Give Timothy Alberino 10 points for hitting all of the keyword with a title like “: Did ALIENS Cause the NEPHILIM Giants to RETURN After The FLOOD?”: aliens, Nephilim, giants, the flood—it’s all under the big top!
Well, that was the title to a Youtube video to which I commented:
No, aliens did not cause post-flood Nephilim. And we can know this because there is no such thing as post-flood Nephilim.
Also, Timothy might have a “theory” and a “feeling” about eating dust and crawling on bellies but the Bible tells us exactly what it means by it—it is symbolic of being humbled. Even today we still say things like the Queen song, “Another one bites the dust.”
Isaiah 65 notes that “The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent’s meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.”
Psalm 72:9 “They that dwell in the wilderness shall bow before him; and his enemies shall lick the dust.”
Micah 7:17 “They shall lick the dust like a serpent, they shall move out of their holes like worms of the earth: they shall be afraid of the LORD our God, and shall fear because of thee.”
Lamentations 3 “It is good for a man that he bear the yoke in his youth. He sitteth alone and keepeth silence, because he hath borne it upon him” and the key phrase, “He putteth his mouth in the dust; if so be there may be hope.”
Deuteronomy 32:24 states, “They shall be burnt with hunger, and devoured with burning heat, and with bitter destruction: I will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, with the poison of serpents of the dust.”
Moreover, the Bible references throwing dust in the air as a sign of mouring, wheeping and repenting which people also did by sitting in dust an ashes (see Job 42:6 and Acts 22:23 for examples).
And there are a lot more texts that make this clear.
Someone going by the name “Z&N F & S & J” replied:
How, then, do you explain the resends of giants in the land AFTER the Flood, then? I’m just genuinely curious as to your position because the Bible specifically tells us that there were giants on the earth before the Flood as well as after the Flood…
I, Ken Ammi, replied:
Well friend, part of the problem is beginning with a presupposition that Nephilim and “giants” (whatever that means) have some relation. We are never given a physical description of Nephilim—not even of their size.
The term “giant(s)” is generic in that it only means taller than average and biblical times Hebrew males averaged 5.5 ft. (so women averaged less), the LXX’s “gigantes” means earth-born and “giant(s)” is used to translate both Nephilim and Rephaim so it only causes confusion.
Thus, there is no reason to think that post-flood tall, very tall, or Rephaim have anything to do with Nephilim—any more than taller than average people in the NBA have anything to do with Nephilim.
Now, please note very carefully that you stated, “Bible specifically tells us that there were giants on the earth before the Flood as well as after the Flood.” Yet, the Bible does not stated this: I am just pointing out that “before the Flood as well as after the Flood” is an interpretive assertion and not what the text actually states.
We are told that Nephilim (not “giants”) were on the earth “in those days” and “also after that” which you take to be references to the flood. However, the text twice tell us when “those days” were: v. 1, “when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them” and v. 4, “in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them.”
Thus, “those days” could have been as early as when Adam and Eve’s children began having children. Yet, whenever it was, the fact is that those were the days and so after that simply means after that but still all pre-flood. And taking them both as pre-flood also works better with the immediate and greater context.
Z&N F & S & J:
Ken Ammi you are incorrect about what you said to the commenter above. You stated that “We are told [in Genesis] that Nephilim (not “giants”) were on the Earth “in those days” and “also after that”…”
When Genesis Clearly states…
▪Genesis 6:4 (KJV)▪
4 There were GIANTS in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
I know the basis of the conversation was whether or not it meant before or after the Flood though. Which you are right, it’s not clear what “in those days, and after that” means.
As for Giants being present after the Flood, there is Goliath about 10ft, King Og of Bashan 12-15ft, then you have the Giants in the land of Canaan who made Caleb, Joshua and the other spys appear as though they were grasshoppers compared to these Giants. Which is why the Israelites were too afraid to try to take the city(s) which was direct disobedience to God and was the reason they were forced to wander 40 years in the wilderness and every adult would die before seeing the Promised Land besides Caleb & Joshua.
