The discussion herein took place due to the Quora site question Since the Bible says that humanity was destroyed by a flood, are we technically biblical humans?
David Johnson replied
No, the Bible it technically fiction.
I, Ken Ammi, replied
How so?
Kyle Huxtable chimed in with
The flood didn’t happen as described by the Bible.
Ken Ammi
How did it happen?
Nicholas Peterman chimed in with
It was local, if it happened at all. And there was no ark.
Ken Ammi
Most interesting: where’s your proof of that?
Al Taylor chimes in with
Where’s your proof of a global flood? The person who makes the extraordinary claim (Bible believers) must provide the extrordinary evidence to support that claim.
Ken Ammi
That’s an incoherent pseudo-standard. The question was, “where’s your proof of that?”
Dead Weight chimed in with
The Burden of proof is on you if you believe there was an ark or a global flood. Trying to prove something Made Up and doesn’t exist or happened is fallacious
Ken Ammi
So, three people chimed in with merely asserted positive affirmations they can’t prove and rather then having the integrity to call them out on it you seek to move the goalpost to that the burden of proof is on me?
Well, you imply that the burden of proof is on the person making the positive affirmation—which is what I’ve been implying.
You end by making a positive affirmation, “something Made Up and doesn’t exist or happened” so you must prove it, right?
Also, you say “is fallacious” but how, on your world-view, do you imply condemning logical fallacies?
Dead Weight
Your obviously so lost in your nonsensical religious Make-believe you fail to see your own inability to support your claim. Religion made the claim God exist . Atheists want proof for the claim to be considered true. Still with me? Because it might get complicated ok? theist shift the burden of proof for something they made up because they don’t know the unfalsifiability fallacy. Disprove I didn’t have a thought of a turtle just now. You can’t. And yes I referred to it as made up because you have yet to provide proof for the claim that God exists so therefore its made up.
Ken Ammi
If I grant that you’re right: how is that even an issue, on your worldview according to which there’s nothing wrong with an accidentally existing ape believing such things—and, in fact, which may claim that it’s a Darwinian survival mechanism for an accidentally existing ape to believe such things.
I asked you, “So, three people chimed in with merely asserted positive affirmations they can’t prove and rather then [than] having the integrity to call them out on it you seek to move the goalpost to that the burden of proof is on me?”
You ignored that.
I noted, “Well, you imply that the burden of proof is on the person making the positive affirmation—which is what I’ve been implying.”
You ignored that.
I asked, “You end by making a positive affirmation, ‘something Made Up and doesn’t exist or happened’ so you must prove it, right?”
You ignored that
I asked, “Also, you say ‘is fallacious’ but how, on your world-view, do you imply condemning logical fallacies?”
You ignored that.
If you truly have attained the one truth: how come you can’t deal with simple issues raised by an accidentally existing ape?
See, you say “Your obviously so lost in your nonsensical religious Make-believe you fail to see your own inability to support your claim” but as a mere jump to an asserted conclusion and without bothering to say what’s wrong with that, on your worldview.
You say “Religion made the claim God exist” but as a mere jump to an asserted conclusion and without bothering to say what’s wrong with that, on your worldview.
You say “Atheists want proof for the claim to be considered true” but the first step is for Atheists to justify their demand for proof (not evidence?)
You say “theist shift the burden of proof” but as a mere jump to an asserted conclusion and without bothering to say what’s wrong with that, on your worldview.
You say “something they made up” but as a mere jump to an asserted conclusion and without bothering to say what’s wrong with that, on your worldview.
You say “because they don’t know the unfalsifiability fallacy” but as a mere jump to an asserted conclusion and without bothering to say what’s wrong with that, on your worldview.
You say “you have yet to provide proof for the claim that God exists so therefore its made up” but as a mere jump to an asserted conclusion and without bothering to say what’s wrong with that, on your worldview.
Dead Weight
You are so lost right now? How do you not see your own ignorance?
I asked you, “So, three people chimed in with merely asserted positive affirmations they can’t prove and rather then [than] having the integrity to call them out on it you seek to move the goalpost to that the burden of proof is on me?”
It’s not a positive assertion your literally just using words that you think will make you sound like you have any idea what your talking about. It is a refuting statement because with no proof that the Bible holds any truth means We can disregard the bibles validity with the same concept of no evidence to prove it.
