Due to a video titled Steve Quayle:The Truth About Nephilim Giants, the following discussion took place.
A certain J Paul noted
The “sons of God ” in Genesis 6: 1- 4 are the fallen angels and fallen gods (that God had created on the very same day that HE created the Heaven and the Earth on Day 1).
Psalm 82:1, 6-7 > God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; HE judgeth among the gods…. I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
Matthew 24:37-38 > But as the days of Noe (Noah) were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
The reference to “eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage” in above verses is not necessarily about mankind going about their daily routines but about the activities of (i) the fallen sons of God who took in marriage the daughters of men and (ii) and genetically corrupted all flesh – man, beasts etc (iii) their offspring who indulged in eating human flesh and drinking human blood until they were all wiped out in the universal flood in the days of Noah
Historic realities :
Despotic totalitarian regimes throughout history have also destroyed people and cultures, and human civilisations.
God has destroyed cities after the time of the universal flood e.g. (Sodom & Gomorah).
God’s covenant and promise after the universal flood in the days of Noah, is that (i) there will no more be a universal flood or (ii) a flood that will destroy all flesh and HE has kept HIS promise (iii) this earth and all the works thereon will end with a fire.
Scripture is clear that God will not allow transhumanism or hybrids or chimera like creatures to prosper and negate HIS plan and purpose for mankind and besides HE has appointed the time within which HE will accomplish HIS purpose.
Genesis 9:9 – 13 > And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you (Noah), and with your seed after you; And with every living creature that is with you, of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast of the earth with you; from all that go out of the ark, to every beast of the earth. And I will establish my covenant with you, “neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood”; “neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth”. And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:
I do set my bow (rainbow) in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between Me and the earth.
Read after the flood in the days of Noah – Nimrod and his attempt to build to reach heavens
Genesis 10:8 -10 > And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth. He … And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.
Genesis 11:4, 8 -9 > And they said, Go to, “let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven”; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth… So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off (gave up) to build the city. Therefore is the name of it called Babel; …
Is it reasonable to think that the dispersed from Babel might have attempted again to build structures to try & reach heaven.
It should therefore not be hard to use the logic of reason to conclude that whenever mankind is corrupted by the seed of fallen angels and/or fallen gods, God will destroy locally (not universally) through floods and consequent mud floods the hybrids that are not the “humankind” as HE will also do once and for all in the future at the end of Time.
Shalom
I, Ken Ammi, replied
In that case, He must have created the Angels (how are “‘sons of God’…fallen angels AND fallen gods?) just before the Earth since they witnessed its creation (Job 38:7).
Matthew 24:37-38 isn’t about “the activities of (i) the fallen sons of God” since in the parallel passage in Luke 17 Jesus says the same thing about the days of Lot so that it was about mankind.
What makes you think Angels, “genetically corrupted all flesh – man, beasts”? Is it due to Gen 6:11 stating, “the earth was corrupt…all flesh had corrupted their way”?
What make you think Nephilim “indulged in eating human flesh and drinking human blood”?
Or were you just summing up part of what the Bible says with part of folklore from millennia after the Torah was written?
There’s no indication that Nimrod had anything to do with the Tower.
No worries about “whenever mankind is corrupted by the seed of fallen angels and/or fallen gods” since the only Angles who did so were incarcerated (Jude and 2 Peter 2).
Shalom
J Paul
Ken Ammi – of course HE created the angels and the gods when HE created Heaven as revealed in Genesis 1: 31 to Genesis 2:2 > And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Note – the host of them refers to stars, angels, gods. e.g. Genesis 32 : 1 >
And Jacob went on his way, and the angels of God met him. And when Jacob saw them, he said, This is God’s host: …
e.g. Deuteronomy 4:19 >
And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest “the sun, and the moon, and the stars”, even all “the host of heaven”, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, …
e.g. Deuteronomy 17:3 > And hath gone and served “other gods”, and worshipped them, either “the sun, or moon, or any of the host” of heaven, which I have not commanded;
HE finished all creation at the end of the 6th day. HE knew what fallen angels and fallen gods that HE created would do and cause Man to sin and therefore the verse in Revelation 13:8 > And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of “the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world”
Note : there are two ways to interpret that (1) the Lamb was slain in concept according to God’s wisdom for redeeming Believers. OR (2) since God is outside of time and space, everything is happening as part of one long day in HIS perspective. For God who is covered in light (Psalm 104:1-2 > Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty. Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: … ) there can be no nights just one continous day.
There is another verse that explains how God views things – once HIS Word is pronounced it’s done and will not return to HIM unfulfilled as declared in Isaiah 55:11 > So shall MY word be that goeth forth out of MY mouth: it shall not return unto ME void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Ken Ammi
Indeed, we agree that he created Angels before the Earth.
I had asked “how are ‘sons of God,’” both, “fallen angels and [also] fallen gods?” and who are the “gods”? It seems that the “gods” are the fallen Angels aka demons.
These are the left-over issues:
What makes you think Angels, “genetically corrupted all flesh – man, beasts”? Is it due to Gen 6:11 stating, “the earth was corrupt…all flesh had corrupted their way”?
What make you think Nephilim “indulged in eating human flesh and drinking human blood”?
Or were you just summing up part of what the Bible says with part of folklore from millennia after the Torah was written?
There’s no indication that Nimrod had anything to do with the Tower.
No worries about “whenever mankind is corrupted by the seed of fallen angels and/or fallen gods” since the only Angles who did so were incarcerated (Jude and 2 Peter 2).
Shalom!
Ken Ammi
Again, “Indeed, we agree that he created Angels before the Earth.”
Again, “I had asked ‘how are ‘sons of God,’’ both, ‘fallen angels and [also] fallen gods?’ and who are the ‘gods’? It seems that the ‘gods’ are the fallen Angels aka demons.”
Now you say, “angels and the gods…angels, gods…fallen angels and fallen gods…”
J Paul
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. The sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, also after the flood and thus were born Nephilim again.
Ken Ammi
It’s a little hard to follow what you mean since you jumped from the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage, and undefined English word “giants” the specific Hebrew word “Nephilim.”
Please don’t chase an English word around a Hebrew Bible.
See when you quoted Gen 6:4 “giants” was rendering (not even translating) “Nephilim” but when you refer to “Nephilim again” post-flood you’re exclusively relying on one single verse in an “evil report” no one should believe.
Other references to “giants” post-flood are to “Rephaim” not to “Nephilim.”
Now, you say “also after that” refers to the flood but why is it that they very text you quoted doesn’t refer to the flood (in fact, it’s not even mentioned for the very first time until a full 13 vss. later).
So, when you say “also after the flood and thus were born Nephilim again” there’s no reliable indication of that and you also imply that God failed.
And that ended the discussion.
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