The video Ancient Giants, which upon checking before posting this has been removed from YouTube, launched the following discussion as a certain MEJEL- Belonged of Yeshaya Yeshuma commented as follows (and I don’t seem to have record of what my original comment was to which the reply was written
Ken Ammi from this statement alone it seems like you haven’t read alot of scripture. These people had fought entire cities of strong fortified walls and provision many times before. Isrealites are natural born warriors, and we have more than scripture to back that up. And they were indeed rebuked for lack of faith, not for lying.
There are more stories in the Bible about the nation of Isreal fighting giants. It wasn’t a lie, and I’m saying that based on what we do have in scriptural context. Liars are identified as such in scripture, and as I said, if it wasn’t a possibility for a city of giants that size to be anyway then the people would not have believed it. Their words were not rebuked, their lack of faith was.
Ken Ammi the nephilim returned the same way they initially occurred…fallen angels did not have flesh bodies like everything that died in the flood. They came back onto human women just like they did before the flood..it’s not that hard to make sense of this when you read with contextual understanding.
Again, it’s very telling to those of us who take the time to read when someone who does not know scripture as much as they know “here-say” speak..please, read the Bible for yourself instead of gathering information about it from your favorite sources. The things that don’t make sense to you now will once you read the source material FOR YOURSELF.
I, Ken Ammi, replied
Since you jump from the vague, subjective, generic, and multi-usage English word “giants” to the specific Hebrew word “Nephilim” then it’s hard to follow what you mean.
Num 13 represents a unique situation whereby they’d have to confront multiple people groups.
The ten don’t have to be rebuked lying for us to know they were lying: they made five assertions about which the whole entire rest of the Bible knows nothing at all, no one single other verse back their assertions. They contradict Moses, Caleb, Joshua, God, and the rest of the Bible which is with whom I’ll side.
You say “There are more stories in the Bible about the nation of Isreal fighting giants” but please check the Hebrew behind the word you’re reading in English as “giants”: it’s not “Nephilim,” it’s “Rephaim”—please don’t chase an English word around a Hebrew Bible.
Thus, you say “It wasn’t a lie” based on confusion due to thinking that “giants” only refers to one thing, one people groups, all of the time but that’s simply not the case.
It seems that people believed it since they were being told about a place they’d never seen before.
You say “nephilim returned the same way they initially occurred” but there’s not one single verse to which you can appeal for that.
You say “fallen angels did not have flesh bodies” but there’s not one single verse to which you can appeal for that.
You say “They came back onto human women just like they did before the flood” but there’s not one single verse to which you can appeal for that.
When you say I “haven’t read alot of scripture” and am “someone who does not know scripture” and have not “read the Bible for yourself” and haven’t “read the source material” your judgment is so very, very unrighteous that it breaks my heart and I pray you’ll repent.
MEJEL- Belonged of Yeshaya Yeshuma
Ken Ammi “as in the days of noah” tells us that “what has been before will be again”..both quotes from scripture that explain why the world will fall into the same genetically modified fallen state. Yikes, showing off how much you DON’T know the book again… And maybe it was implied that “giants” only referred to one thing, so let me clarify.. TITANS, NEPHILIM, RAPHIEM, AND SO CALLED GIANTS OF THE LIKE, were all foes the nation had either faced or had familiarity with. You have already proven by your arguments that you don’t know the whole Bible, so I won’t hold it against you that you didn’t know this.
So just so we’re clear, the Bible DOES corroborate the fact that races of hybrid humans (I’m specifying that so you don’t get confused by words like “nephilim” or “giant”..) that were on the earth in Noah’s time will come back again by the generation that will see the second coming of Christ..which means they came back after the flood. If it’s not specified that they came back in a different way than the first time, and it’s also mentioned that what happened before will happen again, then we know that how it happened the first time is how it happened the second time.
In terms of them contradicting Moses and the Bible, that is an outright adultering of truth. They contradicted Joshua and Caleb’s belief that they could DEFEAT the sons of Anak (titans and/or giants). There was NEVER any argument to suggest their initial claim was a lie BECAUSE IT WASN’T. They eventually fought them! You want to hold on to the belief that they lied so badly that you’re trying to make scripture bend to your belief instead of basing your belief in the scripture itself. This tends to happen when we know more doctrine than we do scripture.
As I said before, read it for yourself before adhering to any theories you might have heard a lecture on..This is a BOOK, not a reference guide. You must read the whole thing before tagging along to any theory that strokes your fancy and then trying to find heresay notes and tidbits to back up your claim. Read the whole book.
Ken Ammi I don’t want to tear down the other arguments you made in this comment because I don’t intend to victimize you..so please do not try to feign knowing scripture when it’s gossip you seem to know more about than the actually written word. If you truly are confused about the claims I made that you argue against, just know that each one has scriptures to back it up, not theories that I like.
I’ll be happy to share IF you are still confused. Once you read for yourself, people who have not read the book look silly trying to compare what they think they know to what you actually know. I say this with good intention because if you truly want to base your beliefs on scripture, then it will change your life to read ALL of it. Then you too will be able to tell when someone is having a go at you rather than discussing the actual book.
Ken Ammi
Friend, you merely uncontextually mashed two verse together. I hope you realize that you argue anything by doing that, anything at all.
I’m unsure why you got so worldly, you claim you “say this with good intention” but you’re being a jerk so just drop the personal attacks and please focus on the issues, for example, when you say “TITANS, NEPHILIM, RAPHIEM, AND SO CALLED GIANTS OF THE LIKE, were all foes the nation had either faced” is clearly false but then you say “or had familiarity with” which is a whole other issues since, for example, you have familiarity with Nephilim but have never seem them (right?).
Going vague doesn’t help the discussion but actually hinders it since my points were about Nephilim and “giants” not some generic, “hybrid humans.” Yet, Nephilim aren’t just hybrids but hybrids created in a very specific way and we’ve no indication whatsoever that “they,” the actual Nephilim, “will happen again.”
“In terms of them contradicting Moses and the Bible” and Joshua, and Caleb, and God well, they all affirm, for example, Anakim in the land but never say a single word about Nephilim in the land nor anyone related to them in the land.
The “sons of Anak (titans and/or giants)” is an incoherent term.
When you say “They eventually fought them!” to whom are you referring by “them”?
I’m not in the least bit concerned about being victimized: if you can argue biblically, preferably via quotes and citations, then please do so.
Well, that ended the discussion.
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