stand on its own two feet. If, in fact, the story took place during that time, then God split the continents after and it’s not mentioned anywhere in that story. That would be a major deal and would help support the idea that animals like koalas didn’t have to swim 100s of miles to exist in Australia. But this wasn’t written as part of the story because they didn’t know Australia existed.
Once again, my belief was this started as a story someone was telling about the god they believed and they added more fantastical elements to make it sound important. If the story was simply about a flood that busted up a whole town and a guy brought two of every animal he had with him it’s not as awe inspiring. If you are trying to impress people about your god, then you’re more likely to add drama to it. Just like the fake faith healers and the idiots talking in tongues. It’s still going on to this day. It’s also hard to think this is the one, true story when the Epic of Gilgamesh existed before it. It was likely another older myth that later got attributed to this god. I don’t know what words you want from me, but you are clearly only using science that backs your claim, while ignoring all the science that does not.
Ken Ammi
Here’s how it was supposed to read, “What would, in your worldview, [be] wrong . . .” but you seem to pull an argumentum ad grammaticum since you appealed to poor gramma in order to ignore the issue (are logical fallacies even an issue, on your worldview?).
I’d imagine that you realize that “200 million years” is an arbitrary and fantasy number—right? It’s just a way for Atheists to day “A long, long time ago…”
I wasn’t “claiming the writer of Noah’s Ark story could tell that the entire super continent was covered in water…” but merely noted, “existed if, that is, they did exist.”
See, since you ignored the key issue, when you go on about “a story someone was telling about the god they believed” you’re getting ahead of yourself and merely jumping to conclusions based on hidden assumptions.
There’s no use in chasing you down the rabbit hole when I’m still asking where you are digging in the first place.
That brought the discussion to and end as no more replies were forthcoming.
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