▪Numbers 13:32 & 33 (KJV)▪
32 And they gave the children of Israel a bad report of the land which they had spied out, saying, “The land through which we have gone as spies is a land that devours its inhabitants, all the people whom we saw in it are men of great stature. 33 There we saw the giants [Nephilim] (the descendants of Anak came from the giants); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”
And the whole reason why the Israelites were to kill these tribes, sometimes every man woman and child, is because they were of these Hybrid Nephilim Bloodlines.
Ken Ammi:
Friend, I noted that you are claiming that the text states “giants” only because the one translation you are reading in English has “giants.” Here is the text in various English translations: https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Genesis%2006%3A04
The original Hebrew does not refer to them as giants and does not described them as such: they Nephilim—nĕphiyl נָפִיל to be exact. Gen 6 does not provide a physical description.
So then the problem is that since you are reading the word “giants” into Genesis 6, you think that anyone post-flood who is tall must be a Nephilim or related to Nephilim. But even if there were post-flood Nephilim that still would not mean that any and all tall people are Nephilim or related to them.
There is no indication that Goliath was Nephilim, he was a Repha (who was somewhere between less than 7 ft. to less than 10 ft. depending on Greek vs. Hebrew manuscripts.
You cannot tell me how tall Og was since the Bible does not tell us: you are referring to the size of his bed, not his personal size and, in any case, he was also not Nephilim but Rephaim.
You cannot just change words just to weave a tall tale.
Lastly, the only indication that any tall person post-flood was Nephilim or related to them is Num 13:33 but note what it states, just as you quoted it, “they gave…a bad report of the land” so why would you believe a bad report?
The way the text plays out is that they report good things about the land, its fruit, etc.
They then show some fear due to the strength of the people and cities (recall that these were wilderness dwellers unused to confronting fortified cities).
Caleb chimes in to encourage the people.
Only at this point are we told that they present a bad or evil report and it is only within this bed/evil report that they claim, for the first time (and for the only time in the Bible) that there were post-flood Nephilim, that the Anakim are related to Nephilim and how tall the Nephilim were (and, by the way, if you believe them then you just also figured out how tall God is: see the reference to grasshoppers in Isaiah 40:22).
Moreover, Moses and Caleb both affirm that Anakim were in the land but say nothing about Nephilim and God Himself affirms the Amalekites and Canaanites were in the land but says nothing about Nephilim.
You should not believe disloyal/unfaithful spies who present a bad/evil report for which they were rebuked, you should believe Moses, Caleb and God.
Lastly, that the Israelites killed the tribes has to do with Hybrid Nephilim Bloodlines is not biblical. They did so because God had judge those tribes (and gave them centuries to repent): http://www.truefreethinker.com/articles/was-israelite-intermarriage-forbidden-due-post-flood-nephilim
Becky Watt commented:
Ken Ammi You seem to have forgotten about Goliath and King OG !!!!!
Ken Ammi:
I am not sure what you mean: Goliath and Og are not Nephilim, they are Rephaim. Also, you are assuming that being tall means being Nephilim or related to Nephilim which is something that is not logical nor theo-logical.
Chris Fisher commented:
I don’t understand how there can’t be post-flood Nephilim considering that there are Nephilim currently in the world as we speak. And last I checked this current time was post-flood.
Ken Ammi:
Well, my point is that the Bible knows nothing of post-flood Nephilim. But if “there are Nephilim currently in the world as we speak” then where is that?
