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Pedophilia

Merry Christmas from Hollywood was the message, I suppose, when a new comedy titled “The Mick” premiered on December 25, 2016 AD. Vulnerable children, drugs, sex, booze, spiking someone’s drink with drugs and hints at pedophilia—its all in The Mick.
The show as created by brothers Dave and John Chernin who also do some of the script writing which is also done by Scott Marder. The show stars Kaitlin Olson, Sofia Black-D’Elia, Thomas Barbusca, Carla Jimenez, Rodney J. Hobbs, Jack Stanton, et al.

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Aliens and UFOs

The University of Cambridge published an article titled “‘Map Of Life’ predicts ET. (So where is he?),” Science Daily,, July 2, 2015 AD.
Firstly, I will play the PC pop-culture role and go on the attack as, like, they asked “where is he” and that’s, like, triggering-misogynistic-anti woman-intolerant-undiverse-sexist-hate speech and they should be forced to retract and rewrite it as “where is “he and/or she” or, for that matter, “she” first followed by “and/or he” and stuff.

movies

The 2013 AD movie “Torment” was directed by Jordan Barker and stars Katharine Isabelle as Sarah Morgan, Robin Dunne as Cory Morgan, Peter DaCunha as Liam Morgan, Stephen McHattie as Officer Hawkings, et al.

The video features key clips which show that the whole point of a movie about a family being tortuously and murderously terrified is to get them to change at a fundamental level, to suffer trauma so as to transform. It is an application of the concept of mystical alchemy.

Find my Alchemical Hollywood related posts here:
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Michael Howard on Enoch & the Watchers: The Real Story of Angels & Demon

Under consideration is Michael Howard’s article Enoch & the Watchers: The Real Story of Angels & Demons which was published in New Dawn Magazine—with which we first encountered as per my Review of Uri Dowbenko’s New Dawn Magazine article “New (Reptilian) World Order”

One issue with the article I will note upfront is pretty common to such pop-research and that is lack of specific references. For example, Howard refers to “LUCIFERIAN legend and tradition” to “Jewish tradition” to “modern theosophical occultism,” etc. and yet actually cites very little info which makes it hard to double check claims, follow up, etc.
Now, I first ran across this article on Stevie Stephens’ nevnephilim website and when I tracked down the original I noticed that Stephen had all caps certain terms and also added some comments at the ends. Thus, I will leave Stephens’ emphatic formatting as is.

Michael Howard began by referring to a 2002 AD British Sunday Telegraph article which reported that “the Vatican has banned the veneration of those FALLEN ANGELS who do not appear in the AUTHORISED texts of the Bible” which is good news for Bible believers and yet, we are told, “prayers are only to be directed to the three archangels Michael, Gabriel and Raphael who are mentioned in the Bible” the problem of which is that Michael and Gabriel are mentioned in the Bible but Raphael is not. Also, Michael is specified as being an Archangel but Gabriel is not (Jude 1): in fact, Michael is the only one referred to as such—whether this means that he is the only one or simply that there are others who are not named, etc.

Howard refers to “the apocryphal and banned BOOK OF ENOCH” and adds that “Enoch is accredited as having written THREE APOCRYPHAL books in Jewish tradition” (although one of those claims that Enoch wrote 300 books see here). Now, he also states, “The early Church had excluded the book…because it described these fallen angels and their activities (why was it omitted)?” This is rather odd since he tells us that it was “banned…excluded…because” of the fallen Angels issue but after telling us why, he asks, “why was it omitted.” Now, as to why it was banned / excluded he provides no quotations or citations but merely offers an assertion.

Whatever is being referred to by “Traditionally” we are told that “the Ben Eloha or ‘sons of God’ numbered several hundred and they descended to Earth on Mount Harmon” (Hermon) which is the touchdown location as per 1 Enoch aka Ethiopic Enoch which further specifies that it was two hundred which fell.
We are told that they are also variously known as “the WATCHERS, the Grigori and the Irin.” Also, “In Jewish mythology the Grigori…resembled human beings” which they would since Angles look just like human males—no wings, no halos. And “that Watchers…incarnate themselves in human bodies” which they would not need to do as they are already incarnated within their own physical human-male-like bodies.