I asked, “You end by making a positive affirmation, ‘something Made Up and doesn’t exist or happened’ so you must prove it, right?”
No I don’t because trying to find physical evidence for Somthing that isn’t proven to be real is a logical fallacy. It’s really that simple are you a child? It’s truly a simple concept that I did answer in my last comment. And again I didn’t make a “Positive Affermation” I disregarded a claim made without evidence so we can disregard that claim without evidence to.
I asked, “Also, you say ‘is fallacious’ but how, on your world-view, do you imply condemning logical fallacies?”
This doesn’t even make sense so now I know you have no idea what your talking about. I can disregard logical fallacies because I have common sense to know that a fallacy is false argument narrative. My God did you graduate high school?
If you truly have attained the one truth: how come you can’t deal with simple issues raised by an accidentally existing ape?
Literally no one said anything about a One truth that’s just something you made up inside your head there is no one truth? To what? You haven’t made a single point of anything yet that’s what we’re waiting on for you to make a point but I don’t believe you ever had 1.
See, you say “Your obviously so lost in your nonsensical religious Make-believe you fail to see your own inability to support your claim” but as a mere jump to an asserted conclusion and without bothering to say what’s wrong with that, on your worldview
I didnt jump to any conclusion I made an informed Observation, are you serious? It’s like trying to argue with a 7yr old. I dont need to say what’s wrong with that because most of us have common sense somthing clearly you’ve never heard before.
You say “because they don’t know the unfalsifiability fallacy” but as a mere jump to an asserted conclusion and without bothering to say what’s wrong with that, on your worldview.
Your Joking right this idiocy doesn’t even deserve a response.
I Would go on but I feel like I lost braincells your obviously Delusional and lack common rational thought
Ken Ammi
Seems that Dead Weight (/profile/Dead-Weight-8) is trying to run away by not allowing replies to comments so, I will post it here:
What, on your worldview, is wrong with an accidentally existing ape being (supposedly) ignorant? See since you merely constantly jump to merely asserted conclusions you seem to give away that you realize you’ve no premise for your subjective opinions. I mean, you’re great at being a jerk—that’s been well established—but are you able to actually apply your worldview’s implications to your assertions (although, I realize that would be consistent but being consistent isn’t a universal imperative on Atheism)?
You seem to be projecting since, for example, “The flood didn’t happen as described by the Bible” and “something Made Up and doesn’t exist or happened” are, by definition, positive affirmations: they’re claims to possess positive knowledge.
As for “proof that the Bible holds any truth means…no evidence to prove it,” step one is for you to justify your demand for evidence and proof and then get around why, on your worldview, ascertaining accidental truth is even an issue.
You say “trying to find physical evidence for Somthing that isn’t proven to be real is a logical fallacy” yet, you appeal to a logical fallacy without establishing how not committing such is a universal imperative, on your worldview. But if you want to run away from your positive affirmation by asserting, “trying to find physical evidence for Somthing that isn’t proven to be real is a logical fallacy” then the lesson is that you shouldn’t make positive affirmations about things you can prove.
And this is not about you implying that your (supposed) common sense is a standard and this is not about “to know that a fallacy is false argument narrative” but is about why, on your worldview, adhering to logic (which is accidental, on your worldview) is an issues in the first place: why do you imply it’s some sort of universal imperative?
Sorry, I assumed you were implying you know the truth—the “One truth”—about reality but I can agree with you that you don’t (and knowing the truth about accidental reality is not a universal imperative on your worldview anyhow so it matters not).
This is rather odd, I observed “without bothering to say what’s wrong with that, on your worldview” and you complain but then you agree, “I dont need to say what’s wrong with that.”
But then, just (again) appealing to your (supposed) “common sense” fails since that’s not a standard.
Seems like you’re witnessing your worldview’s utter fundamental level failure since I’m binging up meta issues—such as “without bothering to say what’s wrong with that, on your worldview”—and you just ran away with “Your Joking right this idiocy doesn’t even deserve a response…lost braincells your obviously Delusional and lack common rational thought” without, guess what, telling me what’s wrong with any of that on your worldview.
I realize that it’s more convenient and easier to just be a jerk but have you ever actually thought about your worldview’s implications?
Well, that was the end of that.
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