Chris Fisher:
Ken Ammi as you have shown yourself too lazy to even begin researching this stuff on your own, why most people are ignorant because they only will ever know what people tell them or show them, look up the story of the giant of Kandahar, read Buffalo Bill Cody’s autobiography where the Pawnee Indians tell him about the Giants so big running across the plains they could scoop up Buffalo and tear off legs and eat as they run. Along with the fact that the Indian palm up hand sign and greeting was very purposeful in the case they wanted to count the fingers on the hand as the Nephilim have six fingers on each hand and not five. Only the part of the greeting where they say how or how white man was made up as a Hollywood invention. I’m not going to waste anymore time embarrassing you. I now expect you to put on big boy pants and go find some of these things on your own. Don’t ever offer your opinion again you [******] garbage heap. Facts are out there and the only thing that is relevant is truth. Your opinion is even less important than your bowel movement.
Ken Ammi:
Friend, are you a Christian? I am going to guess “No” because you are astonishingly filled with hatred, angry, malicious, and foul.
You seem to have confused my asking you to back your own claims with me not wanting to do research. I asked you to provided evidence because my research concluded that there is none.
But if you think that I am too lazy to even begin researching this stuff on my own then please read these articles of mine, just for starters: “Grading the giant human skeleton chart”: http://www.truefreethinker.com/articles/grading-giant-human-skeleton-chart and “Adrienne Mayor “The First Fossil Hunters” – book review”: http://www.truefreethinker.com/articles/adrienne-mayor-%E2%80%9C-first-fossil-hunters%E2%80%9D-book-review and “Giant skeleton reports in old newspapers”: http://www.truefreethinker.com/articles/giant-skeleton-reports-old-newspapers and “Did the Supreme Court prove that the Smithsonian destroyed giant skeletons”: http://www.truefreethinker.com/articles/did-supreme-court-prove-smithsonian-destroyed-giant-skeletons
So you will see that I already looked up and wrote about the supposed “giant of Kandahar.”
It is simply false that “Nephilim have six fingers on each hand” so your story about Indians fails.
Also, we have no indication whatsoever that Nephilim were any taller than average so you cannot simply conclude that when Buffalo Bill Cody or the Pawnee Indians talk about “Giants” then tall means Nephilim—that is a non sequitur.
You claimed “there are Nephilim currently in the world as we speak,” I asked “then where is that?” and you failed.
Chris Fisher:
Ken Ammi by the way, don’t ever correct me on Native American lore. I’ll tell you what my ancestors did and why. No matter if u want to discount someone’s account of face to face conversations. I can understand questioning that. But you don’t get to pretend you read something online and it outweighs centuries of culture and carefully protected history. NOT the progressive lies historians organized after WW2. Untainted, undiluted history not found or taught in your government indoctrination program you called high school. I can’t believe you had the nerve to send links to Doucheseeker. OR was it Douchefinder? Hahahahahaha. As if it matters what the name of disinformation sites are.
Ken Ammi:
Friend, you should be open to be corrected on any point on which you are mistaken. Just because I am Jewish does not mean that I am omniscient when it comes to all things Judaism.
Besides, the only thing I stated that referenced “Native American lore” is “Also, we have no indication whatsoever that Nephilim were any taller than average so you cannot simply conclude that when Buffalo Bill Cody or the Pawnee Indians talk about ‘Giants’ then tall means Nephilim—that is a non sequitur” which is something you ignored.
You see, I did not “discount someone’s account of face to face conversations” but only that whatever they saw, it was not Nephilim.
Now, to what are you referring to when you refer to “Doucheseeker. OR was it Douchefinder? Hahahahahaha” (besides that you are being disgusting)?
Also, you refer to the site as “disinformation” which is a very, very serious slander so: where is your evidence?
And, did you read those articles or are you purposefully refusing to have your views challenged by facts?
Chris Fisher:
Ken Ammi make no mistake, everyone was well aware of your limitations. Practice What You Preach first, then we’ll see how this goes.
Ken Ammi:
Are you a Christian?
Such over the top emotive reactions as not uncommon to post-flood Nephilim believers, by the way, and that ended the discussion as no more replies where forthcoming.
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