A further definition is offered as that “the NEPHILIM…were the GIANT RACE that once inhabited the earth…The flood was to annihilate this Satanic race, but the Bible goes on to say that there were more Nephilim AFTER THIS DESTRUCTION (Gen 6:4).”
Many do categorize the Nephilim as something to the likes of a “giant race” which is due to the term Nephilim (along with a few other Hebrew terms) is often translated as “giant.” Yet, giant only and solely means taller than average: and Hebrew males of those days were 5.5 ft.

As to “more Nephilim after” the flood: this is an assertion even with the citation to Genesis in place. The text does not states pre-flood and post-flood but “in those days, and also after that” which is being taken to mean pre-flood and post-flood. Yet, one can just as easily, and more in keeping with immediate as well as greater context, to take is to mean “in those days” with a timeline beginning point which verse 1 has as “when men began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born unto them” which could be as early as when Adam and Eve’s offspring first started having offspring, and “also after that” being just that: after that beginning point and yet, still pre-flood.

Many begin with a post-flood Nephilim assertion and go on from there to claim that anyone mentioned in the Bible thereafter who is “tall” or “very tall” or a “giant” must have Nephilim DNA. Thus, Michael Howard refers to how Satan “somehow mingled his seed again with the seed of the human race.”

Michael Howard then refers to “the half-human, half-angelic ‘first murderer’ Cain” but does so without quotations or citations for support since, of course, none are to be had which is why he merely asserts it.

Howard also refers to Nephilim as “a monstrous race of warlike, blood-drinking cannibalistic giants…At first they were fed manna by Yahweh to stop them consuming human flesh, but they rejected it. They slaughtered animals for food instead and then began to hunt down and eat human prey.”
Warlike may be a reasonable assumption but it is just that (at least within the pre-flood context—within the post-flood context, see below, it is a non-issue). The blood-drinking cannibalistic claim comes from the Enoch text and is also not biblical.

He also asserts, “Additional references also hint at experiments that led to the creation of ‘monsters’ by the interbreeding of animals with different and unrelated species” which, of course, goes into the issue of what is a species which I will not tackle here. Yet, if you are interested about the interbred monsters issue, see Did the Watcher fallen angels genetically manipulate humans & animals?

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A less than helpful illustration from the article

Michael Howard notes, “The Kurds claim to be the descendants of the ‘Children of the Djinn’ (spirits), the offspring of a mating between the djinns and mortal women.” Commonalities in the world’s myths and legends seem to be due to the dispersal of humanity into tribes, clans, nations, etc. after the Tower of Babel event after which they would have taken shared history with them which eventually change on this or that point and came to be called myths and legends.

He tells us that “these ‘mighty warriors’ have a special place reserved for them in Sheol, the Jewish underworld. There they are said to lie in state ‘with shield and spear intact.’” No citation is provided but this is interesting. Now, there is no such concept within the Bible as any sort of return of the Nephilim however, there is a return of the sons of God (by any other name). Tying together Jude and Peter’s statements on Angels that sinned, they were incarcerated in the Abyss/Tartarus and/or, as Revelation 9 puts it, the Bottomless Pit from which they will be released. Revelation describes them in highly symbolic terms which actually fits very well with the general ideas that they were incarcerated “with shield and spear intact” even if all that means is something to the likes of at the ready to wreak havoc.

After referring to the Book of Enoch lists which fallen Angel taught what forbidden arts (from metallurgy to occult rituals), Howard writes, “It is obvious from these descriptions of the teaching abilities of the WATCHERS that they were cultural exemplars and the bringers of civilisation to the early human race. However, in orthodox Judeo-Christian religious texts they are misrepresented as evil corrupters of humanity. Perhaps they started off with good intentions, but had their minds diverted by the sexual beauty and chemistry of human women?”
Firstly, keep in mind that that is apocryphal and not Biblical—although, you know, they did not have TV back then so fallen Angels surely taught their wives, et al., various things. This is much like the Prometheus tale(s) according to which Prometheus was condemned due to giving humanity fire (and other tech) against Zeus’ will.

Howard notes, “In the Luciferian tradition, the biblical serpent is regarded as the personification of knowledge, wisdom and enlightenment who liberated the first humans from the spiritual ignorance imposed on them by Yahweh.” Indeed, such concepts, perhaps best succinctly encapsulated by so called Christian Gnosticism (a contradiction in terms), are the bread and butter of just about every mystery-religion-secret-society-magickal-witchcraft-occult-cult. In essence, they follow Satan’s lead in a copy but corrupt manner whereby everything God does is copied but done backwards, upside down, inside out and in reverse—for details see They hate Christianity, but why?

On the “Luciferian tradition” view that Adam and Eve “ate from the Tree of Life” is that which “initiated the cycle of birth, life, death and rebirth and of human souls incarnating in physical form” and eating from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil brought them true wisdom: enlightenment, see John Lennox pwns Atheist’s satanic doctrine.

Howard refers to Lucifer as “the first-born of creation” which his certainly odd and no citation is offered. This is part of the problem with referencing “LUCIFERIAN legend and tradition” to “Jewish tradition” to “modern theosophical occultism,” etc. since one can pull this and that from here and there and tie loose ends with assertions.

We leave off in the manner in which Stevie Stephens ended his post which is (all caps his), “THE BIBLE WARNS THAT ALTHOUGH THE NEPHILIM WERE DESTROYED BY THE FLOOD IN NOAH’S TIME, THERE WAS A FURTHER IRRUPTION OF THEM AFTERWARDS (see Gen 6 again) RESULTING IN MORE GIANTS AND SATANIC BEINGS ON EARTH!” This is an assertion and is an erroneous one.

He also wrote, “WE ARE ALSO TO EXPECT THIS TYPE OF DEVILISH ACTIVITY IN THESE LAST DAYS, ‘FOR AS IT WAS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH…..AND LOT…..SO SHALL IT BE WHEN THE SON OF MAN RETURNS TO EARTH’” This is an assertion and is an erroneous one as that text merely refers to going about ones business unaware or unconcerned about the coming judgment, see The eschaton and the Nephilim – as in the days of Noah.

He then write, “THE NEPHILIM ARE BACK AND ARE WITH US AGAIN!…YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!” yet, they are not nor will they be.

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Update: Sioux Falls Free Thinkers’ Dale Hemming on what “evolution” means

In Dale Hemming’s Atheist Sioux Falls billboards: young Earth, Inquisition & evolution I noted that Dale Hemming, founder of the anti-Christian support group Sioux Falls Free Thinkers, claimed to have spent (read as “wasted”) $4,500 per month on a billboard “trying to educate people on what he calls the truth” a “truth” for which his worldview cannot account and “He refers to people as witch doctors if they educate against evolution” so his level of maturity is clearly on display. And this is a follow up since I had also noted that he employs the term “evolution” without a definition.

Thus, I wrote to him asking, “I was curious about your billboard which features ‘Worship The Skull’ (I LOVE it!!!): what definition of ‘evolution’ do you have in mind?” Here is the ad and I did get a kick out of the Worship The Skull bit—as misguided as it is:

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He was kind enough to reply:

Evolution is: 1. The process by which different kinds of living organisms are thought to have developed and diversified from earlier forms during the history of the earth. 2. The gradual development of something, especially from a simple to a more complex form. “the forms of written languages undergo constant evolution”

3. I also consider earth’s constant change over geological time as part of earth’s continual evolution.

The first definition is the contextually relevant one so I followed up on that one, see below.
The second shows how lose the term can become when not defined since, for example, the forms of written languages undergo constant re-design or fine tuning which some term evolution. The third is interesting as is a perfect fit for those who believe in climate change but are skeptical that it is anthropogenic.

He further noted:

My thinking behind the “Witch Doctor” billboard is explained below.
Creationists, Revisionists, Fundamentalists, and Evangelists preach “There Is No Evolution” and the “Earth Is Only 6,000 Years Old.” During the middle ages believing otherwise could get you burnt alive at the stake.

I would certainly like to see even one citation for this very specific claim.

He further noted:

The truth is that Evolution Is A Fact and the Earth Is Not 6,000 Years Old. Just like science proved that the Earth Circles The Sun and that the Earth was not the center of the Universe, in spite of religious teachings otherwise then, we all now accept as facts that the Earth Circles The Sun and that the Earth is not the center of the Universe. We now need to accept Evolution and The Real Age of the Earth as FACTS. Science has proven that Evolution Is A Fact and the Earth Is 4,000,000,000 Years Old! Religious leaders today preaching otherwise are no different than ancient Witch Doctors who used their power over their followers to control their very thinking. Facts and truth were not important. What was important was the power to make their followers believe as the Witch Doctors wanted them to believe. Creationists, Revisionists, Fundamentalists, and Evangelists preachers are the same as the ancient witch doctors in my mind. And they would burn people at the stake again for “disbelief” if our laws would allow it.

I hope that clarifies what I am trying to say.

Well, these are merely a list of one-liner talking points and the fact that he is writing them against “religious teachings” shows that he is being generic enough to make his arguments virtually meaningless. I stated this because “religious teachings” covers every single religion the world has ever known and that is quite the broom with which to paint.

He also wrote, “FYI: There are 917 hate groups in the United States according to the Southern Poverty Law Center. Over 700 of those hate groups are Christian based. There are a lot of good Christians, but also some really bad ones.” I am unsure what this has to do with anything—except that as noted Atheism as a whole is an anti-Christian support group—nor why the Southern Poverty Law Center is any sort of authority. Yet, this too is illogical and fallacious since a merely statistical analysis results in the conclusion that in a Christian majority country there will inevitably be a Christian majority in virtually any category just like in an Atheist majority country there will inevitably be an Atheist majority in virtually any category.

Moreover, he does not define “hate group” nor “Christian” for that matter: for example, some claim that the KKK is a Christian group which is like stating that vegans are carnivores.

Back to the issue, I replied:

Thank you for elucidating, friend.
I wonder which (as is who) Creationist, Revisionist, Fundamentalist or Evangelist disagrees that “different kinds of living organisms are thought to have developed and diversified from earlier forms during the history of the earth.”

Dale Hemming replied

They are on the Internet. I do not have specific names. Also various “believers” in Sioux Falls have challenged Evolution is Real and the True Age of the Earth.

Here is my reply:

Thank you for the follow-up.
I performed test to help you out. I wrote to Creation Ministries International which are young Eathers and I was told by Don Batten, B.Sc.Agr. (Hons 1), Ph.D., “creationist biologists believe that diverse varieties of organisms have descended from common ancestors” so that they agree with your most contextual definition which was your first one.

I had simply asked Batten, “would you agree or disagree that it is a fact that ‘different kinds of living organisms are thought to have developed and diversified from earlier forms during the history of the earth’?”

You see, Dale Hemming simply knows not of what he speaks in this case. Firstly, I found it fascinating, odd and rare that he referred to “different kinds of living organisms” rather than the more common term “species” (another term that requires definition). Kind is the term that creationists would use (based on Genesis 6) and, as evidenced, would certain agree that they “developed and diversified from earlier forms during the history of the earth.” The difference is that these kinds are major categories within which diversity developed (which some term “micro-evolution”) but do not transform into other kinds (which some term “macro-evolution”). The concept is that the originally created kinds consisted of enough genetic programming to allow for future diversification: so that some sort of canine could become wolves as well as common dogs of all shapes and sizes but not become felines, for example.

Dale Hemming’s view, the view of contention, is that evolution is “The process” which began when nothing caused nothing to explode for no reason and made everything without meaning—and on it goes. That they “developed and diversified” implies increased in information from allegedly simpler earlier forms which is scientifically unknown.

I could go on and on but the point is that Dale Hemming has very successfully argued against a claim that has not been made in the first place. He threw money away in a bankrupt attempt to demonstrate just how clever he is and did so again a generic “They” who “are on the Internet” somewhere abouts for whom he does “not have specific names.” It seems that he needs to break out of his Atheist circles and actually interact with people who could have told him such things ahead of his launching the sinking ship of his billboard.

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Satanism

Having spent much of my late teens and early twenties amongst the alternative crowd—you know, the true rebels, the outcasts, the individualists, etc.—I can tell you this much: they all end up looking the same, active the same, speaking the same, same music, same style, same tattoos, same piercings, etc., etc., etc. In fact, the fact that I made it through those years without getting pierced or tattooed makes me the oddball.

Such is the case with the allegedly alternative, rebellious, outcasts, individualists, in the Church of Satan and those who think that the Church is pretty